Final Patriots Roster Projection

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The Athletic had an interesting article about who they see as "the best NFL players cut prior to 53-man roster deadline? One pick for all 32 teams"

Some interesting possibilities at Patriot positions of need:
QB: McCoy and Will Grier (DAL)
RB: Derrick Gore (KC/WAS), SaRoderick Thompson (SEA), Donovan Knight (NYJ), Myles Gaskin (MIA), La'Michael Perrine (KC)
OL: Michael Dunn (CLE), Germaine Ifedi (DET), Zack Bailey (LAC)
TE: Travis Vokolek (BAL), Zack Gentry (PIT)

A couple of familiar names round here from the article: Philip Dorsett, JoeJuan Williams
 
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Jimbodandy said:
To be fair the local media is just stirring up a shitstorm because they need ears and eyeballs, but your point is perfectly valid.
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It's just so incredibly frustrating because these guys are the ones who supposedly have the perspective and nuance to put cut down day moves into perspective, and instead they simply add to the feeding frenzy of ignorance.

It's shocking how poorly fans are served by the vast majority of the local sports media.
 
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Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
It's just so incredibly frustrating because these guys are the ones who supposedly have the perspective and nuance to put cut down day moves into perspective, and instead they simply add to the feeding frenzy of ignorance.

It's shocking how poorly fans are served by the vast majority of the local sports media.
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It’s especially dumb given that this is a team that has no elite WRs so it makes even more sense to cast a wider net to see if a young guy like TT, Douglas, or Boutte pops in 2023.
 
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BaseballJones said:
Exactly. They'll try to stash Cunningham on the PS, maybe Zappe too (though he seems to actually have fallen out of favor in Foxboro). They'll look to add a veteran QB who can pick up the offense quickly - maybe one who has experience with BOB. They'll add at least one RB for week 1 (maybe that's all they'd need for week 1). They'll likely cut an OL once all the health concerns shake out. Probably cut Wade or Bryant (Wade more likely) to make room for one of these additions. Maybe move Thornton to IR.

Lots of movement still to go, but it's also true that it's a super weird and interesting initial 53.
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What QB’s have experience with BOB, though?Case Keenum is on the Texans roster. Ryan Mallet is dead. Don’t think Bryce Young is available. AJ McCarron? Brian Hoyer? Tom Brady?
 
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Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
It's just so incredibly frustrating because these guys are the ones who supposedly have the perspective and nuance to put cut down day moves into perspective, and instead they simply add to the feeding frenzy of ignorance.

It's shocking how poorly fans are served by the vast majority of the local sports media.
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The local media with regards to the Patriots have been waiting for years to rip into the team, specifically Belichick, this entire preseason has been non stop negativity, everything they do gets dissected and put under a microscope, just a constant barrage of negativity from Bedard, Giardi, Jones, Felger, Holley, Gasper, Casey, on and on and on.

They have no perspective, all they do is take out the knives and start carving, it's old, tiring and boring.
 
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I dunno, it’s kind of amusing to read some local media commentary like ‘this will change within a day, but they have 11 OL, 1 QB, 2 RB, 1 true TE, and here’s why that’s bad!’

Bedard literally called their approach to the cutdown ‘crazy.’
 
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Bedard is perhaps the worst of them all. He's incredibly condescending and arrogant.

Like, why on earth do I have to go to Reddit or Twitter and find the very salient point about how other teams are constructed at this point of the pre-season? That info actually adds to my knowledge and gives me an idea of how the Pats approach roster cut downs. Why can't the so-called experts do that? It's really insane.
 
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Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Bedard is perhaps the worst of them all. He's incredibly condescending and arrogant.

Like, why on earth do I have to go to Reddit or Twitter and find the very salient point about how other teams are constructed at this point of the pre-season? That info actually adds to my knowledge and gives me an idea of how the Pats approach roster cut downs. Why can't the so-called experts do that? It's really insane.
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Yup, and that's why part of why I cancelled my BSJ subscription. Bedard's post-game video breakdowns are excellent. But his day-to-day coverage is nonsense. Once McAdam left the value of his site plummeted.
 
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View: https://twitter.com/michaelFhurley/status/1696637686516248990?s=20


Like, this article actually helps. Short answer: "He stinks." Longer answer shows stats, results, performance, struggles in the pre-season, notes fumbles, etc.

This wasn't a hard article for Hurley to write. Hell, even if his conclusion was "The Pats should have kept him active," this article is factual and doesn't reek of attention-seeking by the author. We got nothing like that from Bedard, Volin and friends.
 
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Saints Rest said:
The Athletic had an interesting article about who they see as "the best NFL players cut prior to 53-man roster deadline? One pick for all 32 teams"

Some interesting possibilities at Patriot positions of need:
QB: McCoy and Will Grier (DAL)
RB: Derrick Gore (KC/WAS), SaRoderick Thompson (SEA), Donovan Knight (NYJ), Myles Gaskin (MIA), La'Michael Perrine (KC)
OL: Michael Dunn (CLE), Germaine Ifedi (DET), Zack Bailey (LAC)
TE: Travis Vokolek (BAL), Zack Gentry (PIT)

A couple of familiar names round here from the article: Philip Dorsett, JoeJuan Williams
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Will Grier signed with the Bengals
 
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Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
View: https://twitter.com/michaelFhurley/status/1696637686516248990?s=20


Like, this article actually helps. Short answer: "He stinks." Longer answer shows stats, results, performance, struggles in the pre-season, notes fumbles, etc.

This wasn't a hard article for Hurley to write. Hell, even if his conclusion was "The Pats should have kept him active," this article is factual and doesn't reek of attention-seeking by the author. We got nothing like that from Bedard, Volin and friends.
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Hurley is usually pretty level headed in his work. I almost always like reading his stuff.
 
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Just makes sense to carry 6 receivers considering Thornton is probably going to be IR'ed and of their top 3 guys, Juju and Parker have injury concerns. The OL is a similar deal, injuries and a wide open spot at RT precipitate having more guys to throw at that spot, and if Reiff is IR'd they'll be carrying 10 linemen, which is normal. The roster will likely look a lot more "traditional" in terms of positional breakdown before the opener, I don't even know if it makes sense to talk about it in those terms at this point.
 
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With the way the preseason played out, I’m ok with this approach.
They didn’t get really any time to evaluate the planned starting OL, had injuries that affected depth on the line so Bill decided to carry the one or 2 extra for this long stretch until the first game.
There was not going to be any QB competition between now and the Philly game so why do we need a backup right now? Use that slot to add a player to a group where competition can still exist.
Either Zappe is back or they sign a vet. Given Zappes struggles during the preseason, finding someone to replicate that won’t be a challenge.
 
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Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
The Pats kept 11 OL and 6 WRs on the roster. The local media is going insane over this.

Yet:
Jets: 10 OL, 7 WR
Dolphins: 10 OL, 6 WR
Bills: 9 and 6
Chiefs: 10 and 7

There's nothing atypical about these numbers for this time of year. Every team is going to make changes, perhaps a lot of changes, to their roster by the time Game 1 rolls around.
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If the Pats cut or traded Parker or Bourne or JuJu for late round draft picks: "You know Mike, Bill keeps bringing in these guys for a lot of money and ends up having to trade them for peanuts because they end up being total bums."

If the Pats instead cut Thornton: "Yep, another 2nd round bust by the most overrated GM". [They may be correct about the bust part, but we'll see]

If the Pats cut Douglas or Boutte: "Why they hell do they keep drafting these bums in the 6th round when they can't even make the team?"

Could do the same exercise on the OL.
 
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If the Pats cut or traded Parker or Bourne or JuJu for late round draft picks: "You know Mike, Bill keeps bringing in these guys for a lot of money and ends up having to trade them for peanuts because they end up being total bums."

If the Pats instead cut Thornton: "Yep, another 2nd round bust by the most overrated GM". [They may be correct about the bust part, but we'll see]

If the Pats cut Douglas or Boutte: "Why they hell do they keep drafting these bums in the 6th round when they can't even make the team?"

Could do the same exercise on the OL.
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Exactly. I mean, every other team in the NFL is cutting a million guys they drafted early, drafted late, signed as free agents, or traded for.
 
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lexrageorge said:
If the Pats cut or traded Parker or Bourne or JuJu for late round draft picks: "You know Mike, Bill keeps bringing in these guys for a lot of money and ends up having to trade them for peanuts because they end up being total bums."

If the Pats instead cut Thornton: "Yep, another 2nd round bust by the most overrated GM". [They may be correct about the bust part, but we'll see]

If the Pats cut Douglas or Boutte: "Why they hell do they keep drafting these bums in the 6th round when they can't even make the team?"

Could do the same exercise on the OL.
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I think it is more unusual for 2 6th rd WR to actually make the opening 53 than the other way around which is a bit exciting though tempered a bit when you look at the WR depth chart.
 
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Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Bedard is perhaps the worst of them all. He's incredibly condescending and arrogant.

Like, why on earth do I have to go to Reddit or Twitter and find the very salient point about how other teams are constructed at this point of the pre-season? That info actually adds to my knowledge and gives me an idea of how the Pats approach roster cut downs. Why can't the so-called experts do that? It's really insane.
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I thank Ganesh for this place. It's too hard to find non-clickbait content on ones own.

Even some of our regulars here who are bigtime Pats/Belichick skeptics are not freaking out over the Tuesday roster. For reporters & talking heads, it's another opportunity though.
 
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boca said:
Is Giardi reliable?

View: https://twitter.com/MikeGiardi/status/1696915791487152265?s=20


I'm told the #Patriots preference remains bringing in a veteran option to be the #2 to Mac Jones.
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Normally, yes.

It would not surprise me if they go down that path. The main goal of a #2 QB is to do a competent job managing at most a handful of games in case the #1 gets hurt. It's conceivable that BB and BoB do not necessarily trust Zappe to fill such a role, especially given his performance in the preseason.
 
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Van Everyman said:
We need to stop talking about Zappe in the past tense. As of now, it seems the odds are high that he's back by EOD.
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He'll probably make it through waivers but we won't know until later today. Teams had until 12 ET to submit claim and the NFL will notify teams by 1 PM ET today. Teams then have an hour to make corresponding move. If he does clear, Patriots might still decide to move on.
Or Zappe could decide to sign onto some other team's practice squad. I think that's the least likely scenario but is a possibility.
 
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Adding Zappe to the PS and a veteran backup would make a lot of sense, Zappe isn't a guy you need on the roster really. Problem is I'm not sure who the vet backup is... McCoy looked a bit washed last year and is dinged up.
 
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His most likely backup spot is NE so this makes sense. Why sign elsewhere to be on a PS?

Of course, a lot depends on NE potentially signing a vet backup.
 
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Cellar-Door said:
Adding Zappe to the PS and a veteran backup would make a lot of sense, Zappe isn't a guy you need on the roster really. Problem is I'm not sure who the vet backup is... McCoy looked a bit washed last year and is dinged up.
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I think Zappe back on the active roster will happen, and likely explains why he chose the NEP PS over others. Shockingly, this likely was communicated to him and choreographed in advance. The only risk was that another team claimed him outright, which I think we all agree was quite low.
 
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I think Zappe back on the active roster will happen, and likely explains why he chose the NEP PS over others. Shockingly, this likely was communicated to him and choreographed in advance. The only risk was that another team claimed him outright, which I think we all agree was quite low.
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Is there any requirement in this waiver window where someone claimed off waivers has to go straight to active roster or could someone be claimed directly to the new team's PS?
 
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Saints Rest said:
Is there any requirement in this waiver window where someone claimed off waivers has to go straight to active roster or could someone be claimed directly to the new team's PS?
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A waiver claim has to go onto the active roster. After clearing, Zappe could theoretically have signed with any PS
 
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Saints Rest said:
Is there any requirement in this waiver window where someone claimed off waivers has to go straight to active roster or could someone be claimed directly to the new team's PS?
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Waiver claimed players must go on the 53; they cannot be signed to the practice squad until they clear waivers (which happened as of noon today).
 
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So Evan Lazar and really many of the folks here have taken BB to task on flubbing the O-line construction and particularly RT in the off-season where Andre Dillard would have been an easy get - a dime and BB opts for 2 nickels - or unnecessarily drafting Jake Andrews when Dawand Jones would have solved a greater area of need. And so now we end up with 11 OT on the roster and something the coaches will need to solve over the next few weeks.
The take is that this is an unforced error, that the Pats put themselves in this hole when it could have easily been avoided.
And that argument makes sense. But what I can’t square is why? I mean he may not be infallible - certainly last years staff didn’t connect and the top end of the 2022 draft has question marks - but BB has seen everything and is intimately familiar with his team. And has a very seasoned offensive coordinator now as another set of eyes.
Is he avoiding contracts to load up for a spree next year? Or re-sign core guys for the next run?
Or just get younger? Or get guys suited to BOB’s scheme?
There has to be some team building strategy here.
This has felt like a secretive or at least low information pre-season - at least the games. They’ve kept a lot of players and plays from getting on film. The OL is alarming but then it’s not the starters and a chance to see their depth which is raw. Obviously can’t have Mac get killed but I’m optimistic the offense will surprise. So much hinges on the OTs.
 
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So Evan Lazar and really many of the folks here have taken BB to task on flubbing the O-line construction and particularly RT in the off-season where Andre Dillard would have been an easy get - a dime and BB opts for 2 nickels - or unnecessarily drafting Jake Andrews when Dawand Jones would have solved a greater area of need. And so now we end up with 11 OT on the roster and something the coaches will need to solve over the next few weeks.
The take is that this is an unforced error, that the Pats put themselves in this hole when it could have easily been avoided.
And that argument makes sense. But what I can’t square is why? I mean he may not be infallible - certainly last years staff didn’t connect and the top end of the 2022 draft has question marks - but BB has seen everything and is intimately familiar with his team. And has a very seasoned offensive coordinator now as another set of eyes.
Is he avoiding contracts to load up for a spree next year? Or re-sign core guys for the next run?
Or just get younger? Or get guys suited to BOB’s scheme?
There has to be some team building strategy here.
This has felt like a secretive or at least low information pre-season - at least the games. They’ve kept a lot of players and plays from getting on film. The OL is alarming but then it’s not the starters and a chance to see their depth which is raw. Obviously can’t have Mac get killed but I’m optimistic the offense will surprise. So much hinges on the OTs.
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Free Agent contracts are a two way street. Sometimes guys would just rather sign somewhere else.
 
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Fair enough. But is that true of all 5-6 decent OT’s in FA? Or bypassing Dawand Jones for a backup C?
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Well they signed Anderson and Reiff. Anderson has been out on NFI until recently, Reiff has at least been good at guard thus far.

I have no idea if Jones is any good, but drafting 3 interior guys does seem a little off. Pretty hard to tell if these were good decisions or not until we start seeing the starters play real football.
 
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