The Story remains the same? The progress back from injury

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For some context, I read somewhere this morning that he will be playing SS 2 games on, one day off, until they hit Houston next week. Then he's go for everyday at SS.
 

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Not to start an another Story’s arm debate. But a healthy arm is more important than a gun from short. Story’s last year at shortstop had an average velocity 79.1 mph was almost equal to Dansby Swanson 79.2 mph. Both were below average but Swanson is considered an elite defender and Story has a noodle arm.

https://theathletic.com/4002642/2022/12/15/trevor-story-arm-strength-shortstop/
Story was always considered an elite defender at short also. I think the concern about his arm strength was solely related to his elbow injury. He may have been at 79.1 mph in 2021, but he was at 82.3 mph in 2020. Presumably, with his repaired elbow, he'll be closer to that 2020 number than 2021.
 

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0 for his first 8 with 6 K, and then two games later he's 368/400/579.

This is why I hate it when in the postseason they display a guy's postseason numbers instead of the regular season ones. (Though certainly a positive sign yesterday.)
 

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One of the doubles was a can of corn Baddoo lost in the sun, but another was an absolute rocket that was about 18 inches shy of leaving deep left center near the flagpole.

Safe to say his ability to drive the ball is intact.
 

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That one off the center field wall was impressive. He went down to get a low pitch and hit it almost 400 feet on a line.
 

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Arm looks pretty good here. Not concerned about the bounce as he was throwing on the run.

https://x.com/redsoxstats/status/1691620342857404918?s=46&t=0BmQ-9TYN7pIIfzDCoYxZA
Agreed- that play requires a lot of arm strength and he nailed it. To me, there was no question that something was wrong with Story's arm (the surgery confirmed that fact) and so the focus shifted to whether the procedure would be effective. So far he looks really good.
 

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Middle infield could be really good going forward. If Story can approach his production at the plate from Colorado while also playing a good shortstop, and Urias can find some of his pop, there really isn't a weak spot in the lineup except for Wong/McGuire.

Only thing I've noticed is an extremely small sample Story is still whiffing a ton on breaking pitches way off the plate (which is backed up so far by FanGraphs). If he wants to return to being the guy who strikes out 25% of the time instead of 30%, he'll need to lay off that stuff. Probably just a timing thing, getting used to big league pitching again.
 

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Also, Mondesí is showing signs of life. He will almost certainly not be ready for this season, but I would like to see us try to retain him on a Paxton-esque one-year deal with a club option. Maybe he’d accept a split deal?
 

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Also, Mondesí is showing signs of life. He will almost certainly not be ready for this season, but I would like to see us try to retain him on a Paxton-esque one-year deal with a club option. Maybe he’d accept a split deal?
Would the plan be to use him as a bench utility infielder? It seems Story is staying at SS which is Mondesi's primary position, though he's played some 2B and 3B too in his career. Urias is probably the 2024 starter at 2B unless he can't find his hitting stroke again (but I'm skeptical he's cooked at age 26). Hopefully some of that is answered in the remainder of 2023.
 

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Would the plan be to use him as a bench utility infielder? It seems Story is staying at SS which is Mondesi's primary position, though he's played some 2B and 3B too in his career. Urias is probably the 2024 starter at 2B unless he can't find his hitting stroke again (but I'm skeptical he's cooked at age 26). Hopefully some of that is answered in the remainder of 2023.
More or less, yeah. I think the plan would be to have him as major league infield depth. I agree that Urias is *probably* the starter, but the idea would be Mondesí as another candidate. If we’re going over the threshold anyways, an expensive bench player with real upside is an affordable luxury.
 

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More or less, yeah. I think the plan would be to have him as major league infield depth. I agree that Urias is *probably* the starter, but the idea would be Mondesí as another candidate. If we’re going over the threshold anyways, an expensive bench player with real upside is an affordable luxury.
I don't see any reason that Mondesi would sign up for this instead of signing with a team like the Nationals or A's where he could start and prove he's healthy and can hit.
 

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I don't see any reason that Mondesi would sign up for this instead of signing with a team like the Nationals or A's where he could start and prove he's healthy and can hit.
True. Also, Pablo Reyes is making a case for himself of late. He's got four years of control left after this season. With him and Urias and plenty of MI candidates in the pipeline, Mondesi doesn't seem like the type of guy the Sox need to hang on to for depth purposes.
 

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Seems like there would only be room for one of Urias / Mondesi next year; isn’t Reyes likely to be the utility infielder?

It’s nice to see Mondesi participating in baseball activities but I have a hard time seeing how he gets on the 40-man. And he’s a career 244/280/408 guy, not sure that plays anywhere other than SS.
 

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Seems like there would only be room for one of Urias / Mondesi next year; isn’t Reyes likely to be the utility infielder?

It’s nice to see Mondesi participating in baseball activities but I have a hard time seeing how he gets on the 40-man. And he’s a career 244/280/408 guy, not sure that plays anywhere other than SS.
I think Mondesi's highest and best use in Boston was to fill-in for Story. That ship has probably sailed.
 

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I think Mondesi's highest and best use in Boston was to fill-in for Story. That ship has probably sailed.
Yeah, agreed. Even if he’s healthy with a few weeks to go- are they going to DFA someone like Hamilton just to get a look at a guy that they are unlikely to tender a contract to? A real uphill battle to get elevated to the active roster, as far as I can tell. Think he’s auditioning for other teams at this point.
 

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I don't see any reason that Mondesi would sign up for this instead of signing with a team like the Nationals or A's where he could start and prove he's healthy and can hit.
Yeah I think he would want to be where he can start since he’s still only 28. In his mind, if he can get close to a full season in next year, he can still cash in on a decent contract for 2025 and beyond.
 

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I think Mondesi's highest and best use in Boston was to fill-in for Story. That ship has probably sailed.
A healthy Mondesi is super intriguing to me but I think this is probably correct.

I'd also love to offer him a minor league deal. The hope is that he, like Paxton, feels comfortable here and trusts our medical staff. Even with Reyes on the team (as a utility INF/5th OF), Mondesi could be part of the equation at third if we want to cycle Raffy and Yoshida through the DH slot.

On the other hand, I doubt we tie up a 40-man spot for him by April 1 with this many prospects on the bubble. He’ll probably get at least an mL deal with an opt out/escalator clause, or maybe more from a WSH or OAK team.
 

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A healthy Mondesi is super intriguing to me but I think this is probably correct.

I'd also love to offer him a minor league deal. The hope is that he, like Paxton, feels comfortable here and trusts our medical staff. Even with Reyes on the team (as a utility INF/5th OF), Mondesi could be part of the equation at third if we want to cycle Raffy and Yoshida through the DH slot.

On the other hand, I doubt we tie up a 40-man spot for him by April 1 with this many prospects on the bubble. He’ll probably get at least an mL deal with an opt out/escalator clause, or maybe more from a WSH or OAK team.
As you typed this…he’s shut down again (see injury thread).
 

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Love the all-out hustle up 7-1. I really hope the injuries are behind him (for lots of reasons, obviously), because Story deserves to be a fan favorite in this town with his elite play.
 

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Well he's up to 50 PAs now since coming back and the early returns are somewhat understandably not good: 191/240/277/517.

He hasn't suffered a setback physically yet but obviously his timing isn't there. Probably best to write off this season and use it as practice in order to prepare for 2024.
 

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The struggles against righties have been real for the past few years. He seems to really have trouble against breaking balls low and away and he is seeing more and more of them.
 

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The struggles against righties have been real for the past few years. He seems to really have trouble against breaking balls low and away and he is seeing more and more of them.
He had a nice knock against such a pitch yesterday. He looked like Bogaerts, lunging out to hook it between third and short.
 

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The struggles against righties have been real for the past few years. He seems to really have trouble against breaking balls low and away and he is seeing more and more of them.
He is showing Ceddane Rafaela levels of inability to lay off of sliders off the plate away. It doesn't seem like a timing thing to me, and it is concerning. His defense is good enough that I think he is a net positive from what we got earlier in the year at SS, but it would be nice to not have to shelter his bat as much as possible.
 

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I don’t get this. If he has such an obvious and unfixable hole in his offensive approach, how did he accrue his career stats? Do we think the “slider away” was only invented in 2021 or something?
 

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I don’t get this. If he has such an obvious and unfixable hole in his offensive approach, how did he accrue his career stats? Do we think the “slider away” was only invented in 2021 or something?
Players change over time as they age, look at Stanton for example. As his body fails Stanton can't hit anything any more.

Story could be cheating on the fastball and then is already committed to the swing when it turns out it's a slider. Who knows.
 

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I don’t get this. If he has such an obvious and unfixable hole in his offensive approach, how did he accrue his career stats? Do we think the “slider away” was only invented in 2021 or something?
He's not recognizing pitches as well or as quickly as he used to. It well could be a result of the time off he's had and it will get better with continued reps. Or on the other hand, maybe his eyesight isn't what it once was and he's not picking up the spin on the ball quickly enough to recognize breaking ball vs fastball.
 

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Luckily Fangraphs provides info on all of this. His O-swing% has been rising since 2020 from a low of 25%. 35%, this year's number is 10% higher than his best mark. So whatever the cause is, he's really changed his approach and has become far more chase happy.

Obviously the "why" is harder to answer, but I would hope whatever has changed over the last three years is fixable. He's chasing sliders at a Duvalish rate and that just was not the case for him in the past. Even getting it down to 27 or 28% would make a huge difference in his plate approach. Zone contact and contact percentage is also down year over year.

He's got plenty of time to make adjustments this year, I think, and I hope to see these numbers improve some, the K rate come down, etc.

On the other hand, his out of zone contact rate isn't much different than in the past.

I've speculated that his balky elbow might have contributed to his chase rate, e.g., he was starting his swing earlier to get ahead on fastballs, but it's possible he's lost his pitch recognition or his patience over the years. Impossible to say. Hopefully it was a timing/injury issue though and he can get his mojo back.
 

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I guess we’ll see, but I guess I’ll just say that I don’t think Trevor Story will have a strikeout rate in the mid-30s next season. Maybe you guys are right, and we are watching him completely collapse at age 30.
 

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Luckily Fangraphs provides info on all of this. His O-swing% has been rising since 2020 from a low of 25%. 35%, this year's number is 10% higher than his best mark. So whatever the cause is, he's really changed his approach and has become far more chase happy.
Also, 47 at bats after a shortened ramp-up period, then thrown into the 3 spot in the lineup.
 

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Also, 47 at bats after a shortened ramp-up period, then thrown into the 3 spot in the lineup.
Yes, 100% - this year is an extremely small sample size, I should have noted that. Far too early to conclude anything.

Only wanted to note the rising out of zone swing percentage was a part of a larger trend in his plate discipline profile that's begging for a casual explanation. I'm just hoping he'd started swinging earlier to account for pain in his elbow or something like that, and that we should see that improve with a repaired UCL.
 

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Fwiw, those numbers are out of date. He's now at 3 OAA and 4 DRS.

(Xander is also at 3 OAA but with -4 DRS)
 

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He’s still striking out at an elevated level but mixing in some really hard hit balls recently. Hopefully his luck changes a bit and those hard hit ball find holes.