Week 11 NFL Game Thread

MuppetAsteriskTalk

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When you see a ranking like that, back away slowly, and don't bother posting it
Well I was posting it more as a laugh. But considering there are supposedly 3 advanced metric sites that have him in 6 or better, I was wondering what some of the posters into that kind of advanced stats stuff might have to say about it, because it's baffling to me.
 

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Well I was posting it more as a laugh. But considering there are supposedly 3 advanced metric sites that have him in 6 or better, I was wondering what some of the posters into that kind of advanced stats stuff might have to say about it, because it's baffling to me.
I think ranking coaches is near impossible on any sample size less than several seasons, and even then it’s pretty subjective for the most part. Some guys might be so awful that it’s obvious, but even great coaches don’t make decisions that are immediately obviously “great.” I’m more a baseball guy than football, so I’m not anywhere close to an expert on advanced football metrics, but I don’t even see how it’s possible to have advanced metrics regarding coaches, other than decisions about going for it vs punting and going for two vs kicking an extra point
 

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Ja’maar Chase is awesome, and seems to score touchdowns every week. So I looked up the rookie record for TD receptions. And holy shit, I didn’t realize Moss had 17. Chase has a solid chance for second most ever, though
 

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I think ranking coaches is near impossible on any sample size less than several seasons, and even then it’s pretty subjective for the most part. Some guys might be so awful that it’s obvious, but even great coaches don’t make decisions that are immediately obviously “great.” I’m more a baseball guy than football, so I’m not anywhere close to an expert on advanced football metrics, but I don’t even see how it’s possible to have advanced metrics regarding coaches, other than decisions about going for it vs punting and going for two vs kicking an extra point
I like Super Bowls won.
 

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I like Super Bowls won.
I too am partial to this metric.

For real, though, it really seems like team success is the best measure of a good head coach. Unless theyre truly awful, it’s hard to know over the course of a few games. Also, I was gonna use Freddie kitchens as the example of a truly awful coach, and saw hue Jackson was 3-36-1 in his time with Cleveland. Ouch
 

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Dallas defense really having a solid game. 19 points allowed in 9 possessions (not counting the kneeldown at the end of the half), plus two turnovers.

Their offense has one drive over 25 yards. Brutal.
 

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I too am partial to this metric.

For real, though, it really seems like team success is the best measure of a good head coach. Unless theyre truly awful, it’s hard to know over the course of a few games. Also, I was gonna use Freddie kitchens as the example of a truly awful coach, and saw hue Jackson was 3-36-1 in his time with Cleveland. Ouch
I don't think it's a particularly good metric, too much of winning SBs is about roster, which is a GM issue. The best is probably something like wins over expected, but parsing where you get your expected wins from is tough.
 

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I don't think it's a particularly good metric, too much of winning SBs is about roster, which is a GM issue. The best is probably something like wins over expected, but parsing where you get your expected wins from is tough.
I was mostly kidding about saying I liked the Super Bowls measurement. But yea, I don’t think it’s even possible to measure how many wins a team should win with an average head coach. I think you can tell who’s a good coach and who isn’t over the course of a few seasons, but picking between any two good coaches and saying one is better than the other is pretty futile for the most part.
 

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Announcer in Seahawks-Cardinals just said you can’t faceguard. It pisses me off how many people still think this is a rule
 

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Cowboys have had like 5 instances of renewed hope already in this game.

Until they can score a TD who cares. And even if they score, odds are that the Chiefs will kill most of the remaining clock.