fangraphs: .314 + .21 - 0.162 (batting!)Savin Hillbilly said:
Where are those numbers from? BBref has Lester at .50 WPA through last night (.201 for game 1, .303 for game 5).
fangraphs: .314 + .21 - 0.162 (batting!)Savin Hillbilly said:
Where are those numbers from? BBref has Lester at .50 WPA through last night (.201 for game 1, .303 for game 5).
Agreed. It was 10/26 that killed himBucknahs Bum Ankle said:
K Uehara (0.15)
The system is broken.
SumnerH said:HOF has to be a lock now, right? This is absurd.
They voted in Paul Molitor, who spent more time at DH than anywhere else (~1200 of his ~2700 games).bankshot1 said:At some point HoF voters are going to recognize the DH, which has been around for 40 years, as a legitimate position in baseball. If closers can by voted in, (I think there are 5) then DHs will be, and when they are there are two guys who go in, Papi and Edgar. The PED issue for Papi is tricky, and to the extent its held against him years from now will be interesting.
Brianish said:
I remember Pap describing part of it on Letterman. It apparently included the line 'You're wearing a Boston Red Sox jersey. That means you're a bad mother-fucker.'
SaveBooFerriss said:
Unfortunately, there are some voters that either ignore or severely discount post season accomplishments when evaluating HOF credentials. I never understood that.
went9 said:Big Papi's triple slash after 5 World Series games in 2013: .733/.750/1.267... my God.
15AB, 5R, 11H, 2HR, 2 2B, 6RBI, 4BB, and with all the SO's in this series, Zero Strike Outs for the Big Guy.
Bring home the hardware David Ortiz.
smastroyin said:I'd love to see what would happen if David Ortiz had to pitch.
I don't know what voters consider, but I do remember that Roberto Clemente felt that the 1971 WS was his moment on the big stage when he could showcase his talents before a national audience. His 1.210 OPS (together with some great performances in the outfield) greatly burnished his reputation, increasing his chances of getting into the HOF. Now there are obvious differences between his situation and that of David Ortiz, but when you consider that David's OPS in 3 WS combined (1.370) exceeds that of Clemente's highlight reel of 1971, it seems as though his performance should help him, just as Clemente's did.NatetheGreat said:
Yeah, I can understand not counting a lack of postseason success against a player, since players have so little control over whether they get the opportunity to perform in the postseason. But if they do get the opportunity and take advantage of it, not counting postseason success for a player seems bizarre. "These are the most important games you'll play in your entire career, but when evaluating whether your career is HoF worthy, we're going to ignore them" doesn't really make any sense.
Well, 20% of the distance from 1B to 2B. He's averaging a base and change.Mr. Wednesday said:Uh, isn't he averaging getting about 20% of the way to second?
shepard50 said:1.370 is an amazing OPS for 3 World Series. I wondered what David Ortiz' OPS is in this Series in its own. Through Game 5 his slash line looks like this:
.733/.750/1.267. giving him a 2.017 OPS.
In other words, David is averaging getting to 2b....or, in fact, a little better.
Not at all. The difficult part was seeing the little yellow row with 2013 above the totals row. Thank you for that.CoRP said:
So you're saying that Drew is the MVP candidate, because of his defense...?RSN Diaspora said:
JohntheBaptist said:Well, 20% of the distance from 1B to 2B. He's averaging a base and change.
JohntheBaptist said:Well, 20% of the distance from 1B to 2B. He's averaging a base and change.
I have repeatedly agitated for just retiring it now. Why wait?NomarRS05 said:He gets his number retired in Fenway either way. Has to.
CoRP said:Deadspin:
Where Does David Ortiz Rank Among The Best World Series Hitters Ever
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Edgar Renteria! Yay!
Yes, I did. I am a spelling nerd too, but I won't correct it as I'm too happy right now. Let everything ride.SumnerH said:You misspelled "transcendental".
/I'mAJerk
It was obvious a long time ago that Ortiz changed approach...it happened around the same time Adrian Gonzalez got here. His K rate plummeted (i mean PLUMMETED) and his walk rate essentially stayed the same. Once that happened, Ortiz recaptured his title of one of the most feared hitters in the league. He still had power, but just not quite to the extent he did in his prime, but it was fully good enough. Ortiz honestly has one of the weirdest career paths in terms of hitting metrics you will ever see. I'm not sure you can find a match for his power peak and then a resurgance with that declined K rate with still good power that he has now.h8mfy said:Papi just described to the MLB guys how his approach has changed "since his prime" and he now stays focused on his plan where he used to get thrown off by a single pitch because of his youthful ability to drive the ball even when it was not what he was looking for.
Elder batsman, indeed.
singaporesoxfan said:In Chinese numerology .688 means "flowing double prosperity". May Ortiz's prosperity flow infinitely.
TFisNEXT said:It was obvious a long time ago that Ortiz changed approach...it happened around the same time Adrian Gonzalez got here. His K rate plummeted (i mean PLUMMETED) and his walk rate essentially stayed the same. Once that happened, Ortiz recaptured his title of one of the most feared hitters in the league. He still had power, but just not quite to the extent he did in his prime, but it was fully good enough. Ortiz honestly has one of the weirdest career paths in terms of hitting metrics you will ever see. I'm not sure you can find a match for his power peak and then a resurgance with that declined K rate with still good power that he has now.
Lose Remerswaal said:Still needs 2 hits to catch Marty Barrett for most hits by a Red Sox player in a World Series.
soxfan121 said:
I saw this factoid on a FOX graphic last night and it blew my mind. How big a legend around here would Marty Barrett be if...? Damn. We'd probably be the Sons of Marty Barrett.
And the Elder Batsman...I wouldn't mind renaming this place the Sons of David Ortiz. Sam is jerk and the ennui that led to the original name no longer exists. Because of the greatest player to wear #34 since Rich Garces...David Fucking Ortiz.
Turn on your ability to see signatures. I've had that top line since Game 4 of the 2004 ALCS, when it was written by some NYYFans.com poster. "If we had Ortiz we could still be chanting 1918 at games." David Ortiz erased 1918, not by himself, but more than anyone. Erased it from all the notable factoids about this team. Made it irrelevant. David Ortiz changed Boston baseball forever. Our Sons of David Ortiz will not care about any of the baggage Red Sox fans had in the past. They will only know the team that David Fucking Ortiz Built...a three time World Series winner, The Elder Batsman of October, the best motherfucking postseason hitter ever and the man who proclaimed that this is OUR FUCKING CITY.
Sons of David Ortiz. So say we all.
soxfan121 said:
I saw this factoid on a FOX graphic last night and it blew my mind. How big a legend around here would Marty Barrett be if...? Damn. We'd probably be the Sons of Marty Barrett.
And the Elder Batsman...I wouldn't mind renaming this place the Sons of David Ortiz. Sam is jerk and the ennui that led to the original name no longer exists. Because of the greatest player to wear #34 since Rich Garces...David Fucking Ortiz.
Turn on your ability to see signatures. I've had that top line since Game 4 of the 2004 ALCS, when it was written by some NYYFans.com poster. "If we had Ortiz we could still be chanting 1918 at games." David Ortiz erased 1918, not by himself, but more than anyone. Erased it from all the notable factoids about this team. Made it irrelevant. David Ortiz changed Boston baseball forever. Our Sons of David Ortiz will not care about any of the baggage Red Sox fans had in the past. They will only know the team that David Fucking Ortiz Built...a three time World Series winner, The Elder Batsman of October, the best motherfucking postseason hitter ever and the man who proclaimed that this is OUR FUCKING CITY.
Sons of David Ortiz. So say we all.
TFisNEXT said:There was still a question in the eyes of the voters going into tonight. If they lost the next two games then he would merely be remembered as an amazing clutch hitter who was surrounded in the PED scandal and didn't quite do enough to make his mark to deserve Hall status....but with the win and his obvious MVP, he has cemented himself in the elite.