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And to add a little to the Newest Vaughhn story ... "At age 21 and seven months, Grissom became the youngest player in either the American League or National League history to homer and steal a base in his major league debut." (At Fenway Park no less).
I'm really looking forward to seeing this kid play. Many of us were dismayed by the reports that Bloom was unable to complete certain trade deadline deals, especially ones that seemed to have been agreed upon. I'm hoping that this season's acquisition of Grissom might be the silver lining to one of those reported deals.
 

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Oof. Well, it happens. Luckily, we actually have some decent AAA depth in Valdez and Yorke.

edit: or Donnie Barrels! I would love that.
 

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Oof. Well, it happens. Luckily, we actually have some decent AAA depth in Valdez and Yorke.

edit: or Donnie Barrels! I would love that.
Why would they sign someone when we have no idea how much time he will miss? I could only be the 1st 7-10 days of the season.
 

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Why would they sign someone when we have no idea how much time he will miss? I could only be the 1st 7-10 days of the season.
Because Solano can cover the whole infield except SS, so Grissom coming back means he shifts into the primary corner backup.
 

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What's Adalberto Mondesi up to these days?

Grissom really needed some time at second base this spring, so this is a double bummer. They were hoping his defense would improve if he were dedicated to a single position and the injury puts the learning time at the major league level.
 

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Breslow said they won’t be adding to the roster because of the injury.

It sounds like the MRI came back fine. Doesn’t sound particularly serious, but absolutely sucks he won’t have a normal ST with Story at second.
 

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Breslow said they won’t be adding to the roster because of the injury.

It sounds like the MRI came back fine. Doesn’t sound particularly serious, but absolutely sucks he won’t have a normal ST with Story at second.
I don’t know how to define “serious”, but announcing 4 weeks ahead of time that he won’t make opening day doesn’t sound “not serious” to me.
 

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Cora has already said that Valdez would take his place early in the season, claims his defense improved in winter ball working with Carlos Febles. This pretty much locks Reyes into the UT role to start the season.
 

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I don’t know how to define “serious”, but announcing 4 weeks ahead of time that he won’t make opening day doesn’t sound “not serious” to me.
They didn’t even say he wouldn’t make the opening day roster. Cora said “Open day is in doubt”

You have to give groin injuries time to heal and you don’t want to rush someone just to make opening day.
 

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I don’t know how to define “serious”, but announcing 4 weeks ahead of time that he won’t make opening day doesn’t sound “not serious” to me.
They didn’t even say he wouldn’t make the opening day roster. Cora said “Open day is in doubt”

You have to give groin injuries time to heal and you don’t want to rush someone just to make opening day.
 

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Breslow said they won’t be adding to the roster because of the injury.

It sounds like the MRI came back fine. Doesn’t sound particularly serious, but absolutely sucks he won’t have a normal ST with Story at second.
I doubt he the MRI was normal or they probably wouldn't expect him to miss Opening Day.

But yeah, seems likely it's on the lower grade end of things and hopefully not out much more than 4 weeks.
 

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Breslow said they won’t be adding to the roster because of the injury.

It sounds like the MRI came back fine. Doesn’t sound particularly serious, but absolutely sucks he won’t have a normal ST with Story at second.
So true. If there's one position player we needed to have a full spring training it probably would have been Grissom, since we are counting on him a lot and he has so much to adjust to.
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Audio of Cora's interview the part about Grissom start around 4:25:
View: https://twitter.com/bradfo/status/1763943311750959311

Slight groin strain, got to shut him down. Happened 2 days ago while taking ground balls. Had an MRI yesterday.
Gonna take "more than a few days." No timetable yet. "With this now, opening day is kind of... it might not happen for him."
 
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They didn’t even say he wouldn’t make the opening day roster. Cora said “Open day is in doubt”

You have to give groin injuries time to heal and you don’t want to rush someone just to make opening day.
I agree about giving him time. Just not liking that Cora’s saying that 4 weeks ahead of OD. We’ll see.
 

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The positive in this, though, we will get a really good eval look at Valdez defense.

It sounds like he’s put a ton of work in. The bat is a major league bat. If he can show he improved his defense his value would go up dramatically.
 

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Annoying. One of the few things I was looking forward to so far about the Red Sox this year.
 

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Might give Valdez a chance to make himself enticing trade bait. I'm still fairly bullish on his bat, and if he can just manage to not embarrass himself at second base, he could still start somewhere.
 

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This is why Solano would have been an infinitely better signing than Cron. Grissom’s defense was already going to be a question- and now there is an injury. Solano’s positional flexibility would have been nice to have for situations like this. Not excited to see Valdez get too much play at second. Reminds me of last season when they were at the bottom of the league in OAA at 2b.
 

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This is why Solano would have been an infinitely better signing than Cron. Grissom’s defense was already going to be a question- and now there is an injury. Solano’s positional flexibility would have been nice to have for situations like this. Not excited to see Valdez get too much play at second. Reminds me of last season when they were at the bottom of the league in OAA at 2b.
Solano and Cron are entirely unrelated given the latter got a NRI, minor league deal.
 

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This is why Solano would have been an infinitely better signing than Cron. Grissom’s defense was already going to be a question- and now there is an injury. Solano’s positional flexibility would have been nice to have for situations like this. Not excited to see Valdez get too much play at second. Reminds me of last season when they were at the bottom of the league in OAA at 2b.
I doubt Solano is in any way a meaningful upgrade over Valdez.


Also, we might be talking about like, one week of missed time.

With all injuries, there is risk of it lingering, but this doesn’t sound long term at all.
 

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I doubt Solano is in any way a meaningful upgrade over Valdez.


Also, we might be talking about like, one week of missed time.

With all injuries, there is risk of it lingering, but this doesn’t sound long term at all.
I get it that this injury in particular isn’t likely to be serious, but I’m just not a fan of having Valdez as the backup plan for any issues that might come up with Grissom, especially as Grissom’s primary issue is fielding and Valdez is terrible with the glove. Solano -who is a good fielder at 1b and 2b and can play 3b if necessary- would be a great fit for this team.
Btw the idea that Solano wouldn’t be a meaningful upgrade over Valdez is only true if neither plays much. Otherwise Solano would likely be both the better offensive player and -by a large margin- the better defensive player. He also is a RH bat with positional flexibility. Meanwhile Valdez’s natural position is DH and he struggles with the glove when tasked with playing anywhere else..
 
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I get it that this injury in particular isn’t likely to be serious, but I’m just not a fan of having Valdez as the backup plan for any issues that might come up with Grissom, especially as Grissom’s primary issue is fielding and Valdez is terrible with the glove. Solano -who is a good fielder at 1b and 2b and can play 3b if necessary- would be a great fit for this team.
Btw the idea that Solano wouldn’t be a meaningful upgrade over Valdez is only true if neither plays much. Otherwise Solano would likely be both the better offensive player and -by a large margin- the better defensive player. He also is a RH bat with positional flexibility. Meanwhile Valdez’s natural position is DH and he struggles with the glove when tasked with playing anywhere else..
I don't really disagree with any of this, but the fly in the ointment is that Solano is probably looking for a role where he can play quite a bit more than he would for Boston. No guarantees that he finds that, but I think that's probably why he's holding out. If I were him I'd wait to see if someone gets injured in spring training and is going to be out for a long time, and then secure a better deal than you might have otherwise.

It's also possible Valdez has made real improvements with his glove. Not unheard of, even if it's unlikely.
 

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…and make sure he does not rehab on a bicycle!
Bill Walton and Chris Sale would concur.


If I were him I'd wait to see if someone gets injured in spring training and is going to be out for a long time, and then secure a better deal than you might have otherwise.
Yes, Solano should wait for someone in a camp to blow out an ACL or whatever.
 

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I get it that this injury in particular isn’t likely to be serious, but I’m just not a fan of having Valdez as the backup plan for any issues that might come up with Grissom, especially as Grissom’s primary issue is fielding and Valdez is terrible with the glove. Solano -who is a good fielder at 1b and 2b and can play 3b if necessary- would be a great fit for this team.
Btw the idea that Solano wouldn’t be a meaningful upgrade over Valdez is only true if neither plays much. Otherwise Solano would likely be both the better offensive player and -by a large margin- the better defensive player. He also is a RH bat with positional flexibility. Meanwhile Valdez’s natural position is DH and he struggles with the glove when tasked with playing anywhere else..
I guess I’m just not sure what you expect when you next option - Valdez - would project as a 2 WAR in player with a full season of starting
 

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I guess I’m just not sure what you expect when you next option - Valdez - would project as a 2 WAR in player with a full season of starting
His defense was atrocious last season (I'll just blame it on Kiki since he's not around anymore...) so I get not being happy with him starting the season as the everyday 2B. But supposedly he was really working on his defense all off-season. It'd be a real nice problem to have his bat in the lineup along with at least average defense
 

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Another downside with Valdez in a primary 2B role for any length of time is he's truly a platoon bat (.703 ops vs L compared to .920 vs R in AAA last year). They did a good job hiding him from LHP in Boston last season but that might be harder when Cron is only good for 1B and Reyes has to back up everyone else in the infield too.
 

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I agree about giving him time. Just not liking that Cora’s saying that 4 weeks ahead of OD. We’ll see.
Apologies if someone already said this and I didn't see it, but how much of this is Grissom having a set plan of activities before he's in the ML starting lineup, and even if his groin feels fine on March 21, that isn't enough time to ramp up slowly on his hitting or footwork or whatever? I suspect they would be careful about rushing him back at his level of experience, new team, new full time position, etc.
 

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Another downside with Valdez in a primary 2B role for any length of time is he's truly a platoon bat (.703 ops vs L compared to .920 vs R in AAA last year). They did a good job hiding him from LHP in Boston last season but that might be harder when Cron is only good for 1B and Reyes has to back up everyone else in the infield too.
Casas and Devers aren't platoon players so it only makes sense to give Reyes the at bats at 2nd base against LHP until Grissom is back.
 

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Another downside with Valdez in a primary 2B role for any length of time is he's truly a platoon bat (.703 ops vs L compared to .920 vs R in AAA last year). They did a good job hiding him from LHP in Boston last season but that might be harder when Cron is only good for 1B and Reyes has to back up everyone else in the infield too.
Couldn’t Dalbec play 2b at a similar level to Valdez..lol? Maybe they could have a platoon of lead gloved 4A sluggers:(
Seriously though, Valdez’s -6 DRS and -4 OAA came in less than a quarter of a season in the field. Projected over a full season the Sox would have even worse 2b defense than they had last year ( when their league worst defense’s worst position was 2b).
 

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Another downside with Valdez in a primary 2B role for any length of time is he's truly a platoon bat (.703 ops vs L compared to .920 vs R in AAA last year). They did a good job hiding him from LHP in Boston last season but that might be harder when Cron is only good for 1B and Reyes has to back up everyone else in the infield too.
I'll happily take 0.703 ops on the small side of the platoon from my backup 2B but maybe I'm setting my expectations too low.
 

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Valdez and Reyes can more than hold down second for a week or two.
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Breslow said this in no way impacted their thinking in adding to the roster.
I'll let you interpret the 'thinking' of the Breslow tidings for me. So far I am struggling with his offerings. I heard him tell some reporters that they were "talking in circles." HA.
 

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I was hoping to see Grissom make a few diving stops, turn a few double plays, and get a few mistakes out of his system during spring training. Now it looks like those mistakes will come on the regular season dime.

Valdez and Reyes can more than hold down second for a week or two...
and then Nick Yorke gets a big opportunity.
 

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I'll let you interpret the 'thinking' of the Breslow tidings for me. So far I am struggling with his offerings. I heard him tell some reporters that they were "talking in circles." HA.
Is there a reason to think Breslow isn't being truthful about this? Is there reason to think that any GM would be scrambling to acquire a new 2B because his starter strained a groin and might miss the first couple weeks of the season? I get the temptation to take every opportunity to rag on the front office, but it's not like Grissom broke both his legs and his career is in doubt. He pulled a muscle. It happens. This is why rosters have 40 players on them.
 

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and then Nick Yorke gets a big opportunity.
Or Jamie Westbrook: https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=westbr000jam#


Solano would also be great in the RH 1B/3B role, as people have been saying for weeks.
There isn't really at RHH 1B/3B "role." Casas and Devers are full-time cornerstone hitters who do not need to be platooned. That sort of roster-building approach is an artifact of the 2023 question of Casas' adaptability to ML pitching. . .probably with a touch of PTSD from the 2021/22 Bobby Dalbec 1B experience.