Final Patriots Roster Projection

[Shelterdog]

Well they signed Anderson and Reiff. Anderson has been out on NFI until recently, Reiff has at least been good at guard thus far.

I have no idea if Jones is any good, but drafting 3 interior guys does seem a little off. Pretty hard to tell if these were good decisions or not until we start seeing the starters play real football.

Despite being a guard for most of college Sow was drafted to play tackle and has played at tackle basically all of pre season. In their minds they drafted two interior guys and a right tackle.

The Dawand Jones thing is kind of stupid. maybe he’ll be good but he was a mid fourth round pick-it’s not like hes an obvious sure thing. He’s not starting in Cleveland although they have Conklin. Edit: Baldy is saying he’s playing really well so maybe Lazar is right that we should have gotten him, but it’s not an obvious solution to the Pats issues-can’t count on a fourth round tackle to be decent as a rookie

Maybe Andre Dillard would have been the solution. Then again 9 starts in four nfl seasons suggests maybe not. Dollars was expensive and apparently was struggling badly early In camp.

 

[pjheff]

But what I can’t square is why? I mean he may not be infallible - certainly last years staff didn’t connect and the top end of the 2022 draft has question marks - but BB has seen everything and is intimately familiar with his team. And has a very seasoned offensive coordinator now as another set of eyes.
Is he avoiding contracts to load up for a spree next year? Or re-sign core guys for the next run?
Or just get younger? Or get guys suited to BOB’s scheme?
There has to be some team building strategy here.

Bill has his desired traits (we’ve all seen the document) for certain positions and trusts his evaluations. I wanted Jones, but he might not even have been on Bill’s board. Bill is not infallible, but he has been pretty good at building lines with the undrafted (Andrews), low picks (Onwenu), and castoffs (Brown). I just wish Scar was still around to forge them and hope Klemm can approach his level of coaching.

 

[BigJimEd]

Maybe Andre Dillard would have been the solution. Then again 9 starts in four nfl seasons suggests maybe not. Dollars was expensive and apparently was struggling badly early In camp.

Seriously. Andre Dillard played 37 snaps last year. He is far from a sure thing and that signing had mixed reviews at best.

Dillard might work out but it's not hard to see why teams might have passed on him especially at that contract.

 

[rodderick]

Despite being a guard for most of college Sow was drafted to play tackle and has played at tackle basically all of pre season. In their minds they drafted two interior guys and a right tackle.

The Dawand Jones thing is kind of stupid. maybe he’ll be good but he was a mid fourth round pick-it’s not like hes an obvious sure thing. He’s not starting in Cleveland although they have Conklin. Edit: Baldy is saying he’s playing really well so maybe Lazar is right that we should have gotten him, but it’s not an obvious solution to the Pats issues-can’t count on a fourth round tackle to be decent as a rookie

Maybe Andre Dillard would have been the solution. Then again 9 starts in four nfl seasons suggests maybe not. Dollars was expensive and apparently was struggling badly early In camp.

I don't think throwing an over the hill Riley Reiff, an unproven Calvin Anderson and a guard-to-tackle conversion project at RT is anywhere near enough to fill what was arguably the most obvious hole in the roster. Andre Dillard wouldn't have been a solution either. They should have just gone after one of the top tier tackles in free agency, and yeah, while missing out on Dawand Jones isn't anything to lose sleep over, he's a guy that played the position in college and was a much better fit to be an option there day 1 than Sidy Sow, so I really don't get drafting three college interior linemen and no tackle in the middle rounds. Makes no sense.

Not to mention Trent Brown is a free agent after this year and he's an unreliable player to begin with, so odds are tackle will again be an area of need in 2024, even if one of the guys they threw at the wall at RT sticks. They had ample opportunity to fix one spot and get ahead of the other and pretty much did neither. Odds are if the rest of the line performs well this won't be a fatal flaw and all the concern will seem foolish, but I don't like the quantity over quality approach at tackle with a QB like Mac Jones under center.

 

[Devizier]

Doesn’t seem worth pining over Dawand Jones since IIRC @SMU_Sox highlighted how he really doesn’t fit the profile of what the Patriots look for in their linemen.

 

[Shelterdog]

I don't think throwing an over the hill Riley Reiff, an unproven Calvin Anderson and a guard-to-tackle conversion project at RT is anywhere near enough to fill what was arguably the most obvious hole in the roster. Andre Dillard wouldn't have been a solution either. They should have just gone after one of the top tier tackles in free agency, and yeah, while missing out on Dawand Jones isn't anything to lose sleep over, he's a guy that played the position in college and was a much better fit to be an option there day 1 than Sidy Sow, so I really don't get drafting three college interior linemen and no tackle in the middle rounds. Makes no sense.

Not to mention Trent Brown is a free agent after this year and he's an unreliable player to begin with, so odds are tackle will again be an area of need in 2024, even if one of the guys they threw at the wall at RT sticks. They had ample opportunity to fix one spot and get ahead of the other and pretty much did neither. Odds are if the rest of the line performs well this won't be a fatal flaw and all the concern will seem foolish, but I don't like the quantity over quality approach at tackle with a QB like Mac Jones under center.

Unless Sow and Anderson are both grand slam home runs (and neither see yet) tackle absolutely is a big need for 2024. I think we agree thst the only sure shots at tackle are the top three guys so the only question is whether a sixteen million dollar a year solution at RT is worth it or not-time will tell on that.
Also, you might not think that Sow makes more sense as a tackle for the Pats than Jones but clearly they do. Guard to tackle conversions are somewhat rare of course but sometimes I think we get a little hung up on the details here (particularly because athletically Sow is a good fit for tackle and because he appears to have played guard because that’s where his coach wanted their best lineman)

 

[rodderick]

Unless Sow and Anderson are both grand slam home runs (and neither see yet) tackle absolutely is a big need for 2024. I think we agree thst the only sure shots at tackle are the top three guys so the only question is whether a sixteen million dollar a year solution at RT is worth it or not-time will tell on that.
Also, you might not think that Sow makes more sense as a tackle for the Pats than Jones but clearly they do. Guard to tackle conversions are somewhat rare of course but sometimes I think we get a little hung up on the details here (particularly because athletically Sow is a good fit for tackle and because he appears to have played guard because that’s where his coach wanted their best lineman)

Sure, they think Sow is a better option, I just don't believe he'll be ready to perform there at a high level this year even in the best case scenario. How many guys convert from guard to tackle successfully at the NFL level in the first place? I can recall Branden Albert and our very own Michael Onwenu off the top of my head, but not anyone else really.

 

[Shelterdog]

Sure, they think Sow is a better option, I just don't believe he'll be ready to perform there at a high level this year even in the best case scenario. How many guys convert from guard to tackle successfully at the NFL level in the first place? I can recall Branden Albert and our very own Michael Onwenu off the top of my head, but not anyone else really.

He’s a fourth round pick-any fourth round pick is unlikely to play at a high level as a rookie whether they’re changing positions or not.

guard to tackle is pretty rare-Corey Glenn also did it, I’m sure I’m forgetting some. It isnt that unusual for a college player to start at guard and kick out later in college but that’s obviously a little different. The flip side is that it’s pretty unusual for a team to have a guard as physically capable of playing tackle as Sow was and have that guy playing guard.

 

[McBride11]

Unless Sow and Anderson are both grand slam home runs (and neither see yet) tackle absolutely is a big need for 2024. I think we agree thst the only sure shots at tackle are the top three guys so the only question is whether a sixteen million dollar a year solution at RT is worth it or not-time will tell on that.
Also, you might not think that Sow makes more sense as a tackle for the Pats than Jones but clearly they do. Guard to tackle conversions are somewhat rare of course but sometimes I think we get a little hung up on the details here (particularly because athletically Sow is a good fit for tackle and because he appears to have played guard because that’s where his coach wanted their best lineman)

Which of course means BB will take a leftie punter from some JUCO

 

[RedOctober3829]

Provided Anderson is ready to suit up, I think we'll see a RT rotation on Sunday between Sow and him. At this point, Anderson is not physically ready to take on a full load of snaps.

 

[Van Everyman]

Are we all overreacting a bit about the OL? I get that there are health concerns and that the line, and Brown in particular, had a really bad year in 2022. But is there a reason to think the recent trades and roster shuffling weren’t really more about (deep) depth and that they won’t have a solid starting 5 by the time the season starts?

Honestly, I am putting aside what we saw during the preseason – given the injuries and general uselessness of those games. With Strange and Onwenu on the field, Brown actually playing (the coaches obviously believe enough in him to make him a starter this year) and reserve guys like Sow and Calvin Anderson (who played seemingly competently on 47 percent of the Broncos’ offensive snaps last year mostly at LT) as well, it feels like it’s no guarantee but we should have a better group than the consensus suggests.

 

[rodderick]

Are we all overreacting a bit about the OL? I get that there are health concerns and that the line, and Brown in particular, had a really bad year in 2022. But is there a reason to think the recent trades and roster shuffling weren’t really more about (deep) depth and that they won’t have a solid starting 5 by the time the season starts?

Honestly, I am putting aside what we saw during the preseason – given the injuries and general uselessness of those games. With Strange and Onwenu on the field, Brown actually playing (the coaches obviously believe enough in him to make him a starter this year) and reserve guys like Sow and Calvin Anderson (who played seemingly competently on 47 percent of the Broncos’ offensive snaps last year mostly at LT) as well, it feels like it’s no guarantee but we should have a better group than the consensus suggests.

I do believe they'll have at least a competent line by the end of the season, but a lot of RPOs and five wide packages puts a lot of stress on Mac and that unit, so RT is where I would have invested real money this off-season. But yeah, they were already fine last year when most thought them a disaster, so I'm not all that concerned for this season either. The only guy I think they can't stand to lose is Andrews.

 

[Eddie Jurak]

I don't think throwing an over the hill Riley Reiff, an unproven Calvin Anderson and a guard-to-tackle conversion project at RT is anywhere near enough to fill what was arguably the most obvious hole in the roster. Andre Dillard wouldn't have been a solution either. They should have just gone after one of the top tier tackles in free agency, and yeah, while missing out on Dawand Jones isn't anything to lose sleep over, he's a guy that played the position in college and was a much better fit to be an option there day 1 than Sidy Sow, so I really don't get drafting three college interior linemen and no tackle in the middle rounds. Makes no sense.

Not to mention Trent Brown is a free agent after this year and he's an unreliable player to begin with, so odds are tackle will again be an area of need in 2024, even if one of the guys they threw at the wall at RT sticks. They had ample opportunity to fix one spot and get ahead of the other and pretty much did neither. Odds are if the rest of the line performs well this won't be a fatal flaw and all the concern will seem foolish, but I don't like the quantity over quality approach at tackle with a QB like Mac Jones under center.

This is a good argument. This makes the reluctance to shift Onwenu back to T even more mystifying. One argument you could make justifying their Reiff/Anderson/Sow plan is Onwenu, but only if they actualy play him at T.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Are we all overreacting a bit about the OL? I get that there are health concerns and that the line, and Brown in particular, had a really bad year in 2022. But is there a reason to think the recent trades and roster shuffling weren’t really more about (deep) depth and that they won’t have a solid starting 5 by the time the season starts?

Honestly, I am putting aside what we saw during the preseason – given the injuries and general uselessness of those games. With Strange and Onwenu on the field, Brown actually playing (the coaches obviously believe enough in him to make him a starter this year) and reserve guys like Sow and Calvin Anderson (who played seemingly competently on 47 percent of the Broncos’ offensive snaps last year mostly at LT) as well, it feels like it’s no guarantee but we should have a better group than the consensus suggests.

There is a huge overreaction to the OL this camp. People are basing their opinions based on the line that has played in the preseason games which is nowhere close to what we'd see once everyone gets back. I would get all the panic if this was the top OL getting their doors blown but that's not the case.

 

[pjheff]

This is a good argument. This makes the reluctance to shift Onwenu back to T even more mystifying. One argument you could make justifying their Reiff/Anderson/Sow plan is Onwenu, but only if they actualy play him at T.

Is there any chance that such reluctance stems from a desire to suppress and extract more value from Onwenu’s next contract?

 

[Mystic Merlin]

Is there any chance that such reluctance stems from a desire to suppress and extract more value from Onwenu’s next contract?

As in, like, metaphysically possible?

 

[BigSoxFan]

There is a huge overreaction to the OL this camp. People are basing their opinions based on the line that has played in the preseason games which is nowhere close to what we'd see once everyone gets back. I would get all the panic if this was the top OL getting their doors blown but that's not the case.

I think it's mostly 2022 PTSD. We all hope the OL is better. Until we see it, I don't blame fans for being concerned. It is a huge question mark heading into a really tough matchup and I expect there to be some real problems containing Philly's DL. Of course, Philly's DL is one of the best in the league so if they struggle week 1, it won't be the end of the world. And, on the flip side, if they hold up then that'll be a very good sign for the rest of the season.

 

[RedOctober3829]

I think it's mostly 2022 PTSD. We all hope the OL is better. Until we see it, I don't blame fans for being concerned. It is a huge question mark heading into a really tough matchup and I expect there to be some real problems containing Philly's DL. Of course, Philly's DL is one of the best in the league so if they struggle week 1, it won't be the end of the world. And, on the flip side, if they hold up then that'll be a very good sign for the rest of the season.

There's some legitimate concerns along the OL, but the hand wringing about guys like Andrew Stueber, Bill Murray, and others doing poorly means one thing: the depth is thin. Which is the case all across football. Where I place my concerns is that the starting 5 hasn't had a chance to develop any continuity throughout training camp.

 

[BigSoxFan]

There's some legitimate concerns along the OL, but the hand wringing about guys like Andrew Stueber, Bill Murray, and others doing poorly means one thing: the depth is thin. Which is the case all across football. Where I place my concerns is that the starting 5 hasn't had a chance to develop any continuity throughout training camp.

Yes, that is the larger concern. When fully healthy, I think the OL has sufficient talent. Whether they can mesh is a legitimate concern. I don't really care about the back end of the roster at this point. Every team has OL depth concerns.

 

[8slim]

Seems like it’s valid for roughly 26 of the 32 NFL fanbases to have some degree of concern about their OL. It’s only the key positional group to determine how an offense performs. 2022 Bengals aside, it’s pretty damn difficult to overcome a bad OL.

And until I see the Pats starting 5 healthy and playing decently together then I won’t apologize for being concerned.

 

[rodderick]

This is a good argument. This makes the reluctance to shift Onwenu back to T even more mystifying. One argument you could make justifying their Reiff/Anderson/Sow plan is Onwenu, but only if they actualy play him at T.

Onwenu was a really good RT in 2021 and to me the team becomes instantly better if you put him out there, have Sow/Mafe/Reiff competing for playing time at RG and Anderson as a swing tackle. Onwenu at RT just makes everyone else kinda fall into place and going into free agency I think he'd have no qualms with the move. Of course, it's likely a little too late for that now.

 

[Super Nomario]

He’s a fourth round pick-any fourth round pick is unlikely to play at a high level as a rookie whether they’re changing positions or not.

guard to tackle is pretty rare-Corey Glenn also did it, I’m sure I’m forgetting some. It isnt that unusual for a college player to start at guard and kick out later in college but that’s obviously a little different. The flip side is that it’s pretty unusual for a team to have a guard as physically capable of playing tackle as Sow was and have that guy playing guard.

Damien Woody is another example, a college center who, bizarrely, kept shifting outside as his career went along, to guard and then to tackle.

I think it's mostly 2022 PTSD. We all hope the OL is better. Until we see it, I don't blame fans for being concerned. It is a huge question mark heading into a really tough matchup and I expect there to be some real problems containing Philly's DL. Of course, Philly's DL is one of the best in the league so if they struggle week 1, it won't be the end of the world. And, on the flip side, if they hold up then that'll be a very good sign for the rest of the season.

Depth is a pretty big consideration. I think the OL struggles last year were somewhat overblown, but they were brutal during a midseason stretch when Wynn and Andrews both got hurt and Trent Brown got sick. They had no depth behind the starters. They've made several moves to address that this offseason, but it's not clear that the depth is any better (as the preseason suggests).

Onwenu was a really good RT in 2021 and to me the team becomes instantly better if you put him out there, have Sow/Mafe/Reiff competing for playing time at RG and Anderson as a swing tackle. Onwenu at RT just makes everyone else kinda fall into place and going into free agency I think he'd have no qualms with the move. Of course, it's likely a little too late for that now.

Onwenu at RG is the only good bet to be a top player at his position. Move him to RT and you have five guys you're hoping will be average.

 

[j44thor]

If people have concerns about the OL now just wait until they face the best pass rush in the NFL who added two DROY candidates to the front 7.
I'm not sure there is a worse matchup for week 1 than PHI. The good news is if they can somehow hold it together vs. PHI it can only get easier from there.

 

[rodderick]

Damien Woody is another example, a college center who, bizarrely, kept shifting outside as his career went along, to guard and then to tackle.


Depth is a pretty big consideration. I think the OL struggles last year were somewhat overblown, but they were brutal during a midseason stretch when Wynn and Andrews both got hurt and Trent Brown got sick. They had no depth behind the starters. They've made several moves to address that this offseason, but it's not clear that the depth is any better (as the preseason suggests).


Onwenu at RG is the only good bet to be a top player at his position. Move him to RT and you have five guys you're hoping will be average.

Why? By PFF he was better at tackle in 2020 than at RG last year. He struggled at LG, but I'd argue his best performance with the Pats was at tackle. I don't think RG is the only spot in which he can become a top tier starter necessarily. And a good RT might very well be more impactful than a very good RG to begin with.

 

[Shelterdog]

Why? By PFF he was better at tackle in 2020 than at RG last year. He struggled at LG, but I'd argue his best performance with the Pats was at tackle. I don't think RG is the only spot in which he can become a top tier starter necessarily. And a good RT might very well be more impactful than a very good RG to begin with.

I hate to use an appeal to authority here but the bottom line is BB and Matt Patricia and the OL coaches from 22 from what we can tell Klemm all disagree with the idea that should be a RT. You might be right and they might be wrong but Owenwu at RT doesn’t seem likely to happen

 

[k-factory]

Reiss seems to be suggesting the possibility of Onwenu getting snaps at RT in Game 1 (see points 3-5).

That's a tall order though coming off injury. Yet this is the tight spot the Pats have put themselves in and that is the critique in discussion. The reality is that there is not a 'healthy starting 5' and there really may not be frankly. This is the gamble that the staff took - that there is enough depth to navigate the problems from last year - and that is a big question mark.

 

[Shelterdog]

Reiss seems to be suggesting the possibility of Onwenu getting snaps at RT in Game 1 (see points 3-5).

That's a tall order though coming off injury. Yet this is the tight spot the Pats have put themselves in and that is the critique in discussion. The reality is that there is not a 'healthy starting 5' and there really may not be frankly. This is the gamble that the staff took - that there is enough depth to navigate the problems from last year - and that is a big question mark.

Reiss might be right and any port in a storm-Mankins played LT once or twice-so I wouldn’t rule it out completely but with strange also coming off of an injury and the guard depth being pretty questionable as well I’m dubious

 

[brendan f]

Reiss might be right and any port in a storm-Mankins played LT once or twice-so I wouldn’t rule it out completely but with strange also coming off of an injury and the guard depth being pretty questionable as well I’m dubious

I second this. Reiss may be right but his suggestion is purely speculative. In a recent interview, Anderson talked about the coaches keeping him mentally prepared during his illness. If I had to guess, I would bet Onwenu sticks at guard and Anderson starts at tackle. Wouldn't want to put much money on it though.

 

[nattysez]

Reiff to the IR.

Five-year veteran Calvin Anderson is a top option to replace Reiff at right tackle, while recent trade acquisitions Tyrone Wheatley Jr. and Vederian Lowe are among other possibilities. Right guard Onwenu also has experience at right tackle.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38329288/patriots-place-projected-starting-rt-riley-reiff-ir?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[DJnVa]

Pats had a bunch of guys in for workouts yesterday.

Linebackers Brandon Smith, Jordan Smith among 9 free agents in for reported Patriots workouts (msn.com)

 

[Jimbodandy]

Pats had a bunch of guys in for workouts yesterday.

Linebackers Brandon Smith, Jordan Smith among 9 free agents in for reported Patriots workouts (msn.com)

Smiths are the new Joneses.

 

[Ale Xander]

Smiths are the new Joneses.

An all-time, all-smith team wouldn’t be too bad on hypothetical paper. Good ground game for sure.

 

[Jimbodandy]

An all-time, all-smith team wouldn’t be too bad on hypothetical paper. Good ground game for sure.

A historical Smith vs. Jones comparison "if you had one game to win" might be a good read.

 

[Saints Rest]

A historical Smith vs. Jones comparison "if you had one game to win" might be a good read.

NFL-wide presumably
But yes.

 

[BaseballJones]

A historical Smith vs. Jones comparison "if you had one game to win" might be a good read.

Challenge accepted.

All-time Smith team:

QB - Alex Smith (PB)
RB - Emmitt Smith (HOF) - Robert Smith (PB), Antowain Smith
WR - DeVonta Smith (PB)
WR - Jimmy Smith (PB)
WR - Rod Smith (PB) - Steve Smith (PB) - hard to know which 3 of these 4 to have, but Steve Smith (Panthers) was awesome
TE - Jackie Smith (HOF)
OL - Tyron Smith (PB)
OL - Jim Ray Smith (PB)
OL - Doug Smith (PB)
OL - Wade Smith (PB)
OL - Tyron Smith (PB)

DE - Bruce Smith (HOF)
DT - Bubba Smith (PB)
DT - Paul Smith (PB)
DE - Justin Smith (PB) or Neil Smith (PB)
LB - Jaylon Smith (PB)
LB - Roquan Smith (PB)
LB - Telvin Smith (PB)
CB - Jimmy Smith
CB - Ron Smith (PB)
S - Harrison Smith (PB)
S - Dennis Smith (PB)

P - Hunter Smith
K - John Smith (PB)


All-time Jones team:

QB - Bert Jones (PB)
RB - Aaron Jones (PB)
WR - Homer Jones (PB)
WR - Jacoby Jones (PB)
WR - Julio Jones (PB)
TE - Brent Jones (PB)
OL - Stan Jones (HOF)
OL - Tony Jones (PB)
OL - Walter Jones (HOF)
OL - Ben Jones (PB)
OL - Clarence Jones

DE - Ed Jones (HOF) - Chandler Jones (PB), Sean Jones (PB)
DT - Chris Jones (PB)
DT - Cody Jones (PB)
DE - Deacon Jones (HOF)
LB - Deion Jones (PB)
LB - Dhani Jones
LB - Joseph Jones
CB - Adam Jones (PB)
CB - Byron Jones (PB)
S - Henry Jones (PB)
S - Tebucky Jones

P - Donnie Jones
K - Redford Jones


The Smiths have more Pro Bowl players across the board, but the Jonses have more Hall of Famers. The OL and DL of the Jones team look better, but I like the skill players of the Smiths better. The kicking unit for the Jones team lacks quality - there's only been one punter named Jones that I could find on pro-football-reference and he never actually played.

 

[Jimbodandy]

That's impressive in short order.

I think the Smiths have better O, and the Joneses better D. Would be an interesting game.

 

[Shelterdog]

You know if you just count super bowl performances Timmy Smith might be your running back.

 

[Ale Xander]

You know if you just count super bowl performances Timmy Smith might be your running back.

I’m gonna go with the guy with more sample size in super bowls and 3 rings, but Timmy would be a good change of pace back

 

[Salem's Lot]

Challenge accepted.

All-time Smith team:

QB - Alex Smith (PB)
RB - Emmitt Smith (HOF) - Robert Smith (PB), Antowain Smith
WR - DeVonta Smith (PB)
WR - Jimmy Smith (PB)
WR - Rod Smith (PB) - Steve Smith (PB) - hard to know which 3 of these 4 to have, but Steve Smith (Panthers) was awesome
TE - Jackie Smith (HOF)
OL - Tyron Smith (PB)
OL - Jim Ray Smith (PB)
OL - Doug Smith (PB)
OL - Wade Smith (PB)
OL - Tyron Smith (PB)

DE - Bruce Smith (HOF)
DT - Bubba Smith (PB)
DT - Paul Smith (PB)
DE - Justin Smith (PB) or Neil Smith (PB)
LB - Jaylon Smith (PB)
LB - Roquan Smith (PB)
LB - Telvin Smith (PB)
CB - Jimmy Smith
CB - Ron Smith (PB)
S - Harrison Smith (PB)
S - Dennis Smith (PB)

P - Hunter Smith
K - John Smith (PB)


All-time Jones team:

QB - Bert Jones (PB)
RB - Aaron Jones (PB)
WR - Homer Jones (PB)
WR - Jacoby Jones (PB)
WR - Julio Jones (PB)
TE - Brent Jones (PB)
OL - Stan Jones (HOF)
OL - Tony Jones (PB)
OL - Walter Jones (HOF)
OL - Ben Jones (PB)
OL - Clarence Jones

DE - Ed Jones (HOF) - Chandler Jones (PB), Sean Jones (PB)
DT - Chris Jones (PB)
DT - Cody Jones (PB)
DE - Deacon Jones (HOF)
LB - Deion Jones (PB)
LB - Dhani Jones
LB - Joseph Jones
CB - Adam Jones (PB)
CB - Byron Jones (PB)
S - Henry Jones (PB)
S - Tebucky Jones

P - Donnie Jones
K - Redford Jones


The Smiths have more Pro Bowl players across the board, but the Smiths have more Hall of Famers. The OL and DL of the Jones team look better, but I like the skill players of the Smiths better. The kicking unit for the Jones team lacks quality - there's only been one punter named Jones that I could find on pro-football-reference and he never actually played.

This is outstanding work.

 

[jezza1918]

Challenge accepted.

All-time Smith team:

QB - Alex Smith (PB)
RB - Emmitt Smith (HOF) - Robert Smith (PB), Antowain Smith
WR - DeVonta Smith (PB)
WR - Jimmy Smith (PB)
WR - Rod Smith (PB) - Steve Smith (PB) - hard to know which 3 of these 4 to have, but Steve Smith (Panthers) was awesome
TE - Jackie Smith (HOF)
OL - Tyron Smith (PB)
OL - Jim Ray Smith (PB)
OL - Doug Smith (PB)
OL - Wade Smith (PB)
OL - Tyron Smith (PB)

DE - Bruce Smith (HOF)
DT - Bubba Smith (PB)
DT - Paul Smith (PB)
DE - Justin Smith (PB) or Neil Smith (PB)
LB - Jaylon Smith (PB)
LB - Roquan Smith (PB)
LB - Telvin Smith (PB)
CB - Jimmy Smith
CB - Ron Smith (PB)
S - Harrison Smith (PB)
S - Dennis Smith (PB)

P - Hunter Smith
K - John Smith (PB)


All-time Jones team:

QB - Bert Jones (PB)
RB - Aaron Jones (PB)
WR - Homer Jones (PB)
WR - Jacoby Jones (PB)
WR - Julio Jones (PB)
TE - Brent Jones (PB)
OL - Stan Jones (HOF)
OL - Tony Jones (PB)
OL - Walter Jones (HOF)
OL - Ben Jones (PB)
OL - Clarence Jones

DE - Ed Jones (HOF) - Chandler Jones (PB), Sean Jones (PB)
DT - Chris Jones (PB)
DT - Cody Jones (PB)
DE - Deacon Jones (HOF)
LB - Deion Jones (PB)
LB - Dhani Jones
LB - Joseph Jones
CB - Adam Jones (PB)
CB - Byron Jones (PB)
S - Henry Jones (PB)
S - Tebucky Jones

P - Donnie Jones
K - Redford Jones


The Smiths have more Pro Bowl players across the board, but the Smiths have more Hall of Famers. The OL and DL of the Jones team look better, but I like the skill players of the Smiths better. The kicking unit for the Jones team lacks quality - there's only been one punter named Jones that I could find on pro-football-reference and he never actually played.

As others have noted this is increidble, especially on such short order. My only minor quibble would be the inclusion of Devonta ahead of one of the other Smiths, at this point anyway. He's certainly on track to produce like the other 3, but each of those guys have between 11ish-14,000+ career receiving yards. Devonta is at 2,000.

 

[BaseballJones]

As others have noted this is increidble, especially on such short order. My only minor quibble would be the inclusion of Devonta ahead of one of the other Smiths, at this point anyway. He's certainly on track to produce like the other 3, but each of those guys have between 11ish-14,000+ career receiving yards. Devonta is at 2,000.

Thanks, and yes I agree. DeVonta would be behind the other three. Steve Smith (Panthers, not Giants) would be the WR1.

 

[Jake Peavy's Demons]

Challenge accepted.

RB - Aaron Jones (PB)

Does Maurice Jones-Drew get a shout? Or is that technically not a 'Jones'? Also, nobody said the obvious yet: username checks out.

 

[BaseballJones]

Does Maurice Jones-Drew get a shout? Or is that technically not a 'Jones'? Also, nobody said the obvious yet: username checks out.

Haha I thought about MJD but declined because of the hyphenated name.

 

[Ale Xander]

You should temporarily change your username to FootballJones

 

[catomatic]

Fun digression!

In case SoSH’s cultural memory doesn’t stretch back this far into the past: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alias_Smith_and_Jones

I loved this show as a wee lad.

 

[FL4WL3SS]

Ok now who's coaching?

 

[Ale Xander]

Jerry Jones player/coach/gm/owner

Ok maybe not player


Dean Smith coaches the other side (yeah I know different sport) with assistance from Antoine Smith, the director of Football Initiatives (assistant to 3 straight BC bowl teams)

 

[chilidawg]

Smiths are the new Joneses.

Major change in team building strategy.