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Release Balkman and Carter or Brewer (though I could easily see a case for keeping either of them).
Balkman is on the cap for a couple more years at $1.6M, you can probably move him later on if you send cash along with him, so it's dumb to cut him and lock his cap number in. Brewer is probably the 9th man right now, I'd say Carter and Mason and Rautins are all disposable.
 

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Wow, I did not see that coming. ABUSIVE block by Amare on LeBron at the end, and that deep three by Billups was huge. Mr. Big Shot is in blue and orange now, loving that.
 

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I blame D'Antoni for that. For whatever reason, it didn't seem like he wanted to give Brewer minutes even though NY insisted he be included in the trade, so presumably Walsh did Brewer a favor (he has the same agent as Amare) and released him.
 

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I blame D'Antoni for that. For whatever reason, it didn't seem like he wanted to give Brewer minutes even though NY insisted he be included in the trade, so presumably Walsh did Brewer a favor (he has the same agent as Amare) and released him.
Well there were rumors that after they acquired him they were trying to trade him (celtics being the team getting him) but the C's couldn't find a spot for Nate Robinson because the Knicks clearly were not taking him back. At least that was the rumor. Maybe they had a deal pretrade and it fell through once he was on their payroll? I wish they would have kept him around though because he plays defense.
 

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I blame D'Antoni for that. For whatever reason, it didn't seem like he wanted to give Brewer minutes even though NY insisted he be included in the trade, so presumably Walsh did Brewer a favor (he has the same agent as Amare) and released him.

Well, I think the reason is that D'Antoni's system values offensive prowess a lot more than defensive.
 

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Well, I think the reason is that D'Antoni's system values offensive prowess a lot more than defensive.
That is true normally, but since the trade, he played Balkman a few games, he played Anthony Carter 20 minutes aginast Miami solely to defend Wade, and they just picked up Jeffries and Brown who are primarily defenders.
 

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I blame D'Antoni for that. For whatever reason, it didn't seem like he wanted to give Brewer minutes even though NY insisted he be included in the trade, so presumably Walsh did Brewer a favor (he has the same agent as Amare) and released him.
During the pre-game tonight, D'Antoni spoke about the Brewer situation. D'Antoni said that Brewer's agent was insisting that he be guaranteed a spot in the rotation, or else he was going to request his release. D'Antoni told him he couldn't make any guarantees, and like you said, they basically did Brewer a favor and granted him his release.

He also talked about Derrick Brown, and how they worked him out prior to the draft, and seriously considered taking him. Apparently, during the season, Felton also spoke very highly about playing with him in Charlotte, and well before Brown was released, specifically told D'Antoni that if Brown was available,they should sign him because he'd fit the Knicks system perfectly. I'm expecting him to get some time tonight, given that both Turiaf and Billups are out.
 

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The post-trade Knicks are pretty fascinating, now 3-1 against playoff teams (@MIA, NO, @ATL the wins), and they led for quite a bit of the Orlando game before Nelson went nuts late.

Tonight they pulled away with their best defensive effort of the year, holding ATL to 79 points, and Melo sat down the stretch after having a very bad shooting game (6-18 with 5 turnovers, 7 assists in the plus column). Anthony Carter, Roger Mason and Shawne Williams all played down the stretch and all came up big.

ATL looked thoroughly disinterested, somehow Horford only scored 4 even though NY's main post defender with Turiaf out was Jeffries, but still a nice win. NY fans were consistently louder than ATL fans the whole game, even giving Amare MVP chants at the line near the end.
 

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NY holds on to beat a hot Memphis team on the road, blowing a big lead at the end but Melo with the winning jumper in the last second (and a huge steal earlier in the last minute).

NY is now 5-1 against over-.500 teams since the trade, 10-16 before that, and the last three wins have amazingly been with Billups out (he is expected back this weekend).
 

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Knicks go down 17 early to a fired up Nets team (Lopez the latest big man they have no prayer of guarding after trading Mozgov, Turiaf out tonight also), but come back behind a combined 95 points from their big three. Much like Miami the other night, they did not get much help:

Melo/Amare/Billups: 108 minutes, 95 points, 35-64 FG, 19-22 FT, 19 REB, 14 AST.
rest of the team: 132 minutes, 25 points, 11-28 FG, 2-4 FT, 20 REB, 10 AST.

They did get a little help down the stretch, though, three straight baskets from the unlikely Anthony Carter to Shelden Williams combo to take it from 99-100 to 105-100 with six minutes left. Toney Douglas also with a few big plays, including hitting a 3 in the 30 seconds that D'Antoni inexplicably benched the big three at the same time, and an offensive rebound and FTs after an ill-advised Billups three clanked in the last minute.

NY also got some good news on the potential first round draft exchange with Houston. If Houston misses the playoffs and NY makes it, the swap expires worthless, so tonight's HOU loss coupled with MEM/NO wins helps there.
 

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Knicks go down 17 early to a fired up Nets team (Lopez the latest big man they have no prayer of guarding after trading Mozgov, Turiaf out tonight also), but come back behind a combined 95 points from their big three. Much like Miami the other night, they did not get much help:

Melo/Amare/Billups: 108 minutes, 95 points, 35-64 FG, 19-22 FT, 19 REB, 14 AST.
rest of the team: 132 minutes, 25 points, 11-28 FG, 2-4 FT, 20 REB, 10 AST.

They did get a little help down the stretch, though, three straight baskets from the unlikely Anthony Carter to Shelden Williams combo to take it from 99-100 to 105-100 with six minutes left. Toney Douglas also with a few big plays, including hitting a 3 in the 30 seconds that D'Antoni inexplicably benched the big three at the same time, and an offensive rebound and FTs after an ill-advised Billups three clanked in the last minute.

NY also got some good news on the potential first round draft exchange with Houston. If Houston misses the playoffs and NY makes it, the swap expires worthless, so tonight's HOU loss coupled with MEM/NO wins helps there.

Jon I was wondering what your thoughts are about the trade now that you've had some time to observe. As you may know because of my love for Clyde Frasier, the Knicks have been my second team for years. Even through the Thomas travesty I watched........it was like watchign a trainwreck. This years team I really liked......there was a lot of excitement on offense and Stoudemire was much better than I ever thought he would be. After the trade for Anthony? Its all gone. They are slow and plodding and boring as hell. Billups looks completely cooked. (dispite last night) Anthony looks like he's serving out a prison sentance. I don't get it.

For starters I think they need to fire D'Assholi. But after that I have no idea what they should do. They're more a mess now than when the season started IMO.
 

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Well, it's a pretty huge topic, but some quick thoughts:

1) After Dolan took over the negotiations like the shitty shitty shitty owner he is (I've been pressing for a team boycott on the Knickerblogger site until Dolan sells for a while now), he gave away Mozgov for no reason and NY has been left with no real post defenders, playing guys like Jeffries and Shawne Williams there (!).

2) Billups actually looked great in his first few games in NY, then he got hurt, missed a bunch of games, and is just returning to form after that.

3) LeBron has always had trouble with Melo, Melo has something like a 7-3 career record in head to head matchups, including one a few weeks ago with NY. If NY draws Miami and not Boston, they don't have to worry about guarding a genuine center and Billups doesn't have to worry about getting repeatedly beaten by a quick PG, so it's not a bad matchup for them. I still think it'll be 4-1 or maybe 4-2 Miami, but maybe they can make them sweat a bit.

4) As for getting Melo in general, I've been pretty agnostic on it. He is exceedingly talented, and in recent games, his effort on D and rebounding and passing has been way up. But he's a bit on the dumb side, and he's one of the less fun stars to watch. If he can help get one of the big 3 2012 FAs to NY, then the deal was a success, but I'm not really holding my breath.
 

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Also, even aside from being a bit short on personnel, they need to have an offseason to get on the same page offensively. D'Antoni/Amare prefer SSOL, Melo/Billups work better in an isolation offense, and that's what's caused a lot of the fourth quarter issues in the last few weeks.
 

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Knicks win four in a row. D'Antoni plays Amare 36 minutes in a blowout against Toronto. Seeding is really not an issue right now, so its totally inexplicable why he wouldn't give Stat significantly more rest after the way he broke down in March.

Beyond the lack of defense, D'Antoni's showed me nothing about being able to manage this team. Running guys into the ground, stubborn refusal to play anyone he doesn't immediately deem as fitting perfectly into his system (Brewer/Randolph) and idiotic loyalty to those that he thinks do (Jeffries), lack of communication. No way this guy is a championship-level coach--I don't care who else they get in 2012.

I think its extremely likely we (and I see no reason not to) offer Jackson 12-15 Million a year when he gets out of LA.
 

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It'll be interesting to see how much guys play the rest of the way. It looks like Amare will sit out the final two games, which I think is going to set the team back chemistry wise. The last couple games Amare and Melo played together, they looked like they were just figuring out how to play off one another.

And interestingly, Melo's taken the team over as the alpha-dog. He was taking that away from Amare while the aforementioned games were taking place, but since Amare has been out that has greatly intensified. I actually don't think this is a good thing--I'd rather Amare be the more aggressive and assertive of the two with Melo getting his points more in the flow of the offense.
 

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Donnie Walsh's tenure as president and general manager of the New York Knicks is over, team owner James Dolan said Friday.

"Following a long series of discussions regarding his future role with the New York Knicks, Donnie Walsh and I have mutually agreed that he will be leaving his position ... at the end of June," Dolan said in a statement.

Walsh will work in a consultant's capacity for the team next season.
Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=6622321

James Dolan really does seem to enjoy the idea of nuking any and all fan support for his team.
 

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Oh man, the cherry on this crap sundae would be if he brings Isiah back. He's stupid enough he might just do it (or at least we can but hope)....
 

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Speculation from other team general managers is that Creative Artists Agency, which represents recently acquired superstar Carmelo Anthony as well as assistant general manager Allan Houston and consultant Mark Warkentien, will exert influence not only on who the Knicks hire to replace Walsh, but also whether D'Antoni is the Knicks coach beyond next season.

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One source said that CAA officials were not happy with how Walsh and D'Antoni handled another one of their clients, Eddy Curry, before he was traded to the Minnesota Timberwolves as part of the February deal that brought Anthony to New York.
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They're going to have to send in Snake Plissken to clean up that franchise.
 

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I call bullshit on that. That's got to be posturing, or just straight up speculation. There's no doubt in my mind that CAA stopped caring about Eddy Curry 4 years ago. That'd be like saying that CAA doesn't want to work with James Earl Jones because he wasn't nice to the fat kid that played the catcher on the set of The Sandlot.
 

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Someone needs to explain to me why Spike Lee hasn't formed an ownership group to take the Knicks over.
 

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Someone needs to explain to me why Spike Lee hasn't formed an ownership group to take the Knicks over.
Because why the hell would the Dolan's sell? They make money hand over fist and have infinitely more assets than Spike Lee.

You can't be that stupid. It is not possible for any human being to be stupid enough to ask what you just did.
 

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Not sure what to think about Iman Shumpert.

I'd heard his name connected with the Knicks a lot, but didn't know much about him. I guess in a draft as shallow as this one, with no big men available, taking the most athletic guard on the board isn't a bad strategy. Shumpert is absurdly athletic, and really big for a guard at 6'6 220 lbs. He's also got a 6'10 wingspan, and is a very active defender who takes pride in his contributions on the defensive end which is an area the Knicks obviously need some help.

All in all, there aren't a ton of guys taken after him that I think the Knicks will regret passing on. Based on Walsh's comments, it sounds like Vucevic was the guy they wanted, and he just didn't last. There will be plenty of people who wonder why the Knicks would take a defensive minded player with Singleton still on the board, but I just don't see how Singleton would have found the minutes as a big 3/small 4 with Carmelo and Amare on the team.

As for Josh Harrellson, I'll be pretty surprised if he ever plays.

edit: A couple of Undrafted guys I wouldn't mind the Knicks taking a look at: Scotty Hopson, Jacob Pullen, Jamie Skeen, Matt Howard, Michael Dunigan, and Kevin Anderson. Doubt many of them stick in the league, but a summer league invite couldn't hurt.
 

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Because why the hell would the Dolan's sell? They make money hand over fist and have infinitely more assets than Spike Lee.

You can't be that stupid. It is not possible for any human being to be stupid enough to ask what you just did.
I asked why Spike didn't form an ownership group. One that would have the assets to buy the Knicks. You're right to point out that Dolan may have no incentive to sell (depends upon the pricetag I suppose). But you'd think Spike would at least try. The guy is a Cuban-type fanatic.
 

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5 months closer to the title of this thread becoming true, Chris Broussard on Twitter just now:

“Chris Paul’s first choice is to play for the Knicks, sources say. He’s willing to wait & sign w/NYK as free agent next summer.”

https://twitter.com/#!/Chris_Broussard/status/141386189180649474
 

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John Hollinger has an ESPN Insider article up (this summary is from a Nets fansite, FWIW) that says Paul will need to take a huge paycut to join the Knicks:

John Hollinger tries to temper Knick fans enthusiasm but running Chris Paul through the number cruncher that is the new CBA and bottom lines it this way: "Looks like a slam dunk, right? Not so fast." Hollinger notes that Paul can't earn more than $13.5 million under any reasonable scenario and would sacrifice a large fortune long-term.

Hollinger writes: "So if Paul really wants to go to New York, he can go -- as long as he's willing to give up, at a minimum, forty million dollars to do it. (The same, incidentally, applies for Deron Williams or Dwight Howard.)"
 

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Yeah, that was atypically shoddy work from Hollinger, since Paul has made it fairly clear that he's leaving New Orleans and the $40M number is only true if he stayed put.
 

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Yeah, that was atypically shoddy work from Hollinger, since Paul has made it fairly clear that he's leaving New Orleans and the $40M number is only true if he stayed put.
I assume even if he is certain to leave NO, there are other teams with more cap space that can offer more $ than NY, right?

Perhaps it's not 40M, but I would guess he still has to leave a decent amount of money on the table by signing with NY.
 

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That's a potentially unappealing scenario that the Hornets do not have to consider if they don't want to. And it's for these reasons and more that the best avenue for New Orleans may be to trade Paul long before July 1, 2012 arrives. This is only way under the new rules for the Hornets to maximize the assets they receive and for Paul to get a five-year max deal with a team other than New Orleans. It would go like this: 1) New Orleans trades him sometime between the day business reopens and the February trade deadline; 2) Paul opts out; and 3) and his new team signs him to a five-year $100 million deal after a six-month window forbidding such signings expires.

To satisfy the new six-month rule and allow his new team to sign Paul first, then use the mini mid-level, and actually have some decent options to fill out the roster with minimum deals, the trade would probably have to happen in January.

So yeah, Paul may not want to unpack those boxes once they arrive in New Orleans.
The Knicks can't do that. He really will lose $40+ million.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/16285295/if-paul-wants-out-he-cant-take-lebron-or-melo-route
 

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Wojnarowski is reporting that Paul is formally requesting a trade to New York and will not be signing a long-term extension with the Hornets.

If Paul, is indeed lobbing for a extend and trade, he is still leaving a ton on the table because he can only sign a one year extension. Not only that, but I just don't see anyone on the Knicks roster outside of Anthony and Stoudamire that the Hornets would want.

Chris Paul’s agent informed New Orleans officials on Wednesday that his client will not sign a contract extension and wants to be traded to the New York Knicks, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.
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Wojnarowski is reporting that Paul is formally requesting a trade to New York and will not be signing a long-term extension with the Hornets.

If Paul, is indeed lobbing for a extend and trade, he is still leaving a ton on the table because he can only sign a one year extension. Not only that, but I just don't see anyone on the Knicks roster outside of Anthony and Stoudamire that the Hornets would want.



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He doesn't need to do an extend-and-trade if he winds up on the Knicks. He just won't opt out of his final year (17.5 million in 2012-13) and in 6 months can sign a three year extension (for a total of 4 years under contract).


OR

He could opt out of his final year once he's on the Knicks, become a FA and then re-sign with the Knicks for 5 years/100 million.


Either way, I do not see viable way Paul can be traded to the Knicks this year; they don't have the chips. His agent will presumably say he would only sign an extension with the Knicks in hopes of depressing his trade market to the point where the Hornets best offer will come from New York.

I don't see that happening and think some GM will offer the goods for Paul, even without the guarantee of an extension.
 

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Chris Paul's options are to either give up 42 million or risk playing a year on a bad knee with no extension. He must really want to be a Knick. I'm not sure how the Knicks pull this off even if he only wants to go there.
 

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Heh, what's even better is it says in that article that he is trying to get Howard to go with him. What they need is a shoe company to kick in like $25M per year for Paul/Howard combined, then they can both sign cheap deals with NY. [/my fantasy]
 

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So is Chris Paul retarded?

Does he honestly believe there is a way for him to be a Knick?
 

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It's one thing to grant a player's wish when the other team has something of value to give up--to say, as the Nuggets did with Melo' --yeah we're taking 60 cents on the dollar, but the other option was 0 cents on the dollar.

But the Knicks, as best I can tell, have literally nothing to offer the Hornets--can they even offer 20 cents on the dollar?

There may be a case that this is good for the Celtics, that Paul's refusal to extend anywhere except NY will lower his price, allowing the Cs to trade for him unextended. I'm willing to take the gamble that if they get him, the combination of the Cs being able to pay more and the fact that he would like Boston once he was here (see Garnett, Kevin) would make it work. Worst case, we have a hell of a year this year and then once more into abyss (where we would be without the big 3 and still Rondo anyway).
 

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So is Chris Paul retarded?

Does he honestly believe there is a way for him to be a Knick?
Of course he can be a Knick if that's what he wants, he can sign there this summer for the minimum if he so desires. But I'm sure you understand the possibilities much better than Paul and whoever is advising him.... :rolleyes:
 

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Simmons gets it:

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And... the worst-kept NBA secret of the past six months (CP3 to NYK) finally comes out.

PS: Can we all stop pretending that CP3 isn't going to be a Knick and Dwight Howard isn't going to be a Laker?
 

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Sources who recently talked to NY & NO were left with 2 strong impressions: Knicks have almost no confidence they'll get CP3 via trade...
...and the Hornets sound resigned to the fact that they will have to trade him somewhere.
https://twitter.com/#!/sam_amick/status/142338126424195072
https://twitter.com/#!/sam_amick/status/142338307223846912
 

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Yeah, that was atypically shoddy work from Hollinger, since Paul has made it fairly clear that he's leaving New Orleans and the $40M number is only true if he stayed put.
It'd also be true if a team like the Celtics or Clippers trades for him.


The Hornets' best chance of not getting stuck losing Paul for nothing is to trade him by mid-January or so. This way, New Orleans gets prime assets from a team where Paul is assured of re-signing with, and Paul only has to wait until July to opt out and get his five-year, $100 million deal from his new team once a newly imposed six-month window expires for players to sign new deals after getting traded.
http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/33617022

There's a reason CP3 badly wants to be traded to the Knicks and wants to scare off all suitors. He'd have to take a MASSIVE discount to sign there as a free agent if the Celtics or Clippers or whoever thinks he is bluffing and trades for him right now. They could offer 5/$100M where as the Knicks would only be able to offer about 4/$55.5M. Consider the Knicks don't really have the assets to get a deal done and you are talking about asking him to take $45M less to go play for the Knicks.

I don't view this as the lock that you or Simmons do. I do think the Knicks are clearly his number 1 choice but considering they have nothing to trade and Amare and 'Melo didn't take less the way the Superfriends in Miami did to leave more money for Paul, CP3 is going to have to take what I'd consider a fairly unprecedented discount to become a Knick.
 

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I don't view this as the lock that you or Simmons do. I do think the Knicks are clearly his number 1 choice but considering they have nothing to trade and Amare and 'Melo didn't take less the way the Superfriends in Miami did to leave more money for Paul, CP3 is going to have to take what I'd consider a fairly unprecedented discount to become a Knick.
This might be a dumb question, but is there any rule (or way to enforce a rule) preventing Melo/Amare being super nice buddies and giving Paul some extra money on the side. Maybe a really nice birthday present every year or something...

Obviously teams can't circumvent the cap or do anything under the table like that. But how can the NBA prevent players from doing it?

For example, in 2012-2013, Melo and Amare make 19M each. If they each gave Paul 2M-ish, that would bring his contract closer to theirs, and for all intents and purposes, be along the lines of what the Lebron/Wade/Bosh did in Miami.
 

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This might be a dumb question, but is there any rule (or way to enforce a rule) preventing Melo/Amare being super nice buddies and giving Paul some extra money on the side. Maybe a really nice birthday present every year or something...

Obviously teams can't circumvent the cap or do anything under the table like that. But how can the NBA prevent players from doing it?

For example, in 2012-2013, Melo and Amare make 19M each. If they each gave Paul 2M-ish, that would bring his contract closer to theirs, and for all intents and purposes, be along the lines of what the Lebron/Wade/Bosh did in Miami.
I don't know if the NBA can/would police this, but I'm pretty sure there are tax implications for the givers....gift tax, I believe. So they'd have to feel really, really generous.

EDIT--and FWIW, I just don't think that type of selflessness is in these guys' DNA.
 

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I don't view this as the lock that you or Simmons do. I do think the Knicks are clearly his number 1 choice but considering they have nothing to trade and Amare and 'Melo didn't take less the way the Superfriends in Miami did to leave more money for Paul, CP3 is going to have to take what I'd consider a fairly unprecedented discount to become a Knick.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the new CBA makes it so Paul (and for that matter Howard) would have to take at least a $26 million dollar hit no matter what - if either of them signs with any team other than the one who holds his rights prior to free agency. This is a test case, for the new CBA. It is hoped that those millions will keep stars with their current teams, but there is a good chance it won't work. Whether Paul signs with the Knicks or another team Paul will still make huge money. With the potential Knicks deal, for example, he would still average nearly $15 million a year and the supposed $45 million deficit would be at least partially made up for the fact that he would become a free agent one year earlier (meaning over the course of 5 years the difference is more likely to be far less). In NY there would also be substantial revenue to be gained through increased advertising, further cutting down any difference. Its also important to remember that just last year Bosh and James each took $15 million dollars less to sign with Miami - so its not like taking less to win is unprecedented.
I suppose the Hornets might be inclined to roll the dice with Paul - after all, unless they can convince him to consider other options they can't get much back from NY anyway. This would be a big contrast to Howard's circumstances. By all accounts it appears Howard wants to go to LA, and LA is also probably the team with the most to offer in return. Considering this, while it make some sense for New Orleans to keep Paul, it would be fairly shocking if Howard isn't traded..
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the new CBA makes it so Paul (and for that matter Howard) would have to take at least a $26 million dollar hit no matter what - if either of them signs with any team other than the one who holds his rights prior to free agency. This is a test case, for the new CBA. It is hoped that those millions will keep stars with their current teams, but there is a good chance it won't work. Whether Paul signs with the Knicks or another team Paul will still make huge money. With the potential Knicks deal, for example, he would still average nearly $15 million a year and the supposed $45 million deficit would be at least partially made up for the fact that he would become a free agent one year earlier (meaning over the course of 5 years the difference is more likely to be far less). In NY there would also be substantial revenue to be gained through increased advertising, further cutting down any difference. Its also important to remember that just last year Bosh and James each took $15 million dollars less to sign with Miami - so its not like taking less to win is unprecedented.
I suppose the Hornets might be inclined to roll the dice with Paul - after all, unless they can convince him to consider other options they can't get much back from NY anyway. This would be a big contrast to Howard's circumstances. By all accounts it appears Howard wants to go to LA, and LA is also probably the team with the most to offer in return. Considering this, while it make some sense for New Orleans to keep Paul, it would be fairly shocking if Howard isn't traded..
Right, the most a team with Paul's bird rights can offer is 5/$100M while the most a team way under the cap can offer is 4/$74M.

With the Knicks, Paul would make about $13.875M per year instead of the $20M he'd make per from a team with his bird rights or $18.5M per year from a team under the cap enough to give a maximum contract offer. You are right that he could make $75.5M over 5 years if he gets a maximum contract after 4 years from the Knicks but considering the concern about his knees, is it really a lock that Paul sees another max money pay day? Players like security for a reason.

Does that $15M include the fact that there's no state income tax in Florida? It's also still not close to $45M regardless and I'm talking about just how much money he'd have to give up as unprecedented, not the act of giving up less money to win. If neither the Clippers or Celtics trade for him and only can offer him 4/$72M, I'd increase the odds quite a bit of Paul taking less. But 5/$100M, a $45M difference? That's huge and if endorsements made up a number that big, I'd think you'd see it happen more frequently. As in...once? Anyone got an example of a player passing up $45M guaranteed; I can't think of one. Besides, who says he can't win in Boston or LA?

But I agree with you that he may very well take less to go to the Knicks, I just don't see why everyone thinks it's a lock when the Knicks have nothing to trade for Paul and Paul would have to take a $45M discount to join them in free agency. Could it happen? Absolutely, but I don't even think the odds are better than 50-50.