Tyreek Hill Traded to Miami
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Also agrees to a new contract...This is bad news for the AFC West/AFC. Unload before he becomes a liability.
Initial thoughts are Hill and Waddle on the field at the same time is absolutely insane. Gesicki can play the Kelce role of eating in the soft coverage underneath.
I mentioned this in the Miami thread, but Miami pulled this off and kept their two firsts next year. This is Tua’s final stand. If he doesn’t get it done, those two picks are earmarked for another QB next year.
I mentioned this in the Miami thread, but Miami pulled this off and kept their two firsts next year. This is Tua’s final stand. If he doesn’t get it done, those two picks are earmarked for another QB next year.
Wait, Davante Adams is worth a 1 (22) and 2 (53), but Hill is worth a 1 (29), 2 (50), 4 (121 or 125) and 4, 6 next year?
Seems like the Raiders got a deal.
Edit: Even got a better deal on the contract.
Seems like the Raiders got a deal.
Edit: Even got a better deal on the contract.
Good for the AFC East, I think. Giving away that much draft capital for a WR seems ludicrous.
Why is it bad news for the AFC West? Isn't it good that Hill is no longer on the Chiefs?
This does seem like bad news for the AFC East because Hill is a problem when he's on the field.
That is not that bad. My guess is it's a two year contract at 30m each.
I don't think Hills skill set last much longer, but that contract makes sure the Fins can move on it seems (without knowing the detail's).
I don't think Hills skill set last much longer, but that contract makes sure the Fins can move on it seems (without knowing the detail's).
I think he will not age well and is a "fall-off-a-cliff" candidate. I was hoping the Chiefs would be burdened with a bunch of horrible contracts and waste PM for the next 4 years.
Gotcha. I was looking at this solely through the lens of next year, when Hill will presumably still be a real problem on the field.
Miami poised to make some noise this year. And this should make Tua’s first reads even easier. Pats lack of DBs or quick LBs becoming…more concerning.
Tua ain’t the guy. Miami will be better if he’s terrible and they are forced to move on. But 2023 Dolphins look formidable…IF they can find themselves a better QB. They should draft 1-2 in later rounds or trade next year’s to move back into the first to nab one this year imo. You can’t waste this talent and money on Tua.
Yeah, that was my initial reaction. 1/3 of a billion for Hill and Watson this week.
That seems pretty bad, though, especially given the draft capital? This is a go for it now move with a bottom 10 QB.
Although an overpay, this is the type of deal you make when you know that you have a top QB, not when your fingers are crossed that yours will pan out.
5 picks and a huge new deal? I have a feeling this deal isn't going to work out so well for Miami over the long run.
That's my take, honestly. But after years of enduring local adoration for Roethlisberger, I've become desensitized.
'So hey Tommy, remember when you wanted to come to Miami before the whole lawsuit stuff. You mind shooting your way out of Tampa and helping us out on the field?'
I suppose....
But the other positions would have been filled by way of undrafted free-agents since there wouldn't be any cap-space remaining.
While this is obviously not good for the Pats, so the schadenfreude is with hesitance, that's a shitty trade for Miami. That is an ENORMOUS amount to give up for the right to give out that deal and that's before you factor in that Tua's ceiling is probably not top 3rd of the QBs league at any given time.
As an NFL fan, I'm excited to be able to watch Mahomes do magic shit and not have to hear announcers fawn over an abuser when he does it.
As an NFL fan, I'm excited to be able to watch Mahomes do magic shit and not have to hear announcers fawn over an abuser when he does it.
This is where I am at - its a huge draft and financial commitment to Hill that I don't see moving the needle with Tua - plus McDanials is a rookie head coach.
I also think that the Chiefs will be a much less dangerous team without Hill. Mahomes looked very human at times last year and without Hill I think its a lot easier to gameplan the Chiefs offense.
That's an awful trade for Miami. They will regret it immediately.
Hill is not getting any faster and now he's not playing on a top flight offense with an excellent QB. He will be terrible. And Miami gave up everything to get him. I am shocked.
I am fascinated by this new discounting of draft pick value. It feels like the Rams won a SB by trading away a huge number of picks and now teams are falling all over themselves to give away their picks. Seems like a bad idea.
As already observed above, this feels like putting a lot of eggs in the Tua basket.
As already observed above, this feels like putting a lot of eggs in the Tua basket.
Jets offer was 35, 38 and 69 for Hill and 103. Chiefs were good with it but let Hill pick.
View: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1506684226900533253?s=20&t=OFbziDhKGgEX05tCMkl_SQ
View: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1506684226900533253?s=20&t=OFbziDhKGgEX05tCMkl_SQ
Again, Miami pulled this trade off without giving away two firsts next year. This is putting all your eggs in the Tua basket for a single season.
He plays well or he doesn’t. If he doesn’t, the draft class in 2023 is a loaded QB class and Miami will have the requisite capital to move on from Tua.
If he plays well, they have two firsts to utilize on the rest of the roster.
The problem with the NFL being so follow-the-trend is that you never know when a team that has success with a certain formula is an outlier. The Rams just had a perfect storm of circumstances fall in line for them -- SF winning two crazy games, the Bucs stupid blitz call -- even after going for broke.
It comes down to who you've got in the front office making the calls on this strategy ... and then having fortune falling in your favor.
That's a really good trade for KC. Get rid of a big contract, and pick up extra picks in a good WR draft. The anti-Rams approach. If they get lucky and find a Deebo or Chris Godwin (meaning a productive guy with a later pick) they'll be in better shape than if they had kept Hill.
Edit-to be clear, they are not going to replace Hill's explosiveness and production. But 80%, at a fraction of the cost-that's a BB type move.
Edit-to be clear, they are not going to replace Hill's explosiveness and production. But 80%, at a fraction of the cost-that's a BB type move.
That's accurate. it's the absolute right move at the absolute right time to sustain KC's excellence. I hate this trade so much.
I think you are overestimating how easy it will be to move up to a top 3ish pick to get one of the top QBs. Even if Tua is bad, I don't expect the Dolphins to be much worse than .500 (unless their team has more than just a Tua problem) & the 49ers pick should also be 2nd half of the first round.
These teams probably project to be worse than the Dolphins this year even if Tua is not so good & would also be likely looking for a QB: Texans/Giants/Falcons/Seahawks/Panthers. The Seahawks & Texans also have 2 1st round picks next year.
That may have been the sound of KC's window slamming shut. Kelce was not nearly the unstoppable force of years past last season and he's going to be 33. JuJu hasn't been good in 4 years and was pretty terrible even before his injury last season. They lost Robinson and Pringle this offseason so their depth is shaky too. Who knows what's up with Josh Gordon but he's pretty cooked too.
EDIT: It ain't easy replacing game-breakers like Tyreek Hill.
EDIT: It ain't easy replacing game-breakers like Tyreek Hill.
Spending that much money and draft capital with the 2023 plan being "I hope Tua doesn't continue to play the way he has throughout his career this year" and the 2024 plan being "Let's hope the QB we draft has a nearly-unprecedented ability to be effective in his first year in the NFL" seems unwise to me. I guess we'll see.
Edit: I will note that the Pats tried that 2024 plan last season and it was not a resounding success.
Hill and Waddle (and Waddle has some overlap with Hill) is ridiculous on one team. With a better OL and firepower with pass catchers it’s sink or swim for Tua. My guess is he’s going to be good enough for them to pass on a QB but not good enough to ever get them over the top.
I think the 2022 plan is actually let’s give Tua two completely uncoverable receivers, a franchise LT, actual RB talent, and an innovative head coach and proper scheme to see if he can capture his Alabama form.
I agree with this. Who is looking really bad for next year? Texans, Falcons, JESTS, Lions, Giants, Jax, Seahawks, Washington? A couple of those are bound to take a QB this year and shit can change in a hurry, but there will be more than a few teams in the bottom 8 (or so) looking for a QB in the next draft.
Yeah, I also don't expect any of the guys from this draft to be anyone's long-term solution with the exception of potentially Malik Willis.
Regarding the Chiefs & WRs...we have a shiny Nelson Agholor I am willing to put on the block for draft capital. Also, the really good WR draft thing. I fully expect the Chiefs to get a guy or 2 in this draft who will make an immediate impact. They obviously won't be Hill, but they'll be ok.
FWIW, as a Dolphins fan, playing around with mocks…most every time, I wound up with a WR that fell at 29 and Kenneth Walker at 50. So while those two would certainly be cheaper…In terms of draft capitol, to me, it kind of feels like Hill and Mostert/Edmunds, instead of two rookies.
Beyond that, there’s a lot to process. To say I was caught off guard when I saw the notification is an understatement. First reaction probably skews a bit negative, as Hill obviously has baggage and I have a working hypothesis that WR will begin to be viewed like RB’s in terms of value (especially second contracts) in the near future…but yeah, a lot to process…especially since “holy shit…Waddle and Hill with McDanie”, is also on the table.
Beyond that, there’s a lot to process. To say I was caught off guard when I saw the notification is an understatement. First reaction probably skews a bit negative, as Hill obviously has baggage and I have a working hypothesis that WR will begin to be viewed like RB’s in terms of value (especially second contracts) in the near future…but yeah, a lot to process…especially since “holy shit…Waddle and Hill with McDanie”, is also on the table.
In addition to the teams you listed:
The entire non-TB NFC South seems likely to be putrid: you mentioned Atlanta, but Carolina is likely to be pretty bad, even if they get a short-term QB, and who knows what New Orleans is doing (but they also need a QB).
I don't think Pittsburgh is going to win more than 5 games (Jets, Saints, @Atlanta, @Carolina and then a lucky win), and they need a QB.
I think this is a much better move for Miami than for KC. In a vacuum I don't hate the idea of trading any WR for this much draft capital (especially one who relies so much on speed), but Hill hasn't really shown any signs of slowing down yet, and KC is a title contender that just got significantly worse on the field for at least the next 2 seasons. If this were Seattle or Atlanta trading away a 28 year old all-pro it'd be different. Maybe this makes KC a better team starting in 2024, but even with Mahomes, life is short in the NFL. Maybe they are making the best of a bad situation (knowing they couldn't keep Hill), but that they are still worse off today than they were yesterday.
Miami had the resources to spare, Hill is the sort of impact player worth spending on. As noted above it's put up or shut up time for Tua. Hill has already proven himself without Mahomes (he had 136 catches, 1776 yards and 13 TDs in his first two seasons with Alex Smith under center). I'm curious how Mahomes reacts.
Miami had the resources to spare, Hill is the sort of impact player worth spending on. As noted above it's put up or shut up time for Tua. Hill has already proven himself without Mahomes (he had 136 catches, 1776 yards and 13 TDs in his first two seasons with Alex Smith under center). I'm curious how Mahomes reacts.
While WR talent is becoming more replaceable and bountiful by the year, Hill has ability that few humans on earth have.
He’s fast, yes. But he also runs routes really well. Most speed guys do not. He also has legitimate ball skills. He has really good hands. He’s also been remarkably durable for a smaller guy that relies so much on his speed.
That combination of talent and physical ability is so, so rare. That’s why I chuckle at the “they’ll just replace him with Byron Pringle or some guy at the end of the first and get similar production for way cheaper.” No, they won’t.
Yes, Mahomes is an otherworldly talent, but who is getting behind the defense now when he does his scramble drill? Who is lifting the coverage off of Kelce constantly? Teams don’t fear Byron Pringle.