Danilo Gallinari to the Celtics

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I wasn't expecting a ton from Gallo but a competent end of the rotation player would have been nice.

A bit odd they said it was just a meniscus tear at first after the MRI.

The ACL reconstructions are admittedly a bit harder to interpret on MRI, they can degenerate and partially tear more often than a native ACL. I guess someone else looked at the MRI and had a different opinion than the initial docs.

Usually the final decision is also heavily based on the degree of clinical instability since the MRI can be tricky. This is also a little odd since initial reports said the knee was stable, but that also can sometimes a bit subjective.
 

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Wow that really sucks. Worst part is with luxury tax penalties, it's going to be super tough to replace him unless one of our bench tryouts pops for some reason.

Maybe this means he'll opt into next year.

There is a relatively fine line between working the refs and overworking the refs - and of course the coaching staff probably has a reasonably good handle on this. It can be problematic when a player doesn’t get back on defense because he is jawing about a missed call.
Other than not getting back on defense, I doubt anyone has any understanding whatsoever - beyond what our lyin' eyes tell us - whether "working the refs" is good bad or indifferent.
 

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This blows. When I saw this thread bumped a while back, I was like "Oh shit, I forgot we got Gallo". Then I opened the thread and was like "Oh shit" then there was a moment of relief. Now today it is "Fuck this shit".
 

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This blows. When I saw this thread bumped a while back, I was like "Oh shit, I forgot we got Gallo". Then I opened the thread and was like "Oh shit" then there was a moment of relief. Now today it is "Fuck this shit".
Agreed on your final sentiment. Roller coaster of a week for Gallinari and a real downer bit of news today.
 

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According to ESPN, Gallo is "determined to try and return at some point late in the 2022-23 season. Would be remarkable if he could pull it off.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34508820/boston-celtics-danilo-gallinari-diagnosed-torn-acl-source-says-forward-eyeing-late-season-return
Was thinking he has a shot.... not crazy that he could be back by March/April. He is towards the end of his career and has made his money, wouldn't be surprised if he tries.

Rudy Gay also came to mind as a non-terrible option to round out the rotation. Danny will have fun trying to pry a pick from Brad on that phone call.
 

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So unfortunate. Lock up Melo today, now offering him real minutes. If one of the Jays have to miss a few games, he could easily slot in as a replacement, without upsetting your bench rotation 6-8.
 

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Was thinking he has a shot.... not crazy that he could be back by March/April. He is towards the end of his career and has made his money, wouldn't be surprised if he tries.

Rudy Gay also came to mind as a non-terrible option to round out the rotation. Danny will have fun trying to pry a pick from Brad on that phone call.
Offer him a third rounder.

Seriously though, this is a bummer. Was counting on Gallo to play a meaningful bench role, especially in the playoffs. He clearly fit a need on this team.
 

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Can someone please hire a cleric of every denomination and run every version of an exorcism on the Garden, every office, the training facilities, the paper mill that prints their contracts... every thing possible to shake off whatever is plaguing this team over the last few years? Yeesh.
 

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Boston can apply for a Disabled Player Exception worth $3.2 million and acquire a player who is on an expiring contract. This can be used to sign a current free agent, trade for a rostered player, or claim someone who is waived during training camp as long as Stevens maintains an open roster spot.

Boston still has the $6.9 million TPE that expires on January 19, as well as the $5.9 million TPE from sending Dennis Schröder to Houston that expires on February 10.

Vanderbilt($4M), on Utah, may be interesting
 

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Wow, you guys are incredible. Was just jumping in this thread to suggest a deal built around White for Bogdanovic (who’s basically a better, more durable version of Gallo). Thought I was being super-creative, lol.

I’m just hoping Dealing Danny has enough Celtics left in him not to flip Bojan and Conley to the Lakers for Westbrook and their other garbage.
 

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Wow, you guys are incredible. Was just jumping in this thread to suggest a deal built around White for Bogdanovic (who’s basically a better, more durable version of Gallo). Thought I was being super-creative, lol.

I’m just hoping Dealing Danny has enough Celtics left in him not to flip Bojan and Conley to the Lakers for Westbrook and their other garbage.
If Celts are sold on Brogdon’s health I’d really consider this.
 

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Might also depend how much they believe in Pritchard (and maybe secondarily, JD Davison and/or Brodric Thomas?) But I could kinda see Brown, Smart, a healthy Brodgon, and Pritchard at least somewhat obviating White, much as I like White.
 

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I know Anthony is seen as a liability on defense but wasn’t that also true of Galinari? Anthony can still shoot, and is the only player in league history with over 27k points without a championship. You’d think he might be interested in coming here - why not sign him?
 

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Well some of us (or maybe just me) have always wanted a Bogdanovic (either works) at the right cost.

A much smaller crowd - ok just me - would be amused at having to actually root for Melo. I will be surprised if the Cs go in that direction. Melo seems like the last player Udoka wants in his rotation for obvious reasons. Windmills tilting at windmills and all that.
 

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I know Anthony is seen as a liability on defense but wasn’t that also true of Galinari? Anthony can still shoot, and is the only player in league history with over 27k points without a championship. You’d think he might be interested in coming here - why not sign him?
another thing to take from that (acknowledging it’s idiosyncratic) is that he is not at all a guy you want to try to plug in as a role player isn’t it?
 

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Wow, you guys are incredible. Was just jumping in this thread to suggest a deal built around White for Bogdanovic (who’s basically a better, more durable version of Gallo). Thought I was being super-creative, lol.

I’m just hoping Dealing Danny has enough Celtics left in him not to flip Bojan and Conley to the Lakers for Westbrook and their other garbage.
Ainge would probably be more interested in a future draft pick or reuniting with Begarin with what he’s doing in Utah.
 

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No.

I don’t know why we are so anxious to move Derrick White. He is a great complementary piece on this team with the Jays.
Agreed, we have two guards that have histories of missing games, White is important to this team.

And while Gallinari is a nice piece, I'm not seeing the stress out to replace him. Sure, he would have probably given the team 15-18 minutes off the bench with a couple 3's during the regular season, but how much run can you honestly see him getting in the playoffs due to lack of D? The team should sign a player like Melo to lighten the load, or maybe that guy is already on the roster in a player like Vonleh. If everyone is healthy in the postseason I think Gallinari's role would be extremely situational, and maybe he's back by then
 

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Bojan is an interesting idea, but he's 33 & an impending free agent. & if I was trading White I would want to get back a guy who can cover wings & take some of that load of the Jays.

Side note since I'm on an on/off kick - Robert Covington has a positive on/off all 9 years of his career with 5 different teams (worst season +3.3) & I think he's a much better fit for what Brad/Ime might be looking for to fill in around the Jays.

He's getting kinda old (only 20 months younger than Bojan), but he's on a 2/$24m & feels like he has a game that will age better than Bojan & fit better with this roster.

Clippers still have infinity wings (Kawhi/PG/Batum/Marcus Morris/Norm/TMann) & I think they need a consolidation trade. Not really sure how they line up with the Celtics without a 3rd team, though.
 

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Bring in Melo.

We are an outstanding defensive team. We absolutely can absorb a deficiency there in exchange for his still potent offense off the bench.

I don't get the "we don't need to replace Gallo" angle. If the team felt that the current roster could fill that role they wouldn't have signed him.

We are the Eastern Conference favorites. If ever there was a time to go all in, especially when it doesn't require trade assets, this is the time.
 

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No idea why there’s always such a rush to trade Derrick White around here. And White has more value than Bogdanovic. More team control…the Celtics wouldn’t be adding assets to that deal.
It’s all moot anyway because, as HRB said, Ainge is much more interested in future assets than Derrick White
 

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No idea why there’s always such a rush to trade Derrick White around here. And White has more value than Bogdanovic. More team control…the Celtics wouldn’t be adding assets to that deal.
It’s all moot anyway because, as HRB said, Ainge is much more interested in future assets than Derrick White
The idea is that the guy can’t shoot for shit. I kind of like him as a player but it is not shocking that others don’t after the masonry exhibit he put on during the playoffs.
 

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No idea why there’s always such a rush to trade Derrick White around here. And White has more value than Bogdanovic. More team control…the Celtics wouldn’t be adding assets to that deal.
It’s all moot anyway because, as HRB said, Ainge is much more interested in future assets than Derrick White
Well the reason the Celtics would have to add assets to the deal is White is just as useless to Utah as Bogdanovic, and maybe more so because he has the 3 years. Now i guess if you believe White could be spun off to a third team for more value than they can get for Bogdanovic, then maybe it makes sense, but White's value was a late #1 last year, and certainly hasn't gone up

Or you think Danny will just do what he can to help the Celtics regardless of the value to his team
 

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No idea why there’s always such a rush to trade Derrick White around here. And White has more value than Bogdanovic. More team control…the Celtics wouldn’t be adding assets to that deal.
It’s all moot anyway because, as HRB said, Ainge is much more interested in future assets than Derrick White
He’d be an asset to flip in February.
 

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Well the reason the Celtics would have to add assets to the deal is White is just as useless to Utah as Bogdanovic, and maybe more so because he has the 3 years. Now i guess if you believe White could be spun off to a third team for more value than they can get for Bogdanovic, then maybe it makes sense, but White's value was a late #1 last year, and certainly hasn't gone up

Or you think Danny will just do what he can to help the Celtics regardless of the value to his team
i don’t think either team would believe Celtics would need to add assets, frankly. And I also don’t think either team would be interested in a straight-up deal—White is pretty clearly the better asset, and he doesn’t fit Utah’s timeline so they would only do it to flip him….and that carries risks for them likely not worth taking in vs just trading Bog for icks. And Celtics are unlikely to sell low on him like this anyway.

it has zero to do with Ainge having been here though

people are underestimating White’s value - both scouting/rep wise and statistically. I know he shot poorly in playoffs but NBA teams have a longer view
 

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White's value was a late #1 last year, and certainly hasn't gone up
He was traded for a lot more then a late 1st. White costs the Cs a rotation-level 3&D veteran (Richardson) , a recent lottery pick who has a chance of becoming a 3 & D wing (Romeo), a late 1st and a pick swap..
 

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He was traded for a lot more then a late 1st. White costs the Cs a rotation-level 3&D veteran (Richardson) , a recent lottery pick who has a chance of becoming a 3 & D wing (Romeo), a late 1st and a pick swap..
Romeo and Richardson were salary matching fodder, they had no positive value on their contracts.

A late 1st and a pick swap was the price. In the pick swap year, San Antonio most likely won't want to swap.
 

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Romeo and Richardson were salary matching fodder, they had no positive value on their contracts.

A late 1st and a pick swap was the price. In the pick swap year, San Antonio most likely won't want to swap.
For a guy with no positive value I’d sure love to have Richardson back on the team.
And as disappointing as Langford was the idea that he has no value at all is almost as silly as the implication that the pick swap is worthless..
And I get that you need equal salaries to make trades work, but that doesn’t mean the players connected to those salaries have no value.
 

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i don’t think either team would believe Celtics would need to add assets, frankly. And I also don’t think either team would be interested in a straight-up deal—White is pretty clearly the better asset, and he doesn’t fit Utah’s timeline so they would only do it to flip him….and that carries risks for them likely not worth taking in vs just trading Bog for icks. And Celtics are unlikely to sell low on him like this anyway.

it has zero to do with Ainge having been here though

people are underestimating White’s value - both scouting/rep wise and statistically. I know he shot poorly in playoffs but NBA teams have a longer view
Exactly. I mean look at that screenshot from the trade. White makes less than Bogdanovic, is 5 years younger and has 2 more years of control. I have no idea how anyone could look at that and think that the Celtics would need to add more to the trade.

And as you stated, The Jazz and Celtics just don’t match up…they are on different timelines. The idea that Ainge would somehow be doing the Celtics charity by doing that trade is so backwards I don’t even know how to address it

Whites a streaky shooter for sure but he also does a bunch of other things that contribute to winning. I would wager a decent amount of money that Whites percentages improve next year as he gets more comfortable and confident with his teammates.
 

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Romeo and Richardson were salary matching fodder, they had no positive value on their contracts.

A late 1st and a pick swap was the price. In the pick swap year, San Antonio most likely won't want to swap.
This is completely incorrect. Richardson absolutely has value. Langford was a lottery ticket.
And that swap is valuable because it’s only top 1 protected. Odds are that it won’t matter but in the NBA things change so quickly who the hell knows what will happen?
 

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This is completely incorrect. Richardson absolutely has value. Langford was a lottery ticket.
And that swap is valuable because it’s only top 1 protected. Odds are that it won’t matter but in the NBA things change so quickly who the hell knows what will happen?
richardson is a guy who could help a contender, but he has no value to SA, and was almost certainly very available this summer and no one acquired him. Maybe at the deadline they will be able to get a couple seconds back for him, assuming they eat a bad contract.

That said if they waived him , yeah there probably would be 5+ teams who would love to take him at the vet minimum
 

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For a guy with no positive value I’d sure love to have Richardson back on the team.
And as disappointing as Langford was the idea that he has no value at all is almost as silly as the implication that the pick swap is worthless..
Romeo barely played for SAS snd ss much I wanted him to succeed will likely not play much again this year unless he dtarts shooting better.

JRich would be great on the Cs except his $12+M salary would cost the Cs like $36M in taxes so thst's not going to happen. If he got bought out and was available for ghe minimum that would be another story but at $12M most contenders can't afford him.
 

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This is completely incorrect. Richardson absolutely has value. Langford was a lottery ticket.
And that swap is valuable because it’s only top 1 protected. Odds are that it won’t matter but in the NBA things change so quickly who the hell knows what will happen?
In the context of the trade, I highly doubt SA cared much about Richardson or Romeo aside from making the financials work and being on short term contracts. Richardson certainly has some value as an NBA player, but not much to the Spurs.

The "negotiations" were almost surly centered around the draftpick and swap, so no need too pretend the value of White included Richardson and Romeo on the other side of the ledger as important factors.

We have been through the swap stuff in other threads, and certainly there is a small amount of risk there. But it's very likely the Spurs won't want to swap that year in the end.
 

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Ainge would probably be more interested in a future draft pick or reuniting with Begarin with what he’s doing in Utah.
people are using White because they don't see Wyc burning $80M in taxes on a bench piece that sucks on D

White is younger, cheaper, signed longer and a better player than Bogdanovich. It's a non-starter

Happy that Brad looks at the whole package and not just POINTZ
 

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Here's hoping they keep everyone they have and sign Melo. I don't like the idea of giving up White. The last taste in our mouths on him is negative because of the Finals, not that he was alone in those last several games, but he does a lot of things well and provides depth. I don't see the difference between what they might get out of Bogdonovich and Melo as being worth expending an asset. And I don't even particularly love Anthony. But like Gallinari, he will give them some offense off the bench and needed depth.

PS: I'm a little surprised that Melo hasn't gotten done yet. Long weekend the culprit? The Sox managed to sign Kike during this time, but then again it's not their off season.