Old Fart Tree said:
For serious? Unless Brady tears another ACL, there's not a lot of actual evidence to believe anything is different.
2015 Bills: Go Rex Go
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For serious? Unless Brady tears another ACL, there's not a lot of actual evidence to believe anything is different.
The NFL is a crazy place, man. I just don't think it's impossibly outside the bounds of what might happen.
It's also possible the city of Seattle could literally burn to the ground.
Even with the downgraded secondary, as long as Gronk and Brady are healthy, I'm punching their ticket to another AFCCG.
Even with the downgraded secondary, as long as Gronk and Brady are healthy, I'm punching their ticket to another AFCCG.
Lol
@NEPD_Loyko: Over the next two seasons Rob Gronkowski will make 15.2 million. Or 9 million less than Charles Clay. There is a reason why #Patriots win.
@NEPD_Loyko: Over the next two seasons Rob Gronkowski will make 15.2 million. Or 9 million less than Charles Clay. There is a reason why #Patriots win.
Lololololololololol. Rex is a franchise killer when he has too much input over the roster. Can't believe those numbers.
I almost feel bad for Clay because he'll surely be lumped into the group of "worst contracts in football." Clay was a 6th rounder that made himself into a pro bowl caliber TE. I hold nothing against him for looking to cash in. Just a shame that a guy that put in all the work to get a big contract will be talked about in a negative light.
Food for thought - given Gronk's family (very involved in his career), the more other TE contracts exceed his, the higher the likelihood he holds out at some point. I've always thought the Gronk experience ends badly here in Patriots land.
sodenj5 said:
Don't worry, as long as Suh is on his deal Clay will never have the worst contract in football.
When we're telling our grandkids about insane contracts from that historically crazy Free Agency of 2015, no one will think to bring up Clay because we'll be talking about Suh.sodenj5 said:
Edit: Curses, Shelterdog!
Don't be so defensive. The Suh contract is what it is. As a Pats fan, I am not looking forward to having to deal with Suh and the rest of that defensive line but I take solace in how crazy those numbers are and what I assume it will do to to the Dolphins long term. That's not a shot and either was what Shelterdog wrote.sodenj5 said:
Wander outside the Dolphins thread at your own risk.sodenj5 said:
Tell us again about how Richie Incognito was misunderstood, grampa.
I think Clays contract is high but that's what it takes to sign a RFA. Gronk's deal was signed almost three years ago and he was a couple years away from FA so while fun to compare, it isn't the most relevant.
A better comparison may be Thomas who signed 5/46 with 21 guaranteed.
Speaking of Gronk, he has a 10M option due next off-season. After this year, I believe the rest of his contract has $36M in new money over the final 4 years. Not sure about any guaranteed dollars other than the bonus.
A better comparison may be Thomas who signed 5/46 with 21 guaranteed.
Speaking of Gronk, he has a 10M option due next off-season. After this year, I believe the rest of his contract has $36M in new money over the final 4 years. Not sure about any guaranteed dollars other than the bonus.
I understand what's going on in Buffalo; it's about getting on the map. Rex should be used to this. not clear to me this is wrong SHORT term.
But there is a LONG term, as he discovered in NYC.
So you have Buffalo attempting to regain relevance, Miami going all in on Suh because the owner had lost other high profile bidding wars, and Woody being Woody.
Lots of inefficiency in the division, which should make it easier for the Pats to ace the LONG term.
But there is a LONG term, as he discovered in NYC.
So you have Buffalo attempting to regain relevance, Miami going all in on Suh because the owner had lost other high profile bidding wars, and Woody being Woody.
Lots of inefficiency in the division, which should make it easier for the Pats to ace the LONG term.
They were already on the map last year by going 9-7 with Orton as their QB and a top defense. All without Rex.
Make no mistake, these moves aren't about getting the Bills on the map. They're about getting attention for Rex. If they go 9-7 again this coming season Rex is going to brag that it's because of all these moves. Hell, that worked in his first year with the Jets (had the same record as Mangini the year before but got praised for it) so why not try it again? To hell with long-term planning, that doesn't help the Rex brand.
Make no mistake, these moves aren't about getting the Bills on the map. They're about getting attention for Rex. If they go 9-7 again this coming season Rex is going to brag that it's because of all these moves. Hell, that worked in his first year with the Jets (had the same record as Mangini the year before but got praised for it) so why not try it again? To hell with long-term planning, that doesn't help the Rex brand.
TheoShmeo said:
To be fair I was TOTALLY taking a shot. But I only did it because the point (we should feel sorry for Clay because the public is going to think he's not earning his exorbitant paychecks) was inane.
New owner took the reins in Oct. In December, team announced it would no longer be playing any games in Toronto. Big splash in these circumstances not surprising. Leads you to same place -- overpaying.Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 1m1 minute ago
Dolphins are NOT matching 5-year, $38 million offer sheet that Buffalo gave TE Charles Clay, per sources. Bills have a new TE.
Dolphins are NOT matching 5-year, $38 million offer sheet that Buffalo gave TE Charles Clay, per sources. Bills have a new TE.
It worked so well for him with the Jets. He should be focusing on beating the other 12 teams on his schedule just as much, the Pats are not that important in the grand scheme of the season.epraz said:
His tenure with the Jets sucked, because he always had a shitty quarterback. It had nothing to do with him focusing too much on the Patriots.Silverdude2167 said:
I agree completely. They need to unseat the perennial division champs, not focus on the perennial dumpster fire. He would be getting killed if he had said he was focusing on the 4-12 Jets.epraz said:
His teams got up for the Pats games and then lost to the dregs of the league. Rex has a long list of flaws and getting his team up for "special games" instead of it just being another game is one of them.kelpapa said:
kelpapa said:
No, his big fucking mouth and shameless self-aggrandizement got him the Buffalo job, for new owners anxious to make a splash. His 46-50 regular season coaching record certainly didn't get it for him. Neither did missing the playoffs for 4 straight years.
Going 4-9 against the Pats didn't get him the job. His yap got him the job. Never, ever forget this. Rex is the perfect coach for stupid owners.
You really want to cite that he lost to the Pats 9 out of 13 games? Don't you remember how CLOSE a lot of those losses were? They were essentially wins. Rex has had the Patriots number for years. He either beats them or has the best losses!
Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
No not serious. However, those arguments have been made by Rex supporters.
(SJH: It's not.) EDIT: Oh geez, I guess I got that wrong. That Rex supporters make bad arguments is...irrelevant.
One of my favorite things about Rex is how he always follows up his comments with something like "I really believe that" or "I really man that."
"One thing about me, you're going to get total effort, and everything I got. I really believe that."
Such a juvenile way of thinking and talking. And yet the media just laps it up.
His Pats Obsession? It IS understandable since the Pats are on top of the hill. But I don't think it's healthy or productive. Focus on your own team, silly man.
One of my favorite things about Rex is how he always follows up his comments with something like "I really believe that" or "I really man that."
"One thing about me, you're going to get total effort, and everything I got. I really believe that."
Such a juvenile way of thinking and talking. And yet the media just laps it up.
His Pats Obsession? It IS understandable since the Pats are on top of the hill. But I don't think it's healthy or productive. Focus on your own team, silly man.
Shelterdog said:
Right. Rex went 4-9 against New England. Over the same time frame, Miami went 3-10. No one talks about Miami having the Pats' number, or that they weren't scared of the Pats.
Rex is a tremendous jackass, but part of me admires the cunning he has to self-promote so relentlessly. He's a genius at it, much like Parcells was. Of course Parcells was an infinitely better coach so his bullshit was more genuine in some ways, and Parcells liked to talk smack about his players ("She's coming along" "He's like a ball in tall grass: LOST") while Rex likes to talk about himself. But the approach is the same.
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Rex's rep is built on the 2010 Divisional game; at that point, his Jets were 3-2 against the Patriots. He could be fairly said to have the Patriots number as much as anyone had since the days of Mike Shanahan in Denver. Miami sure as shit wasn't going into Foxborough in January and coming out with a win. He then went 1-7 over the next 4 years, and that 1 was by the skin of his teeth in overtime on a series of bad officiating calls in his favor. But that rep stays with him, because it's how he was first branded.
Facts are transient, but legends are forever.
Facts are transient, but legends are forever.
Rex could go 2-14 and as long as the two wins were against the Pats he would get an extension. That's how fixated the AFC East in on the Patriots. Rex knows this and plays to that audience.
MentalDisabldLst said:
I've thought the same thing. Take everything else: the rest of his record, the quotes, the bravado, Hard Knocks, etc., but reverse the outcome of that one game and Rex is looked at quite differently.
Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
The way I wrote that post you are responding to was incredibly dumb. Poor phrasing on my part. I don't actually think how he played the Patriots got him the Buffalo job.Shelterdog said:
I was responding to someone that said this:
The Jets lost to the dregs of the league, because they sucked. Somehow holding it against Rex that they played the Pats well is dumb. I was trying to say that it would be to his benefit for him playing the Pats well.
I am not a Rex supporter.
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