When Is It Okay To Worry About Triston Casas: An Attempt at the Reverse Jinx
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Some years ago Gammons wrote that allowing Japanese vets to be eligible for ROY was disrespectful to Japan's major league.
As your numbers illustrate, Casas has been hitting well for two and a half months. Baseball doesn’t wait that long to begin adjusting to successful hitters. There almost certainly have already been the rounds of adjustment and readjustment you are talking about.
Those on the board who don’t follow the minors closely fretted during his first month that he was just another Dalbec who wouldn’t be able to hit in the majors. But Casas was an outstanding prospect—on another level than Dalbec—who hit well with good underlying metrics all the way through the minors. The team promoted him aggressively obviously liking what they saw at each step. No prospect is a sure thing, but this success is hardly a surprise. Casas struggled as nearly all rookies do and he is now demonstrating that he’s simply a really good hitter.
Rookies are inherently scary to us fans because we’re all waiting for the flameout that happened to so many others. I mean, I was on here back when Pedroia came up and hit .190 for a couple months in 2006 and April 2007 and the groans started up fairly quickly.
They are also exciting too though. Pedey became Laser Show quickly once he adjusted. I also remember Papelbon in ‘05 coming up as a starter and they then moved him to the BP for the stretch run where he absolutely kicked ass with each pressure-packed appearance in September with the playoffs on the line…we were all hooked after that.
Casas right now is like a hybrid…struggled a bit but not quite as long as Pedey and is now mashing bombs off MLB aces while we’re in a playoff race. But he’s always been the real deal as you said. I posted some statcast stuff in here a while back that basically supported him already being an above average hitter when his on-field numbers were still kind of blah. The luck finally turned in his favor…or more accurately, opposing pitcher’s luck ran out against him.
This is really well said. And not to derail the Casas thread, but it’s really remarkable to also have rookies of the caliber of Bello and Wong on the same team. Throw in Winckowski, Crawford, and Murphy and it’s just wild how many rookies are contributing to the team.
Bello, Crawford & Winckowski all technically aren't rookies (over 50 innings each last year).
But Bernardino & Yoshida are both rookies.
& your general point stands - lots of good contributions from newer players.
He's right about that.
It's almost as if Chaim Bloom is actually good at his job.
What's the rule in the NBA? If a guy plays in Europe's best league (which is good), and then comes to the NBA, is he eligible for ROY?
Yes. See Pau Gasol and Luka Doncic.
It’s rookie of the year based on players who are in their first year playing in MLB; I don’t think it’s disrespectful to any other league, not sure why Gammons was so offended. The criteria for eligibility seems pretty clear.
It’s rookie of the year based on players who are in their first year playing in MLB; I don’t think it’s disrespectful to any other league, not sure why Gammons was so offended. The criteria for eligibility seems pretty clear.
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Crawford I feel like has been a sneaky under-the-radar development this season in the long term sense. We’ve all been delighted how well he is in the short term being forced into the starting rotation, but there’s some evidence he’s not a fluke that is destined to return to a bullpen role.
If Crawford is real, that’s enormous for the young core to add another cost-controlled middle-rotation starter behind Bello.
Anyways I digress in the Casas thread. A potentially elite hitting power lefty bat is just as exciting. Esp in Fenway.
Is it equally disrespectful to the top European league, then, for the NBA to do it this way? (I'm not arguing either way; I'm asking)
I don’t think so. It’s MLB ROY; players in their first year of playing in MLB should all be eligible, no matter their age or where they played in the past; I don’t think it suggests anything about any other leagues.
Now, calling the championship of MLB the “World” Series may be disrespectful!
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It was quite a while ago but Gammons wasn't offended. He was just making the point that the Japan leagues are really good.
Gammons is a relentless optimist/pumper up of people. If he said that it was more about promoting how good the Japanese leagues are than it was about dragging down how the MLB does ROY eligibility. And I'd agree that the Japanese leagues are really good. Almost MLB level good and filled with extremely high level professionals. But there is still a talent gap in total between the leagues. It would be interesting to look at the talent distribution between the leagues. How many NPB players would be above average MLB players? Where would the champions of the NPB sit compared to MLB teams, would they be above the bottom few? I have no idea really, and without direct competition between the leagues I don't know how you could figure that out. In European soccer they have international competitions like the Champions league and Europa league to help figure that out, but the World Baseball classic doesn't have a big enough sample to help you figure things like that out.
That's a matter of opinion actually. Batters are really good at fouling off pitches.....defense is pretty shaky more often than not. How do I know? I watch a lot of game live and know a few players. If the Japanese all stars put together a team and played a 162 game schedule they'd be a .500 team imho
That video clip is pretty cool and shows that Casas is already a pretty chill guy around major leaguers. Not a bad thing at all to have a kid who feels like he belongs, which he clearly does. I'm sure the Team USA experience helped in that regard.
Nothing against him, but I hope Henderson doesn't win - it would be almost unfair at this moment in time to give the Orioles another top prospect.
Soto also doesn't really address a need. The offense is really good and should be for years to come. I would love to watch him play but I'm not sure adding him would make us that much better.
Pitching-wise we're more thin. Paxton, Sale, Whitlock, Houck, Crawford... Three of those guys are cost-controlled but the top-end is shaky..I wish we were the only ones looking for cost-controlled pitxhinf but we're not .
Pitching-wise we're more thin. Paxton, Sale, Whitlock, Houck, Crawford... Three of those guys are cost-controlled but the top-end is shaky..I wish we were the only ones looking for cost-controlled pitxhinf but we're not .
Kinda cool to have peak Todd Helton playing for Boston. Man is he on fire right now.
I love the HR tonight in the 5th. Two pitches fouls off his leg. Figures he’ll get another inside. Does he look to hook it? Nope. He somehow goes opposite way on a pitch inside and hits it 435 to left center at almost 110 mph.
Extension please
I love the HR tonight in the 5th. Two pitches fouls off his leg. Figures he’ll get another inside. Does he look to hook it? Nope. He somehow goes opposite way on a pitch inside and hits it 435 to left center at almost 110 mph.
Extension please
View: https://twitter.com/soxnotes/status/1685129032814493696?s=46
Triston Casas has 7 HR in only 12 games since the All-Star break.
Red Sox to hit at least 7 HR in a 12-game span at the age of 23 or younger:
Triston Casas
Ted Williams
Tony Conigliaro
Mookie Betts
George Scott
Ellis Burks
I do weddings and Bar/Bat Mitzvah’s as well.
He really is becoming appointment viewing.
It’s no longer silly to ask whether you think Casas will have a higher OPS than Devers by the end of the season, which is impressive.
It reminded me of the Devers bomb off Chapman when he was a rookie. Kid is scared of nothing.
Tweeterverse checks out:
View: https://twitter.com/pgammo/status/1685233451379671040?s=46&t=4DK5sD-8gsSKFExcsnEJqg
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View: https://twitter.com/cespedesbbq/status/1685130251976724480?s=46
Please appreciate how unique that power display is was. Basically the most impressive LCF homer by a lefties since they started tracking this stuff
Please appreciate how unique that power display is was. Basically the most impressive LCF homer by a lefties since they started tracking this stuff
The sprint speed matches the eye test too. Amazing how slow he is.
Would be nice to think we’ve got a solution at 1B for the next 5 years or so.
Would be nice to think we’ve got a solution at 1B for the next 5 years or so.
After that horrid first month, he's now on pace for 25 homers and 63 rbi, with an .852 ops (126 ops+).
Pretty nice.
But the way he's going, it's not going to take long before that "pace" looks more like 30 homers.
Dude is just 23 years of age.
Pretty nice.
But the way he's going, it's not going to take long before that "pace" looks more like 30 homers.
Dude is just 23 years of age.
The young man does not lack for confidence:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/07/29/sports/triston-casas-was-right-home-san-francisco-delivering-red-sox-win-over-giants/
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/07/29/sports/triston-casas-was-right-home-san-francisco-delivering-red-sox-win-over-giants/
We should probably be thinking about very long term deals with Casas. Like 8/$100 or 10/$130. Probably this off-season.
A ten year deal signed this offseason would take him through his age 34 season.
A ten year deal signed this offseason would take him through his age 34 season.
His oddness/cockiness or whatever it is that makes me wonder what his attitude would be regarding a Braves-like extension now. He seems a bit unpredictable
Something like a 7 year deal this offseason would buy out a couple FA years and take him to age 30-31 where he can get one more big payday…that seems like the most likely path both sides would agree on if they’re serious about an extension this soon. (And Casas has a skill set that is likely to both develop further and age really well, so I don’t see a reason to be scared of something into his age 31ish year).
I'm sorry, this is the funniest thing a Sox player has said since "Laser show, period" or "happy mother's day to all you mothers". This guy is going to be fun to root for for a long time.
"Tristan"? I know Gammo typos are a hearty perennial since forever, but c'mon, put some respect on the name of the league's best hitter.
