RIP Toucher and Rich Show ... It was fun while it lasted

[nayrbrey]

Their talk with Gronkowski was great this AM, definitely worth a Podcast listen. They basically talked all about the brothers beating the crap out of each other every day, playing "Zoom" basically stuffing pillows in their shirts and running at each other at full speed.
Then it turned to his luck with the ladies, and how some gal gave him her number, which he passed on to Edelman. he definitely sounded like he is the (stereo)typical Football player.

Could turn into something great if they can build up a relationship with him.

 

[SocrManiac]

This morning's Pink Hat is a bar setter.

 

[Carmine Hose]

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/09/16/toucher-richs-ask-a-pink-hat-elsimir/

 

[dirtynine]

The Brady audio from the Belichick film had me dying.

 

[HomeBrew1901]

The Brady audio from the Belichick film had me dying.

Especially when they compared it to Adolfo and the Brady Bunch. I was cackling out loud.

 

[FelixMantilla]

Wallach kept referring to Hernandez' injury as an "ACL" sprain rather than an "MCL" spring. He's just annoying.

 

[Carmine Hose]

an "MCL" spring.

How dare Jon Wallach make a mistake.

 

[PC Drunken Friar]

He truly is the only bad thing about that show. He rambles on for 45 seconds at a time, saying the exact same thing 4 different ways, and tyhey are always the most obvious things.

 

[HomeBrew1901]

Best Red Sox Recap EVERRRRRRR. Seriously, after a loss like last night, that was mother bleeping, awesome, those bleeeeep, really ripped the Sox.

 

[FelixMantilla]

Best Red Sox Recap EVERRRRRRR. Seriously, after a loss like last night, that was mother bleeping, awesome, those bleeeeep, really ripped the Sox.

I was just going to post that. The guy was awesome. And I loved the suggestion the rant be retitled: "Open Letter to John Henry."

 

[The Napkin]

This is a link to the youtube of the guy from this morning, unedited

THIS AUDIO IS NSFW

 

[fenwaypaul]

[embedding removed]

You just beat me to it, but you should have made this a link. The audio is very NSFW.

 

[The Napkin]

very good call, thanks...

 

[dirtynine]

The guy had great delivery, but what he was saying was (IMO) total garbage.

 

[HomeBrew1901]

The guy had great delivery, but what he was saying was (IMO) total garbage.

What part of a drunk guy ranting and rambling after a pathetic loss, in the midst of what could be an epic collapse, was (IYO) "total garbage"?

 

[dirtynine]

No, drunken rambling is cool, but I prefer absurd incoherence to whiny anger. I bet that guy thinks like that 24/7 about the team, as do thousands of Sox fans. It's just so entitled and shitty.

 

[Dave Stapleton]

Rich tweeted today that he just taped a Naughty Mazz/New Jack Edwards type bit with CHB. This could be interesting.

 

[HomeBrew1901]

I'm sure others will disagree, but the Dan Shaugnessy bit was pretty awful today. It was humorous for the first 2 minutes adn quickly fizzled.

It got so bad that I switched to D&C where they were having a really good discussion about the Sox.

 

[Andy Merchant]

Yeah, the Shaugnessy bit wasn't good. Not bad enough for me to switch to EEI, but still pretty bad. Hopefully this will disappear from the airwaves along with What's Tappenin.

 

[HomeBrew1901]

I'll give them credit for trying something new because New Jack and Naughty Mazz, along with the Rap Battle were and are still awesome, but I couldn't handle Fred cackling over something that he found hilarious that I thought was horrible.

When talking sports D&C are still really good, had they been talking politics I would have switched to the IPOD.

 

[plusbrians]

I heard T&R say they were giving away passes to see all 4 trophies in one spot - way to early for me to catch. What's the story with this?

 

[NortheasternPJ]

They're replaying it now, its just not funny IMO.

 

[HomeBrew1901]

If you get the chance, download the Goucher at the Movies from today. I think that may be the hardest I have ever laughed at one of their bits and that goes for the Rap Battle. I was at the exit waiting for the light to turn green crying I was laughing so hard.

"Too Late to Go Top Shelf"

"Things are starting to get weird"

 

[pedros hairstylist]

I'm sorry, but these guys suck. They're like FM morning drive guys from 1983. "Who's the Biggest A-hole of the Red Sox Collapse?" Is this "The Big Mattress" with 10 minutes of sports thrown in?

 

[Dave Stapleton]

I'm sorry, but these guys suck. They're like FM morning drive guys from 1983. "Who's the Biggest A-hole of the Red Sox Collapse?" Is this "The Big Mattress" with 10 minutes of sports thrown in?

They throw a lot of stuff against the wall. Some of it works some doesn't but their hit rate is pretty decent.

 

[Razor Shines]

I'm usually a fan, but yeah, the Red Sox bit is awful. Stretching Josh Beckett fat jokes over multiple mornings was a really lazy idea. It doesn't help that their buddies Mazz and CHB are concurrently squeezing the life out of the story in their columns.

 

[HomeBrew1901]

I'm sorry, but these guys suck. They're like FM morning drive guys from 1983. "Who's the Biggest A-hole of the Red Sox Collapse?" Is this "The Big Mattress" with 10 minutes of sports thrown in?

They're an aquired taste and certainly aren't for everyone. They are most definitely "frat boy" humor guys and some fo their stuff works and some doesn't. This was the first time I heard the A-hole stuff all week so it didn't bug me like it might have if I had heard it for the entire week.

The Goucher goes to the movies bit was great though.

 

[BrotherMouzone]

I'm usually a fan, but yeah, the Red Sox bit is awful. Stretching Josh Beckett fat jokes over multiple mornings was a really lazy idea. It doesn't help that their buddies Mazz and CHB are concurrently squeezing the life out of the story in their columns.

I do believe, however, that they said after this bit is done, they're done talking about the topic. So after Monday or Tuesday of next week, you won't have to hear about it.

 

[Billy Jo Robidoux]

I'm sorry, but these guys suck. They're like FM morning drive guys from 1983. "Who's the Biggest A-hole of the Red Sox Collapse?" Is this "The Big Mattress" with 10 minutes of sports thrown in?

Hold your tongue, you Philistine! TBM was the greatest radio program ever produced.

 

[erfus]

I'm usually a fan, but yeah, the Red Sox bit is awful. Stretching Josh Beckett fat jokes over multiple mornings was a really lazy idea. It doesn't help that their buddies Mazz and CHB are concurrently squeezing the life out of the story in their columns.

I like the show, but I think their light-hearted Sox-related stuff is pretty consistently bad. For every diamond in the rough that comes out of drunken recaps and pink hat interviews, there are 10 bits that are just worthless. I hate to be one of those people that just rag on Wallach, but I feel like if they had another sports-guy in there who was a little more knowledgeable and a lot less annoying they could feel more free to banter instead of trying to fill every second of time with material.

 

[pedros hairstylist]

I like the show, but I think their light-hearted Sox-related stuff is pretty consistently bad. For every diamond in the rough that comes out of drunken recaps and pink hat interviews, there are 10 bits that are just worthless. I hate to be one of those people that just rag on Wallach, but I feel like if they had another sports-guy in there who was a little more knowledgeable and a lot less annoying they could feel more free to banter instead of trying to fill every second of time with material.

He drives me absolutely nuts. I am pretty sure I had a rant here about Wallach 5 years ago that I would stand by if I could find it. The guy's job is to read the news. I am pretty sure the "Flash Boys" or whatever they call them on TSH are also the ones who write the copy they read and perhaps, even decide what is newsworthy enough to read. Leaving aside the ability to judge what is fresh and new information and what is not (Wallach isn't great, but I'm giving him a total pass on this), the guy knows absolutely nothing about news writing. He just strings words together and reads them without thought as o what he's saying and if it is accurate.

Case in point: today, his lead story was, in effect, "THE BRUINS WON LAST NIGHT!!!" So what does his copy say? "The Bruins scored SIX unanswered goals against the Toronto Maple Leafs last night in a 6-2 victory at the Garden." Really? Six "unanswered" points in a game in which the opponent scored two goals? He does this kind of sloppy stuff all the time, using inaccurate words or casual expressions, when upon closer examination, they don't hold up. I could give 1,000 other examples of this -- when you listen to Felger and Mazz, you can tell they are reporters. Although they talk in broad brush points, they are generally pretty accurate in stating or restating what has occurred. They don't say "Red Sox pitchers were drinking in the dugout" and then go into a rehash of Amorosino's story without including the information that it is a claim made by people that appeared in Amorosino's piece as opposed to being a fact.

 

[DieHardSoxFan1]

He drives me absolutely nuts. I am pretty sure I had a rant here about Wallach 5 years ago that I would stand by if I could find it. The guy's job is to read the news. I am pretty sure the "Flash Boys" or whatever they call them on TSH are also the ones who write the copy they read and perhaps, even decide what is newsworthy enough to read. Leaving aside the ability to judge what is fresh and new information and what is not (Wallach isn't great, but I'm giving him a total pass on this), the guy knows absolutely nothing about news writing. He just strings words together and reads them without thought as o what he's saying and if it is accurate.

Case in point: today, his lead story was, in effect, "THE BRUINS WON LAST NIGHT!!!" So what does his copy say? "The Bruins scored SIX unanswered goals against the Toronto Maple Leafs last night in a 6-2 victory at the Garden." Really? Six "unanswered" points in a game in which the opponent scored two goals? He does this kind of sloppy stuff all the time, using inaccurate words or casual expressions, when upon closer examination, they don't hold up. I could give 1,000 other examples of this -- when you listen to Felger and Mazz, you can tell they are reporters. Although they talk in broad brush points, they are generally pretty accurate in stating or restating what has occurred. They don't say "Red Sox pitchers were drinking in the dugout" and then go into a rehash of Amorosino's story without including the information that it is a claim made by people that appeared in Amorosino's piece as opposed to being a fact.

Without having watched the game, I would venture a guess that the Bruins trailed 2-0 before unleashing holy hell by scoring six consecutive goals. If true, the Bruins would have scored...six unanswered goals.

 

[Commander Shears]

Not a defense of Wallach, but that example goes way beyond him as sometime in the last few years the word 'unanswered' has come to be interchangeable with 'consecutive'. Every week you'll hear either a play-by-play or highlights announcer refer to a team scoring some number of unanswered points, before the other team then scored to bring us to our current score. Is not good.

EDIT: Oh, and the Leafs scored first and last. It was 0-1, 6-1, then 6-2.

 

[Fisks Of Fury]

Well then, see? Technically those 6 goals WERE unanswered. Until they weren't. About a minute later.

 

[FelixMantilla]

The Leafs led 1-0, the Bruins then scored six goals before Toronto scored the last goal of the game. By my count that is five unanswered goals.

I don't hate Wallach as much as some, but he's really not very good.

 

[pedros hairstylist]

Technically, no. It would be only four unanswered points since 6-2 = 4. Bottom line, "unanswered" doesn't mean "consecutive."

 

[TFP]

Technically, no. It would be only four unanswered points since 6-2 = 4. Bottom line, "unanswered" doesn't mean "consecutive."

If we're going to be nitpicky, they're goals, not points. And none of the goals were unanswered, since the Leafs scored last, which was the "answering" part. If the Bruins had held on to win 6-1, it would have been 6 unanswered goals, but they didn't. But as has been mentioned, this isn't particular to Wallach, that term has crept into the vernacular to mean consecutive, which is unfortunate since that's not what it means.

However, calling goals "points" and holding up Felger and Mazz as examples of hosts who are accurate in recounting what happened undermines any of your points. Wallach may misuse a word, but Felger and Mazz consistently get facts wrong, no matter what vocabulary they use. Felger hasn't been a reporter in almost a decade and Mazz has lost all of his beat reporter instincts in the 5+ years since he's been on the Sox beat. They are not who you want to hold up as the paragon of accuracy here.

And T+R try out a TON of different bits. Most work, some are home runs (98 Mile) and some bomb pretty badly. The good thing is that they keep trying different stuff in light of this, rather than lazily going through the motions. I actually like that they have bits that fail horribly, it means they're trying different stuff. I agree with erfus though that the Red Sox discussions are their weakest points, which seems to be the trend across 98.5 as a whole. The whole station has a blind spot when it comes to discussing baseball rationally.

 

[pedros hairstylist]

If we're going to be nitpicky, they're goals, not points. And none of the goals were unanswered, since the Leafs scored last, which was the "answering" part. If the Bruins had held on to win 6-1, it would have been 6 unanswered goals, but they didn't. But as has been mentioned, this isn't particular to Wallach, that term has crept into the vernacular to mean consecutive, which is unfortunate since that's not what it means.

However, calling goals "points" and holding up Felger and Mazz as examples of hosts who are accurate in recounting what happened undermines any of your points. Wallach may misuse a word, but Felger and Mazz consistently get facts wrong, no matter what vocabulary they use. Felger hasn't been a reporter in almost a decade and Mazz has lost all of his beat reporter instincts in the 5+ years since he's been on the Sox beat. They are not who you want to hold up as the paragon of accuracy here.

And T+R try out a TON of different bits. Most work, some are home runs (98 Mile) and some bomb pretty badly. The good thing is that they keep trying different stuff in light of this, rather than lazily going through the motions. I actually like that they have bits that fail horribly, it means they're trying different stuff. I agree with erfus though that the Red Sox discussions are their weakest points, which seems to be the trend across 98.5 as a whole. The whole station has a blind spot when it comes to discussing baseball rationally.

Right. I'm aware they're called goals. And goals in hockey are each worth one point, unlike say football. So since we are all being "nitpicky" as you say, then using points on the board as a synonym for goals is not incorrect. The difference between Felger and Mazz's job is that they are talking extemporaneously and offering opinions -- Wallach is supposed to be delivering the news and does so from a script that he writes. He is presumably not pulling things from memory like they are.

 

[dirtynine]

Love the show; the Sox a-hole bit sucks. Glad it's done. Re. Wallach, when they started at 98.5, I think Fred and Rich were under the impression (and were sold the idea by management) that they needed and were getting a sports/numbers supergenius in Wallach - they would try to play to his knowledge of numbers and even defer to his opinions based on the idea that he knew his shit. Over the past few years, it's slowly dawned on them that he's basically a flash guy without much extra insight (and without any comic inkling to boot), so, they do what they can with him. What bugs me the most about Johnny Wallgame is that he always says the most obvious, lame cocktail party rejoinder to any gag on the show. "Oh, now you've done it!" "You did not just say that!", etc.

 

[smastroyin]

He was foisted on them, they did not choo choo choose him, IIRC.

 

[Blacken]

I'm aware they're called goals. And goals in hockey are each worth one point, unlike say football.

This is wrong. Goals are not "worth" anything; they're goals. A point is awarded to a player for a goal or an assist. Two (unrelated to the former) points are awarded to a team when they win and one when they lose in overtime.

Blathering on about "points" as a synonym for goals when you're taking someone to task for being inaccurate and sloppy is pretty funny. And, as TFP mentioned, Felger and Mazz often seem to feel that they're entitled to their own facts when it comes to recounting what happened in sports.

 

[NortheasternPJ]

I love T&R but I agree this Which Red Sox is the biggest Ahole was a complete dud. Talk about a boring segment (and too many segments) with no format and often was not even on topic.

 

[pedros hairstylist]

This is wrong. Goals are not "worth" anything; they're goals. A point is awarded to a player for a goal or an assist. Two (unrelated to the former) points are awarded to a team when they win and one when they lose in overtime.

Blathering on about "points" as a synonym for goals when you're taking someone to task for being inaccurate and sloppy is pretty funny. And, as TFP mentioned, Felger and Mazz often seem to feel that they're entitled to their own facts when it comes to recounting what happened in sports.

A goal has no value? So putting the puck in the net 10 times by one team and 0 times by another results in a score of 33 to 5?

 

[HomeBrew1901]

A goal has no value? So putting the puck in the net 10 times by one team and 0 times by another results in a score of 33 to 5?

Ummmm, yeah, I've only been following the Bruins for a year and all, but even I know that there is a difference between goals and points in hockey just like baseball is scored in runs. I've never heard anyone say the Sox won or lost by 2 points, this isn't basketball.

 

[Hendu for Kutch]

Let's do an SAT example:

Goal :: Point

as

Inch :: Decibel

They're not interchangeable, they both measure different things. A goal is worth one goal.

 

[kenneycb]

All goals are points but not all points are goals. It's the same as the circle-square thing. kthxbye.

 

[Blacken]

Jesus, kenney, how many fucking corners do your circles have?

 

[kenneycb]

Huh. I really shouldn't have made that edit. A lesson to all you kids out there, drinking and posting are bad. No wonder my membership is all messed up.

 

[PBDWake]

Wallach was in rare (awful) form this morning. Fred was going on off the Bruins for, in his words, letting the Cup Hangover effect them. Wallach's suggestion? Trade. Not trade for someone who can add a boost, or anything like this. He just wants them to trade a major player on the team so everyone else wonders if they're next, and therefore plays harder.

 

[NortheasternPJ]

Outside of the points vs. goals arguments I feel like the show has definitely been in a rut since the hockey season started and the Sox ended. Not sure why but I can't remember the last show that was great. It's been fine and plodding along but seems like their last 3-4 bits have missed the mark, the Sox talk (outside of the Theo/Ben sounding the same stuff) has been brutal with that Biggest Ahole contest. The Gronk stuff was semi-entertaining but nothing great.