2014 Binkywagon Thread: Eck's binky wins a truck

[SeoulSoxFan]

Curran and Volin tweets that Tyms is suspended for 4 games THIS season for taking Adderall before it was approved by the NFL.

Hope this means he can be stashed away on PS with less risk.

 

[lambeau]

The 49ers signed Tyms as a nobody UFA after watching his 2012 pro day at Fla A&M--and it's easy to see why: at 6'3" a 39" vertical is rare (Randy 39" at his Marshall pro day 1998), 4.4 speed is excellent (true, Randy's faster), and a 3.93) sec 20 yd shuttle unheard of.
He benched 22 reps--a lot for a WR. So his combination of strength, speed, agility, and vertical reach is extraordinary. By comparison, Dobson was impressive at his pro day with the same size (6'3" 200 to Tyms 6'3" 204) and speed, but had a 35" vertical and a slower
3-cone (7.19 vs. 6.93) while benching 16 reps. Measurables aren't everything, but we saw some maybe not so surprising results--separation, fending off hand-checks...and he can catch. Oh, ye of little faith....

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

Im on board.

When are we going to Canton to see his plaque?

 

[mwonow]

Im on board.

When are we going to Canton to see his plaque?

I'm figuring him and Tom enter together - so maybe 2025 or so?

 

[soxfan121]

Curran and Volin tweets that Tyms is suspended for 4 games THIS season for taking Adderall before it was approved by the NFL.

Hope this means he can be stashed away on PS with less risk.

 
I think Tyms would need to make the 53-man, then have his suspension kick in, then the Pats could add another player. 
 
So, for Tyms to make the team, so other contributor to the 53 has to be put on waivers and potentially lost to a waiver claim. Plus Browner has the same situation, giving the Pats a 51-man roster at cutdown and exposing two others to waivers with the intent to resign them. 

 

[RedOctober3829]

Im on board.

When are we going to Canton to see his plaque?

I'm figuring his plaque will be right next to Quentin Simms.

 

[soxfan121]

I'm figuring his plaque will be right next to Quentin Simms.

 
That's near the Vince Redd statue, right?

 

[Silverdude2167]

 
This is Tyms, right? I can't tell.
 

Tyms did this celebration after the non TD, TD if I am remembering correctly.
 
So Tyms = Moss according to science.

 

[RedOctober3829]

 
That's near the Vince Redd statue, right?

In the Michael Bishop Wing

 

[bradmahn]

 
I think Tyms would need to make the 53-man, then have his suspension kick in, then the Pats could add another player. 
 
So, for Tyms to make the team, so other contributor to the 53 has to be put on waivers and potentially lost to a waiver claim. Plus Browner has the same situation, giving the Pats a 51-man roster at cutdown and exposing two others to waivers with the intent to resign them. 

 
I don't know if this is correct and can't find anything via a google search. Do you have any sources for this?

 

[JohnnyTheBone]

I found this regarding Browner (suspended, like Tyms, for the first 4 games):
 

 
CORNERBACKS (5*)

• Darrelle Revis
• Brandon Browner*
• Kyle Arrington (slot)
• Alfonzo Dennard
• Logan Ryan

Because Browner is suspended for the first four regular-season games, he won't count against the initial 53-man roster limit. But he is included here because he is obviously a significant part of the team's overall planning for the 2014 season.
 

 
Source: http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4765446/new-england-patriots-projected-roster-3
 
If this is accurate, the suspension may actually help Tyms make the club.
 

 

[Tony C]

my understanding has always been that suspended players don't count toward the 53-man roster. Just have to make an adjustment/drop when their suspensions are up.

 

[axx]

my understanding has always been that suspended players don't count toward the 53-man roster. Just have to make an adjustment/drop when their suspensions are up.

 
You mean "stash someone on IR who they don't want to lose to FA"

 

[bradmahn]

Thanks. 
  :stare:
 
 
Maybe Bill should drug every prospect he interviews at the combine, dropping their stock and adding another 7-10 players to the team's control on opening day.

 

[soxfan121]

I found this regarding Browner (suspended, like Tyms, for the first 4 games):
 
 
Source: http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4765446/new-england-patriots-projected-roster-3
 
If this is accurate, the suspension may actually help Tyms make the club.
 

 
Wow. That seems like quite a loophole. Thanks for the correction.

 

[mulluysavage]

Death of a Binkywagon

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2014/08/reports_patriots_shuffle_tight_ends.html

 

[dcmissle]

Two taken behind the barn and shot, three new ones signed. It's funny when BB whacks a binky.

 

[Stitch01]

That tight end film must have looked ugly

 

[dcmissle]

Yep. Imagining a recorded "Football Life" moment. "These guys are not going to be adequate. Let's get some more in here."

Decisiveness is one of the many things I love about this team.

 

[RetractableRoof]

I bet Jones is ultimately signed to the practice squad. If they let him play another game or 3 and he ahows something he won't get to the squad. If they do it this way they have stamped him as 'missing something' and might make it to the PS.

 

[mpx42]

Since each team has 90 roster spots available, I'd be pretty surprised if none of them decided Jones was worth a look.

 

[soxfan121]

I bet Jones is ultimately signed to the practice squad. If they let him play another game or 3 and he ahows something he won't get to the squad. If they do it this way they have stamped him as 'missing something' and might make it to the PS.

 
There were many, many whispers about the thing Jones was missing back in the UDFA threads. 
 
I'm guessing his early departure is related to his missing something the Patriots like above all other things and that he will not be returning.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

https://twitter.com/RandyMoss/status/500471813584203776
 

@Tyms2Times u something else but I luv it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPR_VwNOCDQ

 

[tims4wins]

tyms4wins

 

[Seels]

https://twitter.com/RandyMoss/status/500471813584203776
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPR_VwNOCDQ

God I miss him

 

[wutang112878]

My take on last night:

• Jimmy G came back to earth a bit, while there werent any picks there were some moments where he really looked like a rookie.  He has a bad habbit of staring down receivers and after the TD to LaFell, Bill called him over and they were chatting and I'm pretty sure thats what they were talking about because he did it twice on that drive.  There were also a few times that the game seemed a little fast for him where the rush was coming, it seemed to rattle him and he didnt know exactly where to go with the ball and got antsy.  There was also one rollout where he reversed direction twice and thats just asking for disaster.  This is to be expected but some stuff he really needs to work on
• Ridley continues with the fumbles thats not a great sign
• White didnt have flashy numbers but he looked pretty good, was decisive and looks the part of a powerful back.  I wouldnt be surprised if he is our Ridley replacement next year
• Collins seems to have bulked up significantly.  I'm sure that cost him a little athleticism, and he had it in excess, but it looks like it will also allow him to stay on the field for all 3 downs.  I'm very interested to see what he does this year
• Chung, it just doesnt sit well with me that it looks like he is going to be our starting SS.  I really wish Harmon could have taken that job
• Butler - wow what a find, it must be really difficult to project a D2 corner to the NFL especially with his horrible 40 time and 3 cone (if the numbers I saw online were accurate).  He looked solid in coverage, stripped the ball twice and is looking like a playmaker.  I dont know why but he sort of reminds me of Terrell Buckley. 

 
Spin off of the Butler discussion, It looks like he is on track to earn a roster spot and the question becomes who gets bumped out.  Last year on the final 53 they kept 5 CBs and 5 safeties including Ebner (who I think of as just a special teamer), in 2012 it was 6 CBs and 4 safeties including Ebner.  With Browners suspension he doesnt count against the final 53 so I could see us keeping Revis, Dennard, Arrington, Ryan and Butler and at safety McCourty, Chung, Harmon, Wilson and Ebner.  But when Browner comes back if everyone is healthy and still on the roster I think Wilson or Ebner get bumped and I'm thinking its more likely that its Wilson and I actually wouldnt even be surprised if he was left off the final 53 because I'm dont think he is that critical on special teams so his value really seems minimal.

 

[RedOctober3829]

I don't think Chung is going to be the starter at SS.  I think it's still up for grabs and I also think there won't be one guy that plays the vast majority of the snaps.  I think against teams that throw it a lot you will see Harmon or even Arrington or Ryan share snaps and against teams that like to run it you will see Chung.  Think of it like a platoon in baseball.

 

[Super Nomario]

Spin off of the Butler discussion, It looks like he is on track to earn a roster spot and the question becomes who gets bumped out.  Last year on the final 53 they kept 5 CBs and 5 safeties including Ebner (who I think of as just a special teamer), in 2012 it was 6 CBs and 4 safeties including Ebner.  With Browners suspension he doesnt count against the final 53 so I could see us keeping Revis, Dennard, Arrington, Ryan and Butler and at safety McCourty, Chung, Harmon, Wilson and Ebner.  But when Browner comes back if everyone is healthy and still on the roster I think Wilson or Ebner get bumped and I'm thinking its more likely that its Wilson and I actually wouldnt even be surprised if he was left off the final 53 because I'm dont think he is that critical on special teams so his value really seems minimal.

Don't forget Kanorris Davis, who like Ebner is a SSINO that plays a big role in the kicking game - he was the gunner opposite Slater after they cut Cole last season. I didn't see who was playing that role last night (Davis didn't dress), but it is a key one.
 
I think Wilson and Chung are probably competing for one spot - they both can play quite a bit of special teams but aren't impact players there like Slater or Ebner.

 

[tims4wins]

Given that Ryan and Arrington are both seeing snaps at safety, I think they only keep 4 true safeties and cut one. Probably Wilson or Chung.

 

[j44thor]

Were we watching the same James White last night?  How is he a power back when he can't break a tackle?  I thought he was the least impressive back and the YPC among the 5 would bolster that argument.  More than likely he is a Vereen replacement when Bill decides Vereen is too expensive given his high injury risk coming off his rookie deal.  Jonas Gray has a better chance of being the Ridley replacement than White based on last night.

 

[RedOctober3829]

James White didn't have the same explosiveness or the first-cut ability he showed at Wisconsin last night.  I hope he becomes more decisive with his cuts and not be too patient waiting for a hole to open up.

 

[wutang112878]

James White didn't have the same explosiveness or the first-cut ability he showed at Wisconsin last night. I hope he becomes more decisive with his cuts and not be too patient waiting for a hole to open up.

Ok so I'm not sure what I saw last night then. Ignore my thoughts in White until I watch him again.

 

[wutang112878]

I think Wilson and Chung are probably competing for one spot - they both can play quite a bit of special teams but aren't impact players there like Slater or Ebner.

Given that Ryan and Arrington are both seeing snaps at safety, I think they only keep 4 true safeties and cut one. Probably Wilson or Chung.

I really hope you guys are right. I don't see the use of keeping Wilson because the only real development I have seen from him is that I haven't seen him get absolutely toasted in coverage or whiff on a tackle because of an awful angle he took. I'd rather see anyone else get a chance to develop.

Do we know what Bill saw in him in the first place? I've just never seen a flash of anything that would make me think he could be a player.

 

[tims4wins]

 I believe it has been officially confirmed that BB was trolling the league with the Wilson pick

 

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

I was impressed by Finchs ability to cut once and just explode through or around people, granted it was against lesser competition. He reminds me of a young Sproles. There was one play where he was almost hidden by all the guys in front of him and when a hole opened he just darted for it and ran for a big gain. The kids a playmaker. Bolden and Gray looked pretty good too.

Count me in as one of the people who thinks White looks extremely unimpressive. Consistently going down after initial contact. I'd be surprised if he has any yards after contact.

The RB totem pole as far as performance, IMO looks like this: Vereen, Finch, Bolden, Gray, White. Ridley is either right behind Vereen or if the fumbles continue, behind White and possibly off the team...

Malcolm Butler. Wow.

Tyms may be playing himself into a roster spot. Not sure who he replaces though. Boyce had a couple of nice plays last night too.

I know as a Pats fan we can tend to over value the guys on the squad but I have to think that there are quite a few teams waiting to see who gets cut from this team.

After seeing a little of the starters on D, I foresee a fuckton of coverage sacks this year. Which is really too awesome for words.

 

[j44thor]

I was impressed by Finchs ability to cut once and just explode through or around people, granted it was against lesser competition. He reminds me of a young Sproles. There was one play where he was almost hidden by all the guys in front of him and when a hole opened he just darted for it and ran for a big gain. The kids a playmaker. Bolden and Gray looked pretty good too.

Count me in as one of the people who thinks White looks extremely unimpressive. Consistently going down after initial contact. I'd be surprised if he has any yards after contact.

The RB totem pole as far as performance, IMO looks like this: Vereen, Finch, Bolden, Gray, White. Ridley is either right behind Vereen or if the fumbles continue, behind White and possibly off the team...

Malcolm Butler. Wow.

Tyms may be playing himself into a roster spot. Not sure who he replaces though. Boyce had a couple of nice plays last night too.

I know as a Pats fan we can tend to over value the guys on the squad but I have to think that there are quite a few teams waiting to see who gets cut from this team.

After seeing a little of the starters on D, I foresee a fuckton of coverage sacks this year. Which is really too awesome for words.

 
Did you miss his back to back plays of a bad drop followed by a terrible block in the back (actually pushed the defender closer to the ball carrier) that negated a TD.  I'm thinking Boyce is on the outside looking in at this point.  Probably between Finch and Boyce for one of the last roster spots.  It also doesn't help Boyce that Tyms can be kept for 4 weeks without taking a roster spot so in essence he provides injury protection against one of your top 5 WR going down.

 

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

Did you miss his back to back plays of a bad drop followed by a terrible block in the back (actually pushed the defender closer to the ball carrier) that negated a TD.  I'm thinking Boyce is on the outside looking in at this point.  Probably between Finch and Boyce for one of the last roster spots.  It also doesn't help Boyce that Tyms can be kept for 4 weeks without taking a roster spot so in essence he provides injury protection against one of your top 5 WR going down.

I did miss that actually. I was just reading the end of the game thread and realized he had negated anything good he accomplished earlier. Oh, well. Makes it an easy cut then.

 

[Tony C]

In terms of guys on the bubble, 91 snaps for Devey indicate they like him and want a hard look at him, but he sure seemed to whiff on a lot of blocks.

 

[CaptainLaddie]

Holy shit, that catch by Tyms.  I lost my shit over that.

 

[southshoresoxfan]

Tyms is in, Boyce is out at this pt IMO. I think youll see Tyms get some Brady reps against Carolina.

 

[( . ) ( . ) and (_!_)]

But if they see Finch as an eventual contributor RB, then having him hold a spot as a KR for the year while he redshirts as a backup RB in preparation for taking a bigger role next year could work.
 
Count me in the White had no burst and fell down at the first touch camp -- thoroughly unimpressive 2 games, not sure what the hype is (so far -- could he really be that different in practice?). It's true there weren't big holes for him, but for the most part neither were there for Ridley -- but Ridley showed both a burst to get through what was there and power to get through the first tackler. I fucking love Ridley as a back except...oh yeah, he can't hold on to the damn ball. Just killer.

I don't think it makes sense for the 45 man game roster to have a guy that is just a KR. I think Finch's only path to the 53 man roster is as a KR and contributor at RB this year. It wouldn't make sense to have him on the 53 man roster and be inactive every week and it's likely not worth dressing him for games if he will only return kicks. I think he is great and a dynamic threat but instill see an uphill battle for a roster spot.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

But if they see Finch as an eventual contributor RB, then having him hold a spot as a KR for the year while he redshirts as a backup RB in preparation for taking a bigger role next year could work.
 
Count me in the White had no burst and fell down at the first touch camp -- thoroughly unimpressive 2 games, not sure what the hype is (so far -- could he really be that different in practice?). It's true there weren't big holes for him, but for the most part neither were there for Ridley -- but Ridley showed both a burst to get through what was there and power to get through the first tackler. I fucking love Ridley as a back except...oh yeah, he can't hold on to the damn ball. Just killer.

 
It is so clear Ridley has skills and talent that no one else has. I'm going to post in the RB thread but Ridley was "unlucky" in losing all of his fumbles. Ridley will be a big part of this team's success (just a notch below Finch*)
 
* Hey this is a Binky thread after all
 
Edit: also moved several posts re: RB depth in the RB thread.

 

[lambeau]

Jordan Devey started and played every snap last night. At 6'6" 317--same as Solder and Vollmer-- he looked pretty good, and would upgrade the OL size if he takes over right guard. I think BB wants to get bigger. Mankins, Stork, Connelly the little guys at 6'4" 305-310.

 

[southshoresoxfan]

They could use a bruiser at RG. I like connelly but id rather see him at center and wendell to the bench

 

[Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt]

White was the least impressive last night but fwiw he has been, according to every report I've read, by far the best RB in camp. So I was disappointed in his production last night but I suspect he will play a pretty big role this season.

I wouldn't say Finch is "only" a KR. Seems like he can play some snaps at RB. It'll be interesting to see who plays how much in next week's all important third pre-season game.

 

[lostjumper]

Can anyone find the video of Tyms catch to post? I looked at NFL.com and patriots.com and couldn't find it.

 

[riboflav]

Can anyone find the video of Tyms catch to post? I looked at NFL.com and patriots.com and couldn't find it.

 
Go up and get it 84
 
http://nesn.com/2014/08/patriots-brian-tyms-mimics-randy-moss-celebration-after-touchdown-gif/

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

Go up and get it 84
 
http://nesn.com/2014/08/patriots-brian-tyms-mimics-randy-moss-celebration-after-touchdown-gif/

That's the kind of play I hoped Dobson would make. Fights hands all the way to the end zone, perfectly times the jump and snares it.

 

[lambeau]

I don't see how Tyms can be exposed to waivers--he's the first legitimate deep threat sinse Randy. Boyce is gone.They may have to carry seven receivers (ncluding Slater) in October.Or by then somebody can be IR'd.
Of course.  last year probably Amendola, Thompkins, and Dobson all should have been IR'd--so the odds are pretty good the problem will solve itself.

 

[dynomite]

I don't see how Tyms can be exposed to waivers--he's the first legitimate deep threat sinse Randy. Boyce is gone.They may have to carry seven receivers (ncluding Slater) in October.Or by then somebody can be IR'd.
Of course.  last year probably Amendola, Thompkins, and Dobson all should have been IR'd--so the odds are pretty good the problem will solve itself.

 
The key, as you suggest, is that Tyms doesn't need to be exposed to waivers until October. 
 
It's clear that the Patriots have seen what we've seen -- I don't think it's a coincidence that Tyms was targeted more than any other WR against the Eagles and got reps with Brady in practice this week.  Tyms can audition for the rest of August, but -- barring injury -- Boyce had better start showing something soon.