Are you a Canadiens fan?the1andonly3003 said:going to enjoy F&M ripping the Bruins to shreds today
ForKeeps said:I love how Felger is touting his NBA lottery prediction. Like, dude, this is literally like me telling you I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 10 and you going around to people saying, "I know it's 6, you watch."
Although it suddenly occurs to me that he is the kind of person to actually believe there is a conspiracy to give it to LA or Boston. You know, cause we've had so much luck in past lotteries.
NortheasternPJ said:
Where was Felger on at 6:02am today?
So the only way to prove he's not a liar is to trade down, and then he becomes Bill Belichick?mcpickl said:- Ainge might be lying all year about this draft being overrated so if he doesn't land in top 3, he can trade into top 3.
- If Ainge keeps his pick instead of trading it, he's proved that he's a liar because he said the draft is overrated.
Harry Hooper said:Bertrand: "Manny Ramirez already at the ballpark. First time he's ever been early." = FAIL
Sparky Lyle said:
How so?
Sparky Lyle said:
How so?
And what really bothers me is that I agree with him 100%. Great hitter, terrible individual.
John Marzano Olympic Hero said:
What does it matter what kind of individual he is? Do you know him personally? You know rumor and you know second-hand information. None of this is material to what Manny Ramirez meant to your life from 2001-2008.
John Marzano Olympic Hero said:Manny apologized, McCormack accepted his apology. What more do you want? People make errors in judgement all the time.
Ted Williams was a bit of an asshole. Larry Bird got into a bar fight the night before a playoff game and has a daughter from a previous marriage that he doesn't acknowledge (or didn't -- I have no idea what the relationship is these days). Jordan, Babe Ruth, Magic all have/had flaws which wouldn't get them invited to the Vatican for canonization.
It doesn't matter though because these people are athletes, nothing more. Why is it that a man who can crush a 95 MPH fastball also has to be St. Francis of Assisi? Why do we expect this out of athletes but not from politicians, actors or other walks of life?
And further more, we only know a small fraction of what these people are like in "real life". I bet that if you look hard enough, the guy who you think is a solid citizen was a jerk to someone. When Manny smoked that KRod pitch in the playoffs a few years back, I didn't care about Manny the man, I cared about Manny the Ref Sock.
John Marzano Olympic Hero said:
What does it matter what kind of individual he is? Do you know him personally? You know rumor and you know second-hand information. None of this is material to what Manny Ramirez meant to your life from 2001-2008.
John Marzano Olympic Hero said:
What does it matter what kind of individual he is? Do you know him personally? You know rumor and you know second-hand information. None of this is material to what Manny Ramirez meant to your life from 2001-2008.
"It doesn't matter" is an opinion and I don't know why it's so hard to understand that some people don't agree with that statement. Also, if it doesn't matter why do you feel it's necessary to point out that he apologized? It doesn't matter, remember? Is there a line? Does it bother you that a pitcher on the Rays raped a woman?
I know that Manny quit on his team in 2008. He felt that he could get one more large contract, except that the Red Sox held two one-year options for 2009/10 and he was determined to get out of those options. In the end, he got his way, with a trade to LA predicated on the fact that they wouldn't pick up the options. He went on to produce more in the last two months of 2008 than he had in the first four months with the Sox. The Sox went on to lose 4-3 in the ALCS vs the Rays.
F'k Manny Ramirez. I couldn't watch the ceremonies because of that asshole. I'm glad he's found Jesus, but I bet Jesus isn't too happy about it.
John Marzano Olympic Hero said:.....
Right. Because Manny Ramirez is the first athlete to shoot his way out of town. No one, certainly not St. Wayne Gretzky, ever has done that before in the history of professional athletics. And the guy that they received in return for Manny, Jay Ray Bay, had a pretty decent two months 293/370/527 with nine home runs. The Red Sox ran into a very good Tampa Bay team, there was no shame in losing to them.
That's a stupid, silly reason for not watching a really cool event. I'm glad that you showed Manny. BTW, when you were sitting next to your protest buddies Cafardo, Shaughnessy and Callahan, which one farts the most. I bet it's Cafardo (Ca-FART-o!) but I bet Callahan rips some good ones. I'm right, aren't I?
And Jesus Montero plays in Seattle, though I believe he's on the DL. Did him and Manny have a fight?
WenZink said:But I understand the reverence fanboys and pink-hats have for their Manny
His conduct runs counter to a tenent of my belief system
But I understand the reverence fanboys and pink-hats have for their Manny,
His conduct runs counter to a tenent of my belief system. When a rich man fails to honor his contract and then intentionally tries to sabotage the agreement, he's an a-hole.
WenZink said:
Now find me a significant player who quit like Manny Ramirez. His conduct runs counter to a tenent of my belief system. When a rich man fails to honor his contract and then intentionally tries to sabotage the agreement, he's an a-hole. End of story. Jesus has torgive him, but I don't.
Red(s)HawksFan said:.351/.467/.622, 2 HR, 8 RBI, 8 R
That's Manny's line in his last 10 games in a Boston uniform. That's not the line put up by a guy who quit and "sabotaged" the team. If they hold on to him at the deadline and he finishes 2008 in Boston, "knee-gate" is just another comedic Manny-being-Manny blip along side "Manny is back and he's back BIG" and dinner with Enrique Wilson.
Red(s)HawksFan said:.351/.467/.622, 2 HR, 8 RBI, 8 R
That's Manny's line in his last 10 games in a Boston uniform. That's not the line put up by a guy who quit and "sabotaged" the team. If they hold on to him at the deadline and he finishes 2008 in Boston, "knee-gate" is just another comedic Manny-being-Manny blip along side "Manny is back and he's back BIG" and dinner with Enrique Wilson.
Smiling Joe Hesketh said:It's telling that the predictable pricks in the media have all lined up to tell us what horrid people we are for enjoying Manny's return the other night. Mazz, as noted in this thread. CHB had a lovely foot-stamping article about it in today's Globe; his sulkiness is so pure it's hilarious. D&C, naturally. I mean...the very worst, most miserable public assholes in the media are all grumping around about this....you really sure you wanna throw your hat in the ring with the likes of them?
Our own Buffalo Head said this on FB and I agree wholeheartedly: it's OK if some of us embrace what happened on Wed. night without irony or cynicism.
joe dokes said:
Ironically -- as it relates to Manny -- Mazz, CHB, D&C are also examples of people who *never* change, learn or grow, regardless of external circumstances or their own experiences. And if the D&C thread was accurate, they ascribe that particular strain of abject immaturity (never changing, learning or growing) to all members of the human race.
I never realized Gretzky "shot his way out of town." I guess I forgot the part where he faked a knee injury during a pennant race, and then when he went for an MRI, forgot what knee was "injured." And I erased from my mind the time Gretzky had an open shot on goal and purposely fanned on the puck.
Now find me a significant player who quit like Manny Ramirez. His conduct runs counter to a tenent of my belief system. When a rich man fails to honor his contract and then intentionally tries to sabotage the agreement, he's an a-hole. End of story. Jesus has torgive him, but I don't.
But I understand the reverence fanboys and pink-hats have for their Manny, which is why I didn't bring up the point in the Sox 10th Anniversary thread on the main board, and why I didn't bring it up until after the event. I know the deal with most fans. Manny will always be celebrated in Boston, by many, because he was a great hitter.
If he'd been a mediocre hitter he'd be remembered as a bad man.
When Lackey was dealing with a bum elbow, many fans saw him as an asshole and a clubhouse cancer. Since Lackey rehabbed from his elbow surgery and he's pitching well, fans notice the change in Lackey as a person and how he's now a mentor to young players, no longer a clubhouse pariah. Beckett used to "Josh Effin' Beckett" when he was one of the best in the league, but once his performance fell off a cliff, his coarse, taciturn manner turned his perception into being an a-hole and a terrible influence in the clubhouse. I have news for you; neither Lackey or Beckett changed off the field, it's just that the fans' perception changed because of their performance on the field.
Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Exactly.
Tangentially, Bruce Allen over at BSMW has an excellent front page column today on this topic. He's focusing on a Minihane article, but that article essentially parrot's CHB's and Mazz' articles, and Bruce rebuts some of the assertions these guys have made about the ceremony Wed night. Well worth a read.
John Marzano Olympic Hero said:.....
Stop it. You sound insane, but you do have part of the point. Manny was a great hitter and his on-field exploits should be celebrated. You are aware that he didn't murder or rape anyone, right?
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Exactly. One could even make the point that it was the Red Sox who quit on Manny.Red(s)HawksFan said:.351/.467/.622, 2 HR, 8 RBI, 8 R
That's Manny's line in his last 10 games in a Boston uniform. That's not the line put up by a guy who quit and "sabotaged" the team. If they hold on to him at the deadline and he finishes 2008 in Boston, "knee-gate" is just another comedic Manny-being-Manny blip along side "Manny is back and he's back BIG" and dinner with Enrique Wilson.
WenZink said:
As I said earlier, I get it. I understand the "requirements" of being a "true fan." I just don't agree with them.