LinkUPDATE (11:17 a.m.): Manger John Farrell told reporters they’ll still learning the extent of Vazquez’s injury, but said it’s unlikely he’ll be ready to go Opening Day.
LinkUPDATE (11:17 a.m.): Manger John Farrell told reporters they’ll still learning the extent of Vazquez’s injury, but said it’s unlikely he’ll be ready to go Opening Day.
benhogan said:If Vaz is done this season, go with Quintero/Hannigan combo, let Swihart get into a groove the first month at AAA.
Call up Swihart after a month and let him split the games with Hannigan. On the job training.
Blake will be a threat batting #9, so we'll have that going for us.
Sure. I was trying to put the brightest face on it, and moreso note that the positional player recovery timeline is not the same as for pitchers.amfox1 said:
No chance of that. For six months, they would focus on the PR winter league and his training with the Molinas.
RedOctober3829 said:Do you go with Hanigan and Swihart or Hanigan and Quintero?
DaveRoberts'Shoes said:I'm going with olecranon stress fracture. 4-6 weeks rest.
What the hell do I know?
Chainsaw318 said:Sure. I was trying to put the brightest face on it, and moreso note that the positional player recovery timeline is not the same as for pitchers.
czar said:The other obvious reason you don't rush Swihart is service time issues.
This feels like a knee jerk reaction.jasvlm said:
I'm not at all averse to letting Swihart start on Opening Day, and giving him a trial by fire. Inside the organization, he's likely the best player at the position that they've got, and if the prices are all too high elsewhere, I'd let him play. They are projecting to contend in 2015, and to me, that supersedes the consideration of his years of control or arb clock. If the team feels he can play, let's see him April 6th.
Absolutely, but keep in mind I am talking completely out of my assPearl Wilson said:
Any setback is bad news, but if you are right, this would seem like a better situation than UCL.
DaveRoberts'Shoes said:Absolutely, but keep in mind I am talking completely out of my ass
mloyko54 said:If Vazquez is out for the season there will almost certainly be a trade. We have a glut of outfielders and more prospects than we know what to do with. Who are some logical and realistic candidates?
Gets the whole $10 if he promises to keep his distance while he's talking.Papelbon's Poutine said:
Gash Prex said:I am missing something here - everybody seems very concerned, yet we have the games best catching prospect, who just put on a show in spring training and a very good veteran. Seems like we are in the best possible position to deal with a loss to Vazquez.
koufax32 said:Rays broadcast just said he will need TJ. Is this just poor reporting or is that floating in the twitterverse?
PORT CHARLOTTE, Fla. -- The results of the MRI administered to Christian Vazquez's throwing elbow Friday raised sufficient concerns for the Boston Red Sox catcher to seek a second opinion, manager John Farrell said Saturday morning.
Farrell was vague about the MRI's findings, but said he met with Vazquez on Saturday to discuss the results, and a decision to seek a second opinion was made
Farrell was asked if the MRI showed ligament damage, which would raise the possibility of surgery.
"I was not told specifically what's going on there," he said. "If, in fact, it involves [the ligament] to what extent, if it is involved, we just know there have been some findings in the MRI. I think before we get too far ahead of ourselves, a second opinion will be had and information compared, but clearly the MRI suggests that there's more information that's going to be had."
mloyko54 said:I'm more than fine with letting Swihart play the majority of games. He'll no doubt go through struggles, but the available alternatives are bleak..
moondog80 said:Jose Molina?
Assuming Vazquez he sits out the year, will this count as a year of service time?
Montana Fan said:Wonder what it would take to get Dan Butler back from the Cubs AAA team? I always thought he''d make a good ML backup and he knows the Sox system pretty well.
Puffy said:
Interesting idea, although I think Butler ended up on the Nationals.
Red(s)HawksFan said:
If he's on the DL, yes, it counts toward his service time. Only way around that is to option him rather than DL him (where presumably he'd sit on Pawtucket's DL instead). But considering they'll want to place him on the 60-day DL in order to gain the 40-man roster spot for Quintero or some other replacement, optioning him probably isn't really an option. And I imagine the MLBPA wouldn't look too kindly on the team doing that either.
It's different when there is an injury and the organization is already on record as saying the player is the starter.moondog80 said:
It's not like he's hit enough where optioning wouldn't be justified. But yeah, they'd look idiotic saying that they were planning on optioning him anyway. Though that hasn't stopped Theo from claiming Kris Bryant is being sent down for baseball reasons.
Danny_Darwin said:
Wellington Castillo
Dioner Navarro
Jason Castro
Wilin Rosario
Carlos Ruiz
None of those would be expensive, but they're also uninspiring options. Might as well stick with Hanigan/Quintero and hope Swihart shows himself ready in AAA.
Rudy Pemberton said:What is Quintero's rep defensively?
How common is this injury in non- pitchers?DaveRoberts'Shoes said:So, from what I've heard, they originally did a noncontrast MRI of his elbow and now they are repeating it with contrast. That means the diagnosis is still in doubt - might be a full UCL, might be a partial. If it's a partial they will almost undoubtedly try to manage it nonoperatively at least to start. If it's full thickness... well, you know the drill. So to speak.
No matter what the 2nd MRI shows, if the ligament is torn, he'll have surgery almost certainly. That way, he'll be ready to go early in 2015, perhaps by April. If they wait to have him try to play through it, and he's on the DL until he is able to play, we're still talking about mid May at the earliest. Then, if he has a setback, or the ligament won't allow him to throw as he needs to, not only does he miss the rest of 2015, but a big chunk of 2016 as well. If the UCL is injured, let him have surgery, and let Hanigan/Quintero share duties. I still favor using Swihart right away IF the coaching staff feels he is big league ready defensively. If they do not, then send him to AAA, hope he hits and learns to play defense, and then bring him up midseason. Sometimes making a bold move works out, especially when you are trying to win now.DaveRoberts'Shoes said:So, from what I've heard, they originally did a noncontrast MRI of his elbow and now they are repeating it with contrast. That means the diagnosis is still in doubt - might be a full UCL, might be a partial. If it's a partial they will almost undoubtedly try to manage it nonoperatively at least to start. If it's full thickness... well, you know the drill. So to speak.
It's important to remember that Christian Vazquez is an actual human being with an actual elbow, and that Tommy John surgery is an actual surgical procedure with all of the risks inherent in a major surgery. Even pitchers, who face a longer and less certain recovery, often choose to wait and rehab before going under the knife, even when a look at the baseball schedule seems to indicate "the sooner the better".jasvlm said:No matter what the 2nd MRI shows, if the ligament is torn, he'll have surgery almost certainly. That way, he'll be ready to go early in 2015, perhaps by April. If they wait to have him try to play through it, and he's on the DL until he is able to play, we're still talking about mid May at the earliest. Then, if he has a setback, or the ligament won't allow him to throw as he needs to, not only does he miss the rest of 2015, but a big chunk of 2016 as well. If the UCL is injured, let him have surgery, and let Hanigan/Quintero share duties. I still favor using Swihart right away IF the coaching staff feels he is big league ready defensively. If they do not, then send him to AAA, hope he hits and learns to play defense, and then bring him up midseason. Sometimes making a bold move works out, especially when you are trying to win now.