No, Thomas will be their 6th man and maybe go a little 3 guard at times.Devizier said:
That must mean Bledsoe is heading elsewhere. Or perhaps Dragic is the one getting shipped out?
No, Thomas will be their 6th man and maybe go a little 3 guard at times.Devizier said:
That must mean Bledsoe is heading elsewhere. Or perhaps Dragic is the one getting shipped out?
Phoenix has 3 point guards now. How are they a landing spot for Rondo?Reardons Beard said:Sounds to me like Indiana, Phoenix, Houston, and Sacramento are all potential landing spots at this point.
Now - where can we get the best return?
Nothing of particular current or future value, either. Howard & Harden (& Parsons?) make the playoffs.Ed Hillel said:Gotta be Houston, right? No Bosh, no Lin...
Houston is a logical destination for Rondo unless Morey sends assets to MN for Love.This is the Rondo thread
Brickowski said:Houston is a logical destination for Rondo unless Morey sends assets to MN for Love.
Sprowl said:
What does Houston have left to offer for Rondo? Without Bosh, Lin and a first-round pick, the Rockets' cupboard is looking awfully bare. They are an injury away from the lottery.
Just Parsons--if they match. They've also got Motiejunas and Terrence Jones. They may also be willing to take Crash. Who knows?What does Houston have left to offer for Rondo? Without Bosh, Lin and a first-round pick, the Rockets' cupboard is looking awfully bare. They are an injury away from the lottery.
So who is going to defend the other team's pg? And IMHO they'd be a better offensive team if Harden played off the ball.Harden's essentially their point guard. Not sure there's enough ball for Rondo and Harden next to each other.
Parsons won't be able to be traded for a year without his consent if Houston matches.Brickowski said:Just Parsons--if they match. They've also got Motiejunas and Terrence Jones. They may also be willing to take Crash. Who knows?
Patrick Beverly? Harden gets to the line better than anybody in the NBA. Why take the ball out of his hands?Brickowski said:So who is going to defend the other team's pg? And IMHO they'd be a better offensive team if Harden played off the ball.
Because it's a one dimensional offense and teams will put all of their defensive focus on Harden because no one else will be scoring the ball. Let Harden have his 30 with 10-12 free throws.Patrick Beverly? Harden gets to the line better than anybody in the NBA. Why take the ball out of his hands?
Brickowski said:Because it's a one dimensional offense and teams will put all of their defensive focus on Harden because no one else will be scoring the ball. Let Harden have his 30 with 10-12 free throws.
Is Rondo going to guard Aldridge? Is he suddenly going to become a scoring guard? How does he solve either of the problems you just identified?Brickowski said:Because it's a one dimensional offense and teams will put all of their defensive focus on Harden because no one else will be scoring the ball. Let Harden have his 30 with 10-12 free throws.
This is a team that was beaten in the first round by Portland. They had no one to defend Aldridge (maybe Deng could do that, but they haven't signed him yet) and no one to defend Lillard. Houston is screwed unless they make changes, and by losing Asik and Lin, they've just gotten worse.
Aldridge was unguardable in a few of those games.Brickowski said:Because it's a one dimensional offense and teams will put all of their defensive focus on Harden because no one else will be scoring the ball. Let Harden have his 30 with 10-12 free throws.
This is a team that was beaten in the first round by Portland. They had no one to defend Aldridge (maybe Deng could do that, but they haven't signed him yet) and no one to defend Lillard. Houston is screwed unless they make changes, and by losing Asik and Lin, they've just gotten worse.
Statman said:
This was the defensive scheme the Celtics used to great success against LBJ in his first stint in Cleveland. It works remarkably well, particularly against someone like Harden because of his flat out refusal to play anything remotely resembling defense.
Woulda, coulda, shoulda, mighta. Houston is toast against any well-coached reasonably talented WC team if Hardin is their entire offense from beyond 3 feet from the basket.If you let harden go off on offense he might have the energy to play defense.
Point guard play really hurt Houston in the playoffs against Portland. That's a position they definitely need to upgrade. I like Beverly, but he's a role player.Brickowski said:Well if Houston doesn't like Rondo, so be it. Right now their starting point guard is Patrick Beverly. Good luck with that.
...Devizier said:
If Bosh stays in Miami, then Morey is kind of fucked this year.
I'm not sure what you and Brick were watching but Beverley is a good player and pretty perfect for what Houston needs in a PG. Since Harden basically always has the ball, they need a PG that isn't ball dominant, that can hit an open 3, and (since Harden is terrible defensively) a bulldog defender who can hound the other teams best offensive guard. That's pretty much Beverley to a T.NWsoxophile said:Point guard play really hurt Houston in the playoffs against Portland. That's a position they definitely need to upgrade. I like Beverly, but he's a role player.
If the Rockets had gotten anything out of Beverly in the first round,on either side of the floor, they win. Lillard abused Beverly all series. Beverly did not lock Lillard down, at all. He provided next to nothing on the offensive end either. He's an ideal role player, but no a starting point guard for a team that will make a deep run.tbb345 said:I'm not sure what you and Brick were watching but Beverley is a good player and pretty perfect for what Houston needs in a PG. Since Harden basically always has the ball, they need a PG that isn't ball dominant, that can hit an open 3, and (since Harden is terrible defensively) a bulldog defender who can hound the other teams best offensive guard. That's pretty much Beverley to a T.
Bosh would've been such a perfect fit for that team that, as a basketball fan, it's disappointing that he chose the money and comfort of South Beach over the Rockets. Basically Houston needs a 4 that is good defensively but also can play outside the paint and hit jumpers. I wouldn't be surprised if they signed Deng to a big short term contract to basically be their super charged version of what Battier did in MIA in 2013. A small ball 4 who can play on the perimeter on offense but is capable of banging down low as well
NWsoxophile said:If the Rockets had gotten anything out of Beverly in the first round,on either side of the floor, they win. Lillard abused Beverly all series. Beverly did not lock Lillard down, at all. He provided next to nothing on the offensive end either. He's an ideal role player, but no a starting point guard for a team that will make a deep run.
Devizier said:If Bosh stays in Miami, then Morey is kind of fucked this year.
I wouldn't. You have that trademarked.BigSoxFan said:You might even say that he was "garbage" in that series
Well, no. They also chased Melo for one thing.DrewDawg said:So, Houston's entire off-season plan was hope Miami got crushed in the finals and then they all opted out, enabling them to go after Bosh? They had no other plan?
bowiac said:Houston's plan is field a competitive team, acquire assets, and take a shot at getting a 3rd star. That's basically everyone's plan, except most teams don't have the first two stars in place already.
Devizier said:
At this point, Morey must be a little thankful that the Asik deal fell through.
Agreed, good points. He's hugely overrated defensively. A product of playing with Thibs & Noah and later Howard. He intimates no one on his own for 30+ minutes.bowiac said:The Rockets were less impressed with Asik's defense in a full time role than his rebounding numbers would suggest. Like a lot of guys, once he needed to worry about fouling out, his rim protection data fell declined.
They were eager to get an asset for him regardless of Bosh.
bowiac said:The Rockets were less impressed with Asik's defense in a full time role than his rebounding numbers would suggest. Like a lot of guys, once he needed to worry about fouling out, his rim protection data fell declined.
They were eager to get an asset for him regardless of Bosh.
The Rondo to Sacramento rumors were swirling (which is what rumors do) at the same time as Josh Smith to Sacramento rumors. I think Sac felt like they'd be able to convince Rondo to stay to play with Cousins and Smith (a good friend, apparently). I suspect they'll be less willing to offer the same value without Smith around.swingin val said:Hasn't Sacramento been rumored for some time as a landing spot for Rondo? They currently have nothing resembling even a backup PG on their roster now that Thomas is gone (unless I am missing some other move they have made). There isn't much on their roster that intrigues me outside of Cousins though. Seems ripe for a three way with Rondo going there.
Is it highly protected? The last report I saw said it had the "double" protection that the Lowry trade carried. The Rockets get the pick if it falls between 4 and 19, which is basically where I think most of us expect the Pelicans to land. That's a pretty nice get I think, in a draft that's rumored to be pretty decent.Devizier said:Is a highly protected first rounder that much of an asset? I'm thinking Asik's value might be in getting another player on an expiring contract. The TPE doesn't have the 25% provision. If the Rockets don't match Parsons, they have an actual roster issue on their hands.
DrewDawg said:
So, Houston's entire off-season plan was hope Miami got crushed in the finals and then they all opted out, enabling them to go after Bosh? They had no other plan?
Yeah I have no problem with Houston positioning themselves to be great. With Bosh, signing Parsons at max is fine since he's such a great fit and will continue to produce......without Bosh this becomes an overpay however on a short term max deal they salary slot gives Morey some flexibility over the next two summers on making a big splash.PedroKsBambino said:
Effectively, Houston gambled they could add a top guy and lost. The gamble they made was Parsons' option, and so it looks rather bad now because they lost on both parts of the play. But it was a calculated gamble to try to be great, I'd say, and the cost wasn't as huge as people think.
I say because I imagine they realize Parsons is as much a very good fit there as a truly great player; he's overpaid at the max and they are smart enough to know it. So, the scenario that actually occurred is one where a competitor does something kind of irrational, which certainly happens in the NBA, but is not necessarily what you plan for, either
I think they'd have no concern giving Parsons the max for a year (or maybe 2), but it's the 3rd year that causes problems. The Rockets still want to chase a 3rd star, be it Love, Durant, or Westbrook. Giving out a three year max deal to Parsons constrains them in that regard (although not impossibly, they can always package assets with Parsons later to move him if needed).HomeRunBaker said:It would be a mistake to simply allow Parsons to walk unless they can effectively fill that max slot this summer with another quality player.