The Plan For the #1, er, #3 Overall Pick?
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I mean, we know this is definitely move #1 of 2, right? If Danny was keeping all of the picks, then there's no reason not to wait until the draft. He needs them now.
If he screamed in public that he would "beat her ass" you better believe he's beat someone in private. And even if not, that threat is still assault
Yeah, it sounds stupid. But I think the implicit assumption is that Danny knows what he needs to complete the follow-up deal. Otherwise, he doesn't make this one. And if he doesn't need the protections, then he doesn't need them.
My guess is that it's the reverse protection discussed previously. If the Lakers pick isn't top 3 next year, then they get the Kings swap the next year. That's how the wires got crossed. Only two picks coming, but both the Lakers/Kings picks are involved.
That can't be serious
Danny's getting hosed
I hope I'm wrong. I've loved him for over 30 years
Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account @WojVerticalNBA 35s36 seconds ago
Clarification on deal: Besides its 2017 FRP, Philly sends '18 Lakers pick w/ protections. If it doesn't convey, 76ers send 2019 Kings pick.
This deal just got A LOT worse.
Clarification on deal: Besides its 2017 FRP, Philly sends '18 Lakers pick w/ protections. If it doesn't convey, 76ers send 2019 Kings pick.
This deal just got A LOT worse.
If it isn't a reverse protection he fucked up, period. A 1st with no chance of being another top pick shouldn't even interest him.
And either way it's not enough.
And either way it's not enough.
Has anyone seen this type of trade before? I can't really see anyone calling that "protection". Sounds more like a type of "option" to me. But I guess we'll find out.
Depends on the protections, but should be good for Celtics regardless. It's certainly better than the one protected pick thing.
Was nice of Danny to let Golden State have the spotlight for a few weeks. Basketball universe centers around Boston right now..8 firsts and a max cap slot.
So many options
So many options
Man, this just keeps getting worse. The last time I was this confused was when the Red Sox traded Doug Mientkiewicz.
That turned out okay, but...
That turned out okay, but...
If we're moving from 1 Fultz to 3 Jackson or Tatum just for a Kings 2019 pick that's just awful
We seriously can't get more from someone else? And helping our #3 rival?
We seriously can't get more from someone else? And helping our #3 rival?
If LA ends up in the protection zone and we have to wait until 2019 it's fucking terrible.
The number of drunk people who yell that they'll "beat your ass" during an altercation who have not in fact beaten anyone is actually exceptionally high. Yes it's a threat, and it isn't good. It is however not something most people would categorize as making someone a "woman abuser"
Back to the trade Woj has it as a 18 LAL w/ top and bottom protections, if it stays in PHI then unprotected SAC.
like the deal less than I did, but still think it's fine.
Really need to see the protection on the Lakers pick. As reported, I don't know why Danny would be so interested in pulling the trigger.
Actually turned on SportsCenter for this. Hoping for some expert NBA analysis. Nope. Got Stephen A. instead. He likes the trade for both teams. They are also crediting 'TNT's David Aldridge' for breaking the story. Never seen that before from ESPN.
Derek BodnerVerified account @DerekBodnerNBA 2m2 minutes ago
Celtics will get Lakers pick if it falls between 2 and 5 in the 2018 draft, per league source. If not, the Celtics will get the Kings in '19
Celtics will get Lakers pick if it falls between 2 and 5 in the 2018 draft, per league source. If not, the Celtics will get the Kings in '19
SOSH of 1980 would have been furious that the Celtics traded
There's your problem.
Depends on the protections. If that Sac pick from original deal was protected and then turned to shit, this might end up as good or better.
Edit - And there you have it. That deal is perfectly fine.
Rozier starting at point in18-19?
Can we afford 4 max guys, none of whom are top-10 players?
Assuming Kings pick has zero protections, I'd rather have this than the Lakers pick outright.
Which is why the minutiae of the future picks probably won't affect us. They'll be headed to Chicago with Bradley most likely.
Because Philly isn't just going to give him whatever he wants? Why would he allow them to not include Ben Simmons?
Distinct feeling we'll be waiting for 2019 for this. Not ideal. Pretty iffy value here.
Huge overpay if BK pick is touched. Two lotto picks period is a fortune for two years.
I think because the Lakers pick has a better chance of being 6 or higher than # 1 overall.
At least this protects us for the people worried about the Lakers winning 35+.
If the LAL/SAC pick is the main piece for Jimmy Butler, than they are trading a guy who is unlikely to be as good as Jimmy Butler (plus other considerations) for guy who actually is Jimmy Butler, and another guy who will be very close in value to the guy they trade away.
Eh, it's a fair deal. They are basically getting a future top 5 pick to move down 2 slots and draft a guy they would have anyway.
Those protections give a material chance of a top 5 pick. So, figure it's 1 for 3 and a 50% chance of another top 5 pick, with say 80% chance it's a second lottery pick.
Whether that is worth the drop from Fultz is a scouting question--it's a lot of value for two spots in draft in the abstract.
Whether that is worth the drop from Fultz is a scouting question--it's a lot of value for two spots in draft in the abstract.
Probably not. Though there is a decent case to be made that Butler sneaks into the back end of the top 10 right now.
Honestly I really like a Hayward/Butler 2/3 situation, both strong 2 way guys with complementary offensive skills. And it likely means not maxing IT which is a terrible idea.
I agree. This gives us a stab at 2 lottery picks next year or roll the dice on Kings in '19. Of course, we may not be keeping that pick.
There hasn't been any mention of the BK pick, has there? I don't think that's going anywhere.
Well, Fultz is gone, so I guess the big question now is what the Celts are trading to get Butler. Hopefully not #3 plus the Lakers pick.
I think your odds are off significantly. I'd peg that Sac pick at 80% odds of top 5 where we sit today. The protections only increase the odds we get a top 5 pick in the next two years.
Seriously doubt Brooklyn is touched unless it's for a higher caliber player than Butler.
.I suppose the thing we all have to swallow here is the #1 pick wasn't going to be Markelle Fultz. Or at least that the C's did not see him as a transcendent player. Obviously if it's a Tim Duncan like player, that deal isn't happening. So in some ways they punted a year to what might be a better class. Rationalizing a bit, I know, but I see the logic anyways.
If it's true that they would have drafted him anyway (and I don't assume that it is, but it's possible), then literally the pick swap by itself if a good deal because they get the same guy but pay him less. A future top 5-ish pick on top is a pretty damn huge sweetener.