Knock yourself outTo paraphrase George Carlin, this thread is like watching two flies fuck.
Knock yourself outTo paraphrase George Carlin, this thread is like watching two flies fuck.
Put it this way: what would result in a higher ultimate contract, starting out by saying that they're looking for 7/$210M, or starting out by saying they're looking for something more realistic like 6/$165M? Is there a plausible argument for the latter answer?Why would Boras do that? And why would JDM agree with that plan?
I think there is actually, I think the higher the price it is, the more it scares at least some teams off and sends them looking for other solutions. I'm not saying I know Boras' job better than him, but he definitely misread this market as badly as anyone.Put it this way: what would result in a higher ultimate contract, starting out by saying that they're looking for 7/$210M, or starting out by saying they're looking for something more realistic like 6/$165M? Is there a plausible argument for the latter answer?
Boras Bot needs to be reprogrammed with the latest CBA details... He is negotiating like its the old CBA MLB is underI think there is actually, I think the higher the price it is, the more it scares at least some teams off and sends them looking for other solutions. I'm not saying I know Boras' job better than him, but he definitely misread this market as badly as anyone.
That's nasty. She should get her back waxed. Would not hit.Knock yourself out
But what’s the point of getting more teams involved if their bids still top out well below what you want (and can even reasonably get)? Do all of those little bids push up the eventual contract more than Boras pulling it up by starting with unnaturally high expectations?I think there is actually, I think the higher the price it is, the more it scares at least some teams off and sends them looking for other solutions. I'm not saying I know Boras' job better than him, but he definitely misread this market as badly as anyone.
The sequel that neither Vincent Price nor Jeff Goldblum wanted released.Knock yourself out
I think the danger is not losing "little" bids but that you risk losing competitive bids.But what’s the point of getting more teams involved if their bids still top out well below what you want (and can even reasonably get)? Do all of those little bids push up the eventual contract more than Boras pulling it up by starting with unnaturally high expectations?
Talks are "heating up".Should we take that to mean the conversation is heating up, or Boras is calling Dombrowski a g—s—ef?
Did she finally shave her back?I'll tell you what's heating up: fly on fly action in this thread.
3. J.D. Martinez. The staredown with the Red Sox has been going on for weeks. And they certainly have a chance. But taking Martinez at his word, he’d rather play the outfield than DH and he absolutely loved Arizona, where he advised his childhood friend Alex Avila to sign and where they have hired his hitting guru Robert Van Scoyoc. As was reported on FanRag this week, they are working on creative ways to keep him. Prediction: Diamondbacks. Others: Red Sox, Blue Jays (long shot).
YesBoras spokesman Jon Heyman predicting JDM returning to Arizona. Foreshadowing or trying to provoke Dombrowski?
If JDM wants to take less to go to Arz, thats only going to hurt Boras...Boras spokesman Jon Heyman predicting JDM returning to Arizona. Foreshadowing or trying to provoke Dombrowski?
I can’t believe he gave the “mystery” third team away for Boras. This reeks of one final push for more money from Boras.Boras spokesman Jon Heyman predicting JDM returning to Arizona. Foreshadowing or trying to provoke Dombrowski?
Good catch there by you. Boras can't even keep the mystery team narrative going at this point.I can’t believe he gave the “mystery” third team away for Boras. This reeks of one final push for more money from Boras.
Boras spokesman Jon Heyman predicting JDM returning to Arizona. Foreshadowing or trying to provoke Dombrowski?
I think there’s a chance of that. Everything I’ve read about Martinez, however, suggests he’s a well-liked player and is appreciative for his career being revitalized so I’m not sure that will be a problem. Boras needs to explain to him the economics of the current market, not accuse Boston of being cheap.Probably a stupid question but here goes. If JDM offer is between something really low from Arizona and 100 million dollars from Boston, it seems obvious he will take the Boston offer. Isn't there a chance though he is going to be bitter and perhaps become a distraction throughout the season? Maybe at this point instead of waiting for JDM to begrudgingly take the money and become a problem the Sox should just walk away
I'll be gentle because unicorns are an endangered mythical species. This is NEVER a good way to begin a post on a forum whose cardinal rule is "don't suck."Probably a stupid question but here goes.
By all accounts, JDM has been DD's #1 target. By all accounts, they've made a 9-figure offer which has been out there for months. So now, when the pressure on JDM is increasing (due to the clock ticking on Opening Day), they should walk away?!?Maybe at this point instead of waiting for JDM to begrudgingly take the money and become a problem the Sox should just walk away
I assumed that "creative" meant in a Bobby Bonilla way.Unless Arizona’s “creative ways” include adding about a hundred million to their offer, there’s nothing here.
I don't think this is a stupid question but I don't think we know enough about the negotiations or JDM's current mindset to know how seriously the Red Sox should be considering this.Probably a stupid question but here goes. If JDM offer is between something really low from Arizona and 100 million dollars from Boston, it seems obvious he will take the Boston offer. Isn't there a chance though he is going to be bitter and perhaps become a distraction throughout the season? Maybe at this point instead of waiting for JDM to begrudgingly take the money and become a problem the Sox should just walk away
MLB is not the real world (this offseason is blatant proof of that). JDM is going to have to "settle" for something less than Boras' Binders say he's worth. Whether that's in Boston or Arizona or with the "Mystery Team." He's going to be playing baseball somewhere in 2018 and he's going to be paid upwards of $20M a year to do so. I'm fairly confident that he'll (at some point) get over the disappointment of not securing a $210M deal.I know that this correlates to general hiring practices in the real world. If I have a well qualified candidate for a job opening but his sense of what he's worth (right or wrong) is not in line with what I can pay for the position, that's a red flag for me. Even if he's willing to settle for lower pay because he needs a job, I'm going to be apprehensive. You want people who are happy with the opportunity and want to be there, not people who are settling.
I agree that a player under a five year contract is different than an At Will employee. But it isn't just the risk of them leaving that I worry about. A negative attitude can poison the well. Also it can affect performance.Your prospective job candidate may get what he’s looking for somewhere else, but Martinez isn’t.
You are certainly right about the first part and most likely right that he'll get over it. But there is a chance that he won't and it could be an issue.MLB is not the real world (this offseason is blatant proof of that). JDM is going to have to "settle" for something less than Boras' Binders say he's worth. Whether that's in Boston or Arizona or with the "Mystery Team." He's going to be playing baseball somewhere in 2018 and he's going to be paid upwards of $20M a year to do so. I'm fairly confident that he'll (at some point) get over the disappointment of not securing a $210M deal.
As with any human endeavor, there's always that chance. However, as DD's GM in Detroit for multiple years, DD has a wealth of insider knowledge as to JDM's personality, temperament, attitude, etc. I have faith that if DD isn't concerned about a potential JDM attitude issue, that SoSH shouldn't be either.You are certainly right about the first part and most likely right that he'll get over it. But there is a chance that he won't and it could be an issue.
Agreed.As with any human endeavor, there's always that chance. However, as DD's GM in Detroit for multiple years, DD has a wealth of insider knowledge as to JDM's personality, temperament, attitude, etc. I have faith that if DD isn't concerned about a potential JDM attitude issue, that SoSH shouldn't be either.
This was all sorts of awesome.Heyman took a shot at ESPN for not giving other reporter's credit. Buster responded with this....
Which makes me like Buster alot more than I did 5 minutes ago.
Heyman is a Yankee and Boras honk. He was advocating that one of our players be suspended for the rest of the season in September for the Apple Watch sign stealing issue vs. the Yankees. He's a tool.Heyman took a shot at ESPN for not giving other reporter's credit. Buster responded with this....
Which makes me like Buster alot more than I did 5 minutes ago.
Oddly enough he grew up a Dodger fan.I’ve never associated Heyman with the MFY, just Boras. Olney openly talks about being a Yankee fan as a kid - if I recall correctly, he could get their radio feeds in Vermont - but I don’t think it particularly shows up in his writing. I also don’t find him to be a reporter as opposed to a columnist, so I don’t put a lot of weight into what he types.
You’re right, he was a beat writer for the Yankees wasn’t he? I must be conflating the two.Oddly enough he grew up a Dodger fan.
At some point, yeah. First pay checks for 2018 are not cut for 2 months so he has some time. An extra year nets him 20 million or so, which makes losing a couple of checks for a million or so more bearable.the guy made 11.75 mil last year. when does the prospect of basically double that become really appealing to this guy? there has to be some practical "i need a paycheck" considerations here no?