Week 16 Game Thread
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Turnovers are automatically reviewed so they lose their TO for throwing the red flag unnecessarily?
Why is that not reviewed?? Huh? Isnt that exactly what happened in the Pats game?
Edit: okay, the auto review. Carey with poor explanation.
Edit: okay, the auto review. Carey with poor explanation.
So the Latin guys say that because Kelly threw the flag when it's an automatic review then they took away his timeout. Not sure that makes sense.
Yep, that's the rule. It used to cancel the automatic review, which was total bullshit. This rule is...slightly... better.
Yep, that's the rule. It used to cancel the automatic review, which was total bullshit. This rule is...slightly... better.
trekfan55 said:
I understand the general point of the rule. The ref is supposed to react to that signal by the coach and immediately stop play. I assume the idea is to not have coaches throwing them left and right and then picking them up saying "my bad".
This situation is really dumb though. The play is already stopped by the booth. Just pick up the red flag and move on with life.
maufman said:
Yup, and not even particularly close. Still, it'll be 3 minutes before we get a ruling.
This part of your post has merit. I can't, off the top of my head, recall the exact offseason - it was either '10 or '11 - where it was reported Belichick and a few assistants had visited Kelly during spring workouts with the intention of incorporating variations of what he was doing into New England's offense.terrynever said:
I have no idea if the method of play calling in that set is different, however. I would think so, but who knows?
For some reason, I can't quote posts, or copy and paste, or do anything resembling what I should be able to, but with respect to the rule about throwing the flag in an auto-review situation.
There has to be a penalty of some sort, otherwise, throwing the flag can have an effect on the game. And just allowing coaches to pick it up and say "my bad" doesn't work. Yes, in the case of a turnover, there is an automatic review, however, the same rule applies to the last two minutes of the half where the booth is the only place that can call for a review. For example, when Chicago got the good spot at the end of the first half, Kelly couldn't throw the challenge flag because it was at the end of the half. The result was that Chicago got up to the line quickly, snapped it and spiked the clock. Had Kelly thrown the flag, it would have automatically stopped play and the clock, and likely given the booth time to call for a review. Kelly probably should have done it anyway, and given up a timeout so the booth would have taken a look, but that's the point of there being a penalty. In the case of a turnover or a scoring play where the clock is stopped, it's much less of a big deal, but there are instances where the play can't be reviewed (obviously, including a number of subjective calls that can't be reviewed anyway) and coaches could find ways to use the red flag in those situations to their advantage, so the rule has to be applied across the board.
There has to be a penalty of some sort, otherwise, throwing the flag can have an effect on the game. And just allowing coaches to pick it up and say "my bad" doesn't work. Yes, in the case of a turnover, there is an automatic review, however, the same rule applies to the last two minutes of the half where the booth is the only place that can call for a review. For example, when Chicago got the good spot at the end of the first half, Kelly couldn't throw the challenge flag because it was at the end of the half. The result was that Chicago got up to the line quickly, snapped it and spiked the clock. Had Kelly thrown the flag, it would have automatically stopped play and the clock, and likely given the booth time to call for a review. Kelly probably should have done it anyway, and given up a timeout so the booth would have taken a look, but that's the point of there being a penalty. In the case of a turnover or a scoring play where the clock is stopped, it's much less of a big deal, but there are instances where the play can't be reviewed (obviously, including a number of subjective calls that can't be reviewed anyway) and coaches could find ways to use the red flag in those situations to their advantage, so the rule has to be applied across the board.
quint said:
Colts beat the spread by 22.5 points, Cards beat the spread by 17.5 points. Pats beat the spread by 36.5 points, Eagles are currently beating the spread by 27.
Not that performance against the spread is the best way to answer the question, but it's useful.
Also impressive this week: Buffalo beat the spread by 21.5 points, and the Bengals beat the spread by 20 points.
terrynever said:
It's the wave of the now. Just off of the top of my head, I've seen the Bills, Jets, Saints, Eagles, Pats, and Broncos run the hurry-up. And a quick search gives articles about the Colts and Steelers running it.
Deathofthebambino said:
Completely agree - you have to make it a penalty to prevent willy-nilly flag throwing during the periods when the booth makes the call.
On a separate point about the bolded - the booth shouldn't allow that to happen. And If the coaches are better/faster at deciding to challenge than the booth is at deciding to review, there should be no automatic review, just give the coaches an extra challenge.
The last time the Eagles won this big was when they beat the Yankees 45-0 at Fenway Park in 1948.
Kelly's offense would be grossly oversimplified to just be called a hurry up offense.crystalline said:
He is already influencing the league with the packaged play in particular. But I think the genius of his offense is shown when nick freaking foles is so wide open on a zone read that he can pick up 15 yards untouched.
I think the Eagles o line was a perfect fit for him even before they got lane Johnson. It's fast, a good to very good run blocking line and very athletic. Mccoy is obviously a great fit.
If maclin was playing I think it would have been even more explosive. I mean he's made Riley cooper a solid wr.
Other things I think will change the league, is the sports science stuff. I mean look at Dallas 8+ hamstring injuries. Compared to the Eagles. The players are all saying they feel better than ever late in the season despite the fast pace and extra plays.
I thought Kelly was going to be great but fun and great is even better.
I mean he's taken basically the same offense as Reid had and in one year made it explosively better. 12 of 15 games with 400+ yards of offense. And 2 of those three had Matt Barkley showing his rookieness.
Even more exciting for the coaching side is that the d with limited new players and a total change in scheme to 3-4 has improved during the season dramatically. Players are clearly improving game to game.
Here's a nugget to bolster LondonSox's point about Chip Kelly's training methods: the Eagles have placed 0 people on Injured Reserve since the season began. Not one.
http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24385480/sorting-the-sunday-pile-cam-newtons-clutch-evolution
http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24385480/sorting-the-sunday-pile-cam-newtons-clutch-evolution
singaporesoxfan said:
What are those training methods?
Edit: London, I'm with you: they're fun to watch.