Danilo Gallinari to the Celtics

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What a healthy Gallo brings that they might be able to use is off-the-bounce creation. Things have gone so well with Brogdon and with Hauser as a pure shooter the rest of his 'roles' have been filled. I doubt he can bring that by June, but it's not inconceivable to me he can do 8-10 minutes possibly.

Yeah, the defense will be bad---the use case is limited. I am not counting on it.
 

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I'm pessimistic about DG being able to help the Celtics because:
1. He was a bad defender beforehand
2. Odds are a 34yr old + 2nd ACL surgery to the same knee +1 season off = worse, potentially much worse defender
3. The Celtics have a half dozen other players that shoot 38% & better from 3 (White, Brogdon, Horford, Grant, Hauser, Muscala)
4. Their most high volume 3pt shooters: Tatum, Brown, & Smart will still be taking tons of 3s

The signing was fine at the time BUT the one thing DG may be able to bring, 3pt shooting, isn't a need of this team.

The Celtics rolling the dice on Gallinari in the 2023 playoffs would be malpractice. I also don't see him as a small-ball Center.

IMO he is a waste of salary/roster space next season since Hauser is a better spot-up shooter & defender. If he re-ups this summer, I hope/expect they will move DG/PP+++ for a back-up, springy, defense first Center.
Ah ok.. so it was mainly based on he wasn't a great defender before... that makes sense. I think I was misunderstanding what you were saying before.

And you're right.. Hauser has more or less taken up what would be his minutes.

I think one obviously major difference between this year and last is the shear number of quality 3 point shooters. When Pritchard was unplayable in the playoffs and DWhite and Grant fell off a cliff shooting wise in the finals they were screwed last year. This year they've added DWhite's confidence, Brogdon, Hauser, while Brown and Tatum have also seemingly been better rested coming into the playoffs. They've done a great job of correcting last year's weaknesses.
 

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What a healthy Gallo brings that they might be able to use is off-the-bounce creation. Things have gone so well with Brogdon and with Hauser as a pure shooter the rest of his 'roles' have been filled. I doubt he can bring that by June, but it's not inconceivable to me he can do 8-10 minutes possibly.

Yeah, the defense will be bad---the use case is limited. I am not counting on it.
The one thing you could say is that if the C's are behind you a lot of 3 point shooters that could sub in.
 

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Ah ok.. so it was mainly based on he wasn't a great defender before... that makes sense. I think I was misunderstanding what you were saying before.

And you're right.. Hauser has more or less taken up what would be his minutes.

I think one obviously major difference between this year and last is the shear number of quality 3 point shooters. When Pritchard was unplayable in the playoffs and DWhite and Grant fell off a cliff shooting wise in the finals they were screwed last year. This year they've added DWhite's confidence, Brogdon, Hauser, while Brown and Tatum have also seemingly been better rested coming into the playoffs. They've done a great job of correcting last year's weaknesses.
Yea, the DG signing was fine at the time, since PP was getting so many playoff minutes. But as you have noted the roster has evolved, for the better, and money/cap/tax penalties will be more important for 11-15 on the roster with Brown getting the super MAX this summer. The deep bench will have to be a collection of clever, cheap contracts like Kornet/Hauser/Muscala/Blake deals
 
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What a healthy Gallo brings that they might be able to use is off-the-bounce creation. Things have gone so well with Brogdon and with Hauser as a pure shooter the rest of his 'roles' have been filled. I doubt he can bring that by June, but it's not inconceivable to me he can do 8-10 minutes possibly.

Yeah, the defense will be bad---the use case is limited. I am not counting on it.
Agree that people are selling DG short - when healthy, he's a much more complete offensive player than just a shooter and certainly the Cs before the season looked like they needed one or two people who could create a shot on the second unit.

Would have loved to see DG with this team this season and would still love to see him play if healthy, though the odds of that are really remote.

BTW, Globe had this article from last week on him: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/04/14/sports/it-pains-danilo-gallinari-not-be-ready-celtics-playoffs-run/?camp=bg:brief:rss:feedly&rss_id=feedly_rss_brief&s_campaign=bostonglobe:socialflow:twitter. Basically says that he's trying as hard as he can to play this season but he hasn't done anything with contact.
 

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Agree that people are selling DG short - when healthy, he's a much more complete offensive player than just a shooter and certainly the Cs before the season looked like they needed one or two people who could create a shot on the second unit.

Would have loved to see DG with this team this season and would still love to see him play if healthy, though the odds of that are really remote.

BTW, Globe had this article from last week on him: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/04/14/sports/it-pains-danilo-gallinari-not-be-ready-celtics-playoffs-run/?camp=bg:brief:rss:feedly&rss_id=feedly_rss_brief&s_campaign=bostonglobe:socialflow:twitter. Basically says that he's trying as hard as he can to play this season but he hasn't done anything with contact.
Yeah no doubt. Prime Gallo was one of the better shot creators in the league. One of the best up-fake/dribble attack guys of his time and excellent at using angles to get to the line. He was nothing like Hauser in his prime…..todays version would likely be a slower Hauser however.
 

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Yeah no doubt. Prime Gallo was one of the better shot creators in the league. One of the best up-fake/dribble attack guys of his time and excellent at using angles to get to the line. He was nothing like Hauser in his prime…..todays version would likely be a slower Hauser however.
We're not that far removed from 30/31yr old Danilo Gallinari when he was very efficient offensively...

BUT if anything resembling prime Gallinari re-appears this summer after a year of rehabbing, his agent will have much better offers than his $7MM Celtic option this summer.
 

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Gallinari could have been another second unit go to bucket getter. He was a tough matchup, since he can light it up from three, and can score in the post on smatter covers. He probably would have saved regular season mileage on the Jays, since one of them would not have had to play with the second unit all the time,
 

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We're not that far removed from 30/31yr old Danilo Gallinari when he was very efficient offensively...

BUT if anything resembling prime Gallinari re-appears this summer after a year of rehabbing, his agent will have much better offers than his $7MM Celtic option this summer.
June 20th is the deadline, and so unlikely to be much time to show anything prior to then, barring an unexpectedly early playoff exit. He is likely exercising the option.
 

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We're not that far removed from 30/31yr old Danilo Gallinari when he was very efficient offensively...

BUT if anything resembling prime Gallinari re-appears this summer after a year of rehabbing, his agent will have much better offers than his $7MM Celtic option this summer.
In the context of this postseason we actually are though. He is in start of training camp condition….not regular season condition…..and certainly not in playoff condition. He also won’t have minutes to ramp up to speed either. I can’t imagine a scenario where he sees any non-garbage time action this season.
 
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June 20th is the deadline, and so unlikely to be much time to show anything prior to then, barring an unexpectedly early playoff exit. He is likely exercising the option.
Yep, Boston owns that contract. I was being a little sarcastic, he's trade filler and a buyout guy after 2nd ACL surgery
 

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I'd be a hell of a lot more concerned about Gallo getting back to form if we didn't basically replace him already with Hauser. Sam is shorter for sure, but he seemingly can get his shot off in a phone booth and that's basically what we were hoping for with a 6'10" Gallo--i.e., man who can bang 3s without needing big space around him like Pritchard.

That's not to say that I'm not looking forward to having both of those guys on the roster next year (2 is better than 1), but if Gallo comes back, he has all of the timing and explosion adjustments that come with recovery from ACL (which sometimes involve confidence in your knee holding up too). For now, Hauser is a reasonable facsimile. If...if Gallo is touching the top of the square in layup lines and banging 100 straight 3s in warmups and wants to dress for games, fine. But is he really necessary at this point?
 

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Just some supporting evidence that Gallo's offensive game is a little more well rounded than the typical bench sniper. Maybe unnecessary because other's have already made the point but highlights are fun. Houser doesn't have a lot of these tools in his bag.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM2mCg_fQWw&ab_channel=TomaszKordylewski
I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that a healthy Gallinari this season could have resulted in four or five more wins.
 

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Yea, the DG signing was fine at the time, since PP was getting so many playoff minutes. But as you have noted the roster has evolved, for the better, and money/cap/tax penalties will be more important for 11-15 on the roster with Brown getting the super MAX this summer. The deep bench will have to be a collection of clever, cheap contracts like Kornet/Hauser/Muscala/Blake deals
Are we that confident that confident Brown is making an all-NBA team this year, so that he can get a 35% max?
 

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Are we that confident that confident Brown is making an all-NBA team this year, so that he can get a 35% max?
Based on the votes that have been made public, yeah. He's currently 4th among forwards, well ahead of the guys in 7th and 8th (Lebron and AD). The big worry for awhile was that voters would consider him a guard (where the competition is more fierce), but he's received just a single vote at guard (fewer than Tatum).
 

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Based on the votes that have been made public, yeah. He's currently 4th among forwards, well ahead of the guys in 7th and 8th (Lebron and AD). The big worry for awhile was that voters would consider him a guard (where the competition is more fierce), but he's received just a single vote at guard (fewer than Tatum).
The other worry was that guys that sat out close to half the year would get the nod based on tenure, and that seems not to be happening too.
 

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So wait, if Tatum had missed the entire season - does this team still win 50+ games? I dont know, man.
My comment was more about 5 additional wins. There are very few players that added to this team would propel them from a 57 win team to a 62. Gallinari is most certainly not one of those few players
 

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There was a reason Danilo Gallinari went for under $7MM in UFA, before his season-ending injury.

5-win players command a hair more.
 

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Is this sarcasm? I never know anymore.

Jayson Tatum isn't even worth 5 more wins to this team
Boston lost seven games in OT and another three by one bucket. They also lost a bunch of games to really bad teams, and an additional savvy vet who can score in bunches would have come in handy. I thought their full roster could have won 61 or 62 games, so four or five more wins with Gallinari seems about right.
 

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Boston lost seven games in OT and another three by one bucket. They also lost a bunch of games to really bad teams, and an additional savvy vet who can score in bunches would have come in handy. I thought their full roster could have won 61 or 62 games, so four or five more wins with Gallinari seems about right.
We lost more than our share of close games, but at the end of the day our actual win total was 100% aligned with our expected wins, based on net rating. This was a massive improvement from last year, when we finished 8 games under our expected wins. I'm pretty skeptical that Gallinari would've moved the needle that much, especially because his presence means Hauser would've seen less time.
 

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Is this sarcasm? I never know anymore.

Jayson Tatum isn't even worth 5 more wins to this team
I'm not sure on the sarcasm either, but elite guys in the NBA are worth A TON. Much more than in MLB for example.

RAPTOR has Jokic as worth 20 wins this year and 9 guys worth 10+ wins (Tatum had a down year by RAPTOR and was worth 9 wins). Not trying to get into the accuracy of RAPTOR between players, but I doubt they are way off with everyone on the overall weight of these elite players. This year, 5 win players are ranked outside the top 60 in the NBA. Spencer Dinwiddie and Jarrett Allen types.

Of course, that's if you have to replace them with a G-league/2 way contract type guy and I'm sure the Celtics could replace Tatum (or anyone else's minutes) better than that. Still think missing Tatum all season would take a major dent out of the season win total.

As an aside.... Steph was worth 26 wins by RAPTOR in 2016 and 25 wins in 2015. Wow.
 

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I'm not sure on the sarcasm either, but elite guys in the NBA are worth A TON. Much more than in MLB for example.

RAPTOR has Jokic as worth 20 wins this year and 9 guys worth 10+ wins (Tatum had a down year by RAPTOR and was worth 9 wins). Not trying to get into the accuracy of RAPTOR between players, but I doubt they are way off with everyone on the overall weight of these elite players. This year, 5 win players are ranked outside the top 60 in the NBA. Spencer Dinwiddie and Jarrett Allen types.

Of course, that's if you have to replace them with a G-league/2 way contract type guy and I'm sure the Celtics could replace Tatum (or anyone else's minutes) better than that. Still think missing Tatum all season would take a major dent out of the season win total.

As an aside.... Steph was worth 26 wins by RAPTOR in 2016 and 25 wins in 2015. Wow.
I understand that, even if some of those numbers seems bonkers!

I probably worded it incorrectly, but I was talking about the additional wins. Not sure how to calculate that, for as a team has more wins, there just aren't enough games to add that many more wins. So, BOS won 58 games. If they had another Tatum clone on their team, who was also worth 9 wins, that wouldn't calculate out to BOS winning 67 games, right?
 

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I understand that, even if some of those numbers seems bonkers!

I probably worded it incorrectly, but I was talking about the additional wins. Not sure how to calculate that, for as a team has more wins, there just aren't enough games to add that many more wins. So, BOS won 58 games. If they had another Tatum clone on their team, who was also worth 9 wins, that wouldn't calculate out to BOS winning 67 games, right?
I suppose it obviously has to level off at some point. Those numbers could probably only apply if you are talking about an average or below average team.

If you added Jokic to the current Celtics roster you wouldn't expect them to win 78 games (or would you?? :)).

Partially because he would be replacing someone much better than replacement level, partially because there are only so many games any team can reasonably win.
 

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Anyone tuned in to his progress?
if we manage to win on Sunday, can we see DG next round?
Would be nice to extend the depth
 

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Anyone tuned in to his progress?
if we manage to win on Sunday, can we see DG next round?
Would be nice to extend the depth
Haven't seen any updates recently. It wouldn't shock me if he were cleared for the Finals, if the C's get that far, but that doesn't mean Mazzulla would actually play Gallo.
 

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The only way Danilo plays his exhibition games this year after missing an entire season would be as a token in an already decided game. These are different levels from where he's at now.
 

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I understand that, even if some of those numbers seems bonkers!

I probably worded it incorrectly, but I was talking about the additional wins. Not sure how to calculate that, for as a team has more wins, there just aren't enough games to add that many more wins. So, BOS won 58 games. If they had another Tatum clone on their team, who was also worth 9 wins, that wouldn't calculate out to BOS winning 67 games, right?
We don't yet have anything close to approximating baseball's WAR calcs, which themselves are awesome but imperfect clearly.

I think that 20 wins is crazy talk in a vacuum, even for Jokic, because we really need to consider basketball in terms of floor-raisers and ceiling-raisers. H/T to lovegtm for keeping the concept of ceiling-raiser alive about individuals, but think for a second about what it means for team-building. If you add another Jokic to Denver, would they have gone from 53 wins to 73 wins? No, of course not. But if you take away Jokic from Denver, would they drop to 33 wins? Seems likely, if not probable.

The thought of Jayson Tatum being worth 5 wins to this team over a replacement player should not be handwaved away. I'm fairly confident that he's worth much more than that, if we were to go back in time and drop him from the Celtics for this season. I'm equally confident that an additional Tatum would have been with +5 wins. But I'd say that taking Tatum away almost certainly costs more pocket wins than adding Tatum Prime adds in incremental wins.

Gallinari, that's another story. I doubt that a healthy Gallo would have turned this 57 win team into a 62 win team. If someone said that he's +2, I wouldn't call them crazy.
 

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The only way Danilo plays his exhibition games this year after missing an entire season would be as a token in an already decided game. These are different levels from where he's at now.
Garbage time, for sure.
 

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Even if he had played all year and played well, and was 100% healthy heading into the ECF, there's a decent chance he wouldn't be in the regular rotation. It'd be a nice story if he was able to get a few minutes in a blowout, but at this point his recovery doesn't even qualify as icing on the cake for the current team.
 

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Even if he had played all year and played well, and was 100% healthy heading into the ECF, there's a decent chance he wouldn't be in the regular rotation. It'd be a nice story if he was able to get a few minutes in a blowout, but at this point his recovery doesn't even qualify as icing on the cake for the current team.
Agreed. Always hate the concept of downgrading the Celtic's team defense for a slightly better #3/4 scoring option.

Yes, he is not ready yet.
If he can't make it back, does Brad want him to re-up for salary matching purposes this summer?

Or has the new CBA made that a bad idea?
 

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If he can't make it back, does Brad want him to re-up for salary matching purposes this summer?

Or has the new CBA made that a bad idea?
Gallinari would be unwise to not exercise his player option for $6.8MM. He would have almost no value in FA.
 

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The way Boston played defense in the third quarter of Game 1, this version of Gallinari would have fit right in.
 

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Even if he had played all year and played well, and was 100% healthy heading into the ECF, there's a decent chance he wouldn't be in the regular rotation. It'd be a nice story if he was able to get a few minutes in a blowout, but at this point his recovery doesn't even qualify as icing on the cake for the current team.
Yep. A healthy Gallinari is at best the 8th man on our roster and would probably get used only on a matchup basis along with Grant, Hauser, and apparently and inexplicably Pritchard.