0:48 in. Shoulder to shoulder, clear as day. The defender's head whipped because of the force of the hit.
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0:48 in. Shoulder to shoulder, clear as day. The defender's head whipped because of the force of the hit.
20 years ago, Floyd's hit would've been considered dirty, and likely would've been repaid by a vicious head shot from the safety the next time Floyd went for a catch over the middle.
The rules of the game are relevant, but not necessarily dispositive.
So you're the guy who quits smoking after 25 years of a pack a day habit and spends the rest of the days telling smokers they are killing themselves? You're not more sensitive to this stuff than most. Anyone with a brain can understand CTE, pain, and suffering.
He didn't hit helmet to helmet, though I agree with the larger point a few of you have made that the Floyd block is very dangerous, too....and he hit very high on that block too.
I'm as sensitive to player safety as anyone, but I disagree wth everything you say above.
Kiki Alonzo still sporting his signature crop top jersey even in this chilly weather. Well done, sir.
https://www.google.com/amp/thebiglead.com/2017/01/01/michael-floyd-blew-up-tony-lippett-on-a-vicious-block/amp/?client=safari
Closer shot of the play. Their helmets clearly collide.
Again, are we worried about rules or player safety? Rules are not written in stone and can be changed. A modicum of learning about brain trauma shows that it does not require blows to the head for it to happen. A whiplash can cause a concussion.
I don't know what to tell you, but you are clearly seeing whatever you want to see. It was a hard block and I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of it, but there is no helmet to helmet contact.
Yes it appears that the helmets may have touched, but Floyd clearly led with his shoulder. The Dupree hit earlier today was with the crown of his helmet to the chin of a QB.
I would have to watch the penalized Eli Rogers block again before I could comment on that play.
I think it's pretty clear from posts here that people can't properly understand it.
If you don't think personal experience counts for anything, than I have no idea how to have a conversation on this or most anything else.
I'd have no issue if they made Floyd's block illegal as well.
Football is an amazing sport, but they should continue to try to make it safer for the players. The hit on Moore in this game wasn't the dirtiest hit in the world, but it was absolutely avoidable and should be a penalty. I think the thing people are reacting to here is tits and asses assertion that hits like that should be a part of the game. They don't need to be, and the sport would be better without those kind of hits. Same with the Floyd hit.
Football is an amazing sport, but they should continue to try to make it safer for the players. The hit on Moore in this game wasn't the dirtiest hit in the world, but it was absolutely avoidable and should be a penalty. I think the thing people are reacting to here is tits and asses assertion that hits like that should be a part of the game. They don't need to be, and the sport would be better without those kind of hits. Same with the Floyd hit.
OK, so the rules of the game (and the players attitudes) are changing glacially slow. But one hit was legal and clean by today's standards and one wasn't. If they make the Floyd hit illegal starting in the 4th quarter of today's game I'm fine with it. But in the mean time shoulder to shoulder is legal and clean (if not down right nasty), and crown of helmet to jaw should be considered unsportsmanlike and receive an immediate ejection in my mind.
[And that replay shows that the first point of contact between Floyd and Lippett was shoulder to shoulder. It isn't even debatable.]
How? Let's put the helmet contact to the side. If there is no contact to the head how do you make that play illegal? You would have to say there is no hitting of defenseless players.
If there was head contact there, it is a foul. Seems pretty close to me, but if there wasn't, that's a tough foul to legislate to me unless you simply want to say defenseless players must be let go whether on offense or defense.
Aren't we seeing more with a brain that CAN'T understand CTE, pain, and suffering because of um... CTE?
Personally, I lean toward making the rules tougher on head-to-head and other dangerous hits. But I don't expect players to change the way they play before the rules encourage it. That defies logic and the competitive nature of the game.
The hit on Moore was dirty, illegal, dangerous, and unnecessary. Not sure what else there is to say.
Yeah, I agree with this. I've come to appreciate the college "targeting" rule. It sometimes creates results that seem unfair in individual cases, but that's what you need to do to get those hits of the game -- they are way, way down in college.
Matt Moore looks worse than Cook was yesterday against a less capable defense. And people think Jimmy G is not worth a first round pick.
He received a penalty. I think the debate was should be he be ejected. I'm struggling myself with loving the game and player safety. This game is not the same as it was in the seventies. It's not as good. But it is safer. There is something in the Christians vs. Lions analogy. Why should we enjoy men hurting themselves? Boxing and football. Two sports I enjoyed participating in and love watching. But I wouldn't let my son do either when he was growing up. It's a tough one.