Well, I'm definitely pulling for Brian Tyms to make this roster. Finally, a young receiver I like.
soxfan121 said:No one is adopting Kanoris "No Helmet, No Problem" Davis?
At the very least, he became a Patriot Training Camp Legend last night with the helmetless tackle. Even if he doesn't make the team, he will be on film forever as an example of "what some guys will do to make this team".
And I hope some coach gave him the Lou Brown afterward: "Nice play Davis. Don't ever fuckin do it again."
Super Nomario said:
I think Davis has a real shot to make the squad - he replaced Marquice Cole when they cut him late last season, and Cole was one of the gunners.
Very, very interesting. Ben Volin was on T&R on 98.5 this morning and was asked about Tyms' chances of making the roster, and said that they were surprisingly better than you might expect -- said he remembered Tyms as a prospect from the Dolphins, that he has the longest arms of a WR he has ever seen, that the team loves his height and speed, and that all you can really ask of a WR late in last nights game was to make plays, and he made a awful lot of them.lambeau said:Tyms is interesting. Rough, rough childhood and really only one year of high school and one year of college ball, but enough raw talent to make 49ers practice squad 2012 (good camp but behind Crabtree, Ginn, Manningham,etc). Still learning to run routes signed off
practice squad by Dolphins, then last season signed off their practice squad by Browns--was active until cut in March when league gave him Browner-type 4-game suspension for unknown substance.
What a night. Can he make the roster? I guess like Browner he doesn't count against the 53 until October. He sure looked better than Boyce or Finch.
http://m.sfgate.com/49ers/article/Rookie-wideout-Tyms-runs-toward-future-3791826.phpAfter he'd lived in four group homes, been kicked out of the house by his foster family and spent two months sleeping in a car, 49ers rookie wide receiver Brian Tyms finally found an oasis when he arrived at Florida A&M three years ago....
On Wednesday, Florida A&M wide receivers coach Steven Jerry recalled driving by the football facility and seeing a solitary figure who seemingly never left campus. It would be Tyms lugging a sled, or running routes through cones - a young man with an NFL body and sprinter's speed determined to distance himself from his painful past. ...
"He was so happy to be a college student because the alternative was so bad," Jerry said. "You could tell there was a genuine appreciation for everything, every day. He ate, slept and breathed football and school for three years, and now it's paid off for him."
He didn't have a lot of push in the pass rush, but I thought he was OK against the run taking on double teams.wutang112878 said:- Vince Wilfork - has me a little worried. I know that he is coming back from injury and its early, but he seemed as though he wasnt really pushing his blockers, and he certainly didnt seem to have the power to push 2 blockers like we are accustomed to seeing when he is at the top of his game. Again, its early but I think this bears watching
wutang112878 said:His numbers werent outstanding but first of all he didnt look lost (which is a great first sign) and the offense seemed to be functioning with him in there which wasnt the case with Mallett.
Stitch01 said:He didn't have a lot of push in the pass rush, but I thought he was OK against the run taking on double teams.
Anderson had one bad play where he whiffed on a tackle on a swing pass in the backfield
NortheasternPJ said:
He was 9/13 for 157 yards and a touchdown, I'd say those numbers are outstanding for his first NFL action.
wutang112878 said:Have to add to the Garoppolo love. Mallett couldnt seem to get it going and in the first half I thought the team around him was playing a big factor. But then JG stepped in and everything seemed to change. His numbers werent outstanding but first of all he didnt look lost (which is a great first sign) and the offense seemed to be functioning with him in there which wasnt the case with Mallett.
In terms of his incompletions that I remember, I thought the pass to Jones wasnt perfect but certainly catchable. The wheel pass to Finch was a little rushed but right on target, having this type of 'mistake' from a rookie is really phenomenal if you ask me. I forget which one but I believe one of the Tyms incompletions was catchable as well. If those were complete he would be 11 for 13 which is a very, very impressive debut. He also seemed to make Tyms look like a #1 receiver
As far as other guys go:
- Tyms was impressive, I think he is pushing Boyce for a roster spot and if the decision was just based on this game then I think Boyce is the one getting cut
- Finch showed some potential but the dropsies need to be addressed, it looked like he had terrible ball security
- Vince Wilfork - has me a little worried. I know that he is coming back from injury and its early, but he seemed as though he wasnt really pushing his blockers, and he certainly didnt seem to have the power to push 2 blockers like we are accustomed to seeing when he is at the top of his game. Again, its early but I think this bears watching
- Kelly seemed to look decent which seems to be a promising sign given the ACL injury
- White I was hoping to see a little more out of him because of the rave reviews he was getting in practice
- Beauharnais looked like a poor mans, inexperienced Mayo. Seemed to man the middle and there was one play where he engaged the guard, held his own, and then detached from him to make the tackle. That was impressive. He seems to have some promise
- James Anderson is another guy I was hoping to see more of. He didnt stand out to me but maybe I missed something
- Browner looked the part of a mauling CB but I do wonder how his skills will translate with the new 'emphasis' BS
NortheasternPJ said:
He was 9/13 for 157 yards and a touchdown, I'd say those numbers are outstanding for his first NFL action.
wutang112878 said:
Right, and I touched on how he might have been 11 for 13 without some dropsies which would have been amazing
Eck'sSneakyCheese said:The awareness he showed on the play that should have been a TD was amazing. An eye opening performance last night for sure. He's definitely on my must watch list for the remainder of the preseason.
It's being replayed on NFL Network today at 4p if you get that. (I have my DVR set)Tony C said:hell, I didn't even see the game (out of market) but just from reading this thread I'm fully only on the Tyms/JG bandwagons.... Love it, fun part of PS is can let the enthusiasm flags fly.
MalzoneExpress said:I agree with NEPJ, GP's numbers were outstanding.
Except you stated that his numbers weren't outstanding. Without some dropsies, his numbers would have been Bradyesque.
SeoulSoxFan said:I'm still on the FInch Binkywagon.
The mistakes are correctable and the shiftiness was there. The way BB came right over and spoke to him seemed like a gesture that says Finch is going to get more chances moving forward.
Stitch01 said:I thought White looked fine in limited action.
Kenny F'ing Powers said:Jimmy Garoppolo (preseason game #1): 9/13, 157 yards, 1 TD, 135.7 QB rating. Quick release, accurate passes, solid poise in pocket.
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With that said, I understand the irony of using 1 preseason game as a barometer while dismissing training camp entirely. But I think last nights game is a great illustration on why we have to be aware of getting caught up in the training camp and preseason chatter.
Shelterdog said:
Agreed. it's really hard to judge a RB by his numbers, particularly when his (second string) o-line was getting worked over a bit.
Reverend said:
I was wondering about this while watching the game. Like, how do evaluate players when you're running tryouts for multiple positions that will in turn influence the performance of others?
Like, in crew, if you want to compare two rowers you have them each row for a spot with the same other seven rowers. Evaluating a running back playing behind an offensive line that are themselves running tryouts, for example, seems difficult.
This is true to some extent, but on the other hand there are things you learn about a RB running behind a shitty line that you can't learn about him running behind a good one. How does he handle penetration in the backfield? Does he know when to just cut upfield and turn a four-yard-loss into a one-yard-loss, or does he keep going for the corner and suffer a huge loss? Does he maintain good ball security when he's getting swarmed? How is his vision when the hole is smaller than expected or not exactly where it's supposed to be? Matt Waldman often talks about how much Matt Forte impressed him with his ability to turn losses into gains running behind a lousy line at Tulane: http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2013/12/09/rsp-flashback-overrated-mcfaddenjones-underrated-forte/. On the other hand we've seen guys like Mark Ingram and Trent Richardson who looked awesome behind dominant college lines that haven't translated that to the pro game.Reverend said:
I was wondering about this while watching the game. Like, how do evaluate players when you're running tryouts for multiple positions that will in turn influence the performance of others?
Like, in crew, if you want to compare two rowers you have them each row for a spot with the same other seven rowers. Evaluating a running back playing behind an offensive line that are themselves running tryouts, for example, seems difficult.
As far as I was concerned Tyms came out of no where. I hadn't noticed his pickup, I hadn't heard 2 words about him (or registered the words I did hear?), nothing. I loved the separation. I loved the ability to fight the hand checking down the sideline. I loved the concentration on the disallowed touchdown to bring the ball in when his jersey was being dragged from behind. I love that he is tall with long arms with speed. That combination can be deadly if the receiver knows how to use it - and it appears he does.TomTerrific said:
Yes, thanks for bringing that up. I think that play speaks volumes.
Also, he created space nicely between himself and the defender on the TD at the end without a) slowing down, or b) drawing a flag, ending up with a seemingly easy catch in the end zone. I can see a lot of other guys screwing that up.
Binky Boyce isn't looking very good to even make the 53 man....
Kenny F'ing Powers said:Well then...we have the new Randy Moss apparently.
Good for us.
LOL! Classictims4wins said:Sounds like I might need to change my user name to tyms4wins
Super Nomario said:
I think Davis has a real shot to make the squad - he replaced Marquice Cole when they cut him late last season, and Cole was one of the gunners.
Old Fart Tree said:
That is one of the most insane things I have ever seen.
Ya know... I specifically said I wasn't making the comparison... and then went on to say that I think the way Tyms played this one game made me think of someone in that reliable vertical role... I dunno how (in a binky thread no less) I could have conveyed those thoughts without generating a condescending comment from someone.Kenny F'ing Powers said:Well then...we have the new Randy Moss apparently.
Good for us.
My post was beyond semi-irrational... but it was exuberant. Thanks for giving us the benefit of the doubt though! I think the odds are a little longer on Tyms being that good unfortunately... but I'll keep my fingers crossed none-the-less.SMU_Sox said:Reading this (semi-irrational) exuberance every year should be a patented SoSH past-time. I love it. Rooting for Tyms too. In the 1 in 500000000000000000000 chance he works out and is the reincarnation of Randy Moss or w/e it makes the experience even more enjoyable.
Right. While it's important to remember the Tyms was out there against 2nd and 3rd stringers, and that he's most likely NOT the second coming of Randy, we don't need a Randy Moss--we just need a credible deep threat. Tyms has some chance to be that, and that's exciting to contemplateRetractableRoof said:Ya know... I specifically said I wasn't making the comparison... and then went on to say that I think the way Tyms played this one game made me think of someone in that reliable vertical role...
Yeah, now that I think about it... the 2nd & 3rd stringers bit did let some air out of my exuberance... but dammit I am still keeping my fingers crossed.TomTerrific said:Right. While it's important to remember the Tyms was out there against 2nd and 3rd stringers, and that he's most likely NOT the second coming of Randy, we don't need a Randy Moss--we just need a credible deep threat. Tyms has some chance to be that, and that's exciting to contemplate