He's been playing the outfield in the Puerto Rico winter league.We can only hope that Grissom is better defensively at second than shortstop because he’s awful at the latter. The Braves were talking about moving him to the outfield this offseason.
Eshel K!!!!!!The only two MLB players with the first name of “Vaughn” will have both played for the Red Sox.
Atl isn't dumb so I agree, wonder if something behind the scenes they didn't like.Grissom raked in the minors at all levels. 330/419/501 combined. And he'll only be 23 this year, so he was never old for his league. It's to the point where I'm now suspicious.
Maybe the kids an asshole? I’m not really concerned. They got talent for a guy that I assumed was going to have some kind of spring training “set back” and maybe we’d see him in August.Grissom raked in the minors at all levels. 330/419/501 combined. And he'll only be 23 this year, so he was never old for his league. It's to the point where I'm now suspicious. Andy Marte v 2.0.
Grissom raked in the minors at all levels. 330/419/501 combined. And he'll only be 23 this year, so he was never old for his league. It's to the point where I'm now suspicious. Andy Marte v 2.0.
They must like Kelenic a lot. Blocked by him (and somewhat by Ozuna) at LF, Albies at 2B (and Arcia at SS, but VG has so far showed to be a poor SS)Atl isn't dumb so I agree, wonder if something behind the scenes they didn't like.
They didn't get much value for him at all, just Sale on a slightly cheaper deal than it would have been with a lesser non-prospect type.
I think other teams were interested in trading for Grissom so we shouldn't rule out the possibility that the Sox might flip Grissom.I love this move too. Save some salary, get a starting 2B, which frees up Yorke or Rafaela for a trade.
As was done with the previous hot prospect IF the Sox acquired from the Braves (Andy Marte)?I think other teams were interested in trading for Grissom so we shouldn't rule out the possibility that the Sox might flip Grissom.
Yessir, exactly.As was done with the previous hot prospect IF the Sox acquired from the Braves (Andy Marte)?
If this guy had been in our system, he would have been one of our most highly touted prospects in many years.Grissom routinely displays outstanding bat-to-ball skills with a very good approach. He has a strong feel for the barrel from the right side of the plate, manages his at-bats well, draws walks and rarely strikes out. He’s short to the ball with relatively simple hitting mechanics and has solid bat speed. The Braves hope he’ll continue to fill out his 6-foot-3 frame and grow into more power as he matures.
As solid as Grissom has been at the plate, it’s been less clear where he might belong long-term defensively. He’s still seen more time at shortstop than any other position, but he’s also played a fair amount at third as well as a little at second. He has the arm to stay on the left side of the infield, where he’s more comfortable and while he doesn’t always have silky-smooth actions, he’s a solid defender. If he can’t play short, he might need to raise his power profile a bit to be a fit at the hot corner as a regular.
Also makes a lot of contact on pitches in the zone, the inverse of what Breslow said he looks for in a pitcher.View: https://twitter.com/tjstats/status/1741178832655188099?s=46
There is alot of like there. The Barrel % and EV’s leave something to be desired, but the approach is really really good.
But that scouting report suggested that he might be good defensively at short. He’s absolutely terrible there so that ranking is fool’s gold in a big way.Grissom was the #7 overall prospect in baseball in 2022.
https://www.mlb.com/prospects/2022/braves/
Scouting grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 50 | Run: 50 | Arm: 55 | Field: 45 | Overall: 55
If this guy had been in our system for the past couple of years, he would have been one of our most highly touted prospects in many years.
That looks to me like 7th rated Braves prospect fyi. Not baseball…Grissom was the #7 overall prospect in baseball in 2022.
https://www.mlb.com/prospects/2022/braves/
Scouting grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 50 | Run: 50 | Arm: 55 | Field: 45 | Overall: 55
If this guy had been in our system for the past couple of years, he would have been one of our most highly touted prospects in many years.
As has the greatest with *last* name Vaughn.The only two MLB players with the first name of “Vaughn” will have both played for the Red Sox.
True, I was confused by all the guys listed being other teams, because they were traded. I will edit.That looks to me like 7th rated Braves prospect fyi. Not baseball…
It was a projection of a guy who’s still only 22.But that scouting report suggested that he might be good defensively at short. He’s absolutely terrible there so that ranking is fool’s gold in a big way.
Can we stop with the misinterpreted quote from 2020? Yorke is limited defensively because his arm limits him to 2B, not because he’s a bad fielding 2B.He can't play SS and Albies is locked into 2B through 2027 so he has no spot on their roster. But yea, if he can't play 2B, he probably doesn't have one on ours either. Nick Yorke 2.0?
He is better than Yorke. Maybe doesn't have Yorke's power potential but is better at every other phase of the game than Yorke. Yorke is most likely a bench utility guy.He can't play SS and Albies is locked into 2B through 2027 so he has no spot on their roster. But yea, if he can't play 2B, he probably doesn't have one on ours either. Nick Yorke 2.0? Maybe he is heading out the door in a deal for Burnes?
shhhh, MIL or SEA might hear youHe is better than Yorke. Maybe doesn't have Yorke's power potential but is better at every other phase of the game than Yorke. Yorke is most likely a bench utility guy.
That scouting report seemed to think he could not just stick at short, but be average to plus defensively there. With Grissom's offensive profile, a top 10 ranking didn't seem crazy.That looks to me like 7th rated Braves prospect fyi. Not baseball…
I hope you are correct. The last thing this team needs is another mediocre infielder. I would gladly sacrifice some hitting at 2B for someone who would complement Story at SS and strengthen the team up the middle.Grissom makes much more sense as a left fielder than as a second baseman given his defensive limitations. My guess is this is more about clearing Sale off the books than Grissom being the answer at second base in 2024.
Feels very much like there is another shoe to drop, whether it's trading Grissom, trading Duran, or maybe both?
Being 22 isn’t a more important factor than the projection of an above average bat at Shortstop. If you take away the position part of that statement, his value drops significantly. Which is why the Braves made him available in this trade.It was a projection of a guy who’s still only 22.
Starter. Words can't described how much he was moved around last two years. Once he wasn't going to be able to field SS Atlanta couldn't figure out where to put him. Give him a full preseason and Spring at 2B and he should be fine.Is Grissom our starting 2B opening day, or will he be a call up later in the season?
“There is not much data on Grissom in such a small sample size when it comes to defense, but Fangraphs’ defensive runs saved and ultimate zone rating did not favor his work at 2B. In 347.0 innings, Grissom had -3 DRS and -1.8 UZR. He also had -5.0 Outs Above Average.
Baseball Reference also rated Grissom poorly with a -0.3 dWAR.”
braves were talking about moving him to outfield so I wouldn’t be so sure he’s a slam dunk to be an mlb second basemenThat scouting report seemed to think he could not just stick at short, but be average to plus defensively there. With Grissom's offensive profile, a top 10 ranking didn't seem crazy.
Since then it's become clear he's no shortstop, though. Still, a masher who can play league average 2b is a big asset.
Does Grissom still have Rookie of the Year eligibility?
How much of the hypothetical move to OF has to do with the stud they have at 2b already?braves were talking about moving him to outfield so I wouldn’t be so sure he’s a slam dunk to be an mlb second basemen
hopefully but fact is, his defense at the mlb level was awfulHow much of the hypothetical move to OF has to do with the stud they have at 2b already?
Edit: Beaten to it.
At a pre-arb salary, he can start for a year while Yorke and Mayer are in the minors, and, ifhe hits well, can slide to LF after O'Neill leaves in 2025. If he doesn't hit well, then he's not too expensive to keep around as back-up and he has options left.I don’t think Grissom has the bat to be a corner outfielder and certainly doesn’t have the defense to be a shortstop. He is here to play second base and we have to hope he can do it. His bat should play well there.
Another cost controlled MI to add to the log jam. Not a bad thing, perhaps makes one of them expendable, Expendable MI, possible expendable OF and possible expendable pitcher. Things look to be stacking up for a trade.So grissom will start for 2B for us?
I really like what the Braves GM is doing
Obviously, Grissom’s value with the bat drops as he moves down the defensive spectrum, but the Braves made him available in this trade due to their established lineup and the high market cost of potentially impact starting pitching.Being 22 isn’t a more important factor than the projection of an above average bat at Shortstop. If you take away the position part of that statement, his value drops significantly. Which is why the Braves made him available in this trade.
Exactly. And I'm not that bullish on either Yorke and Valdez, so I really like that this frees (more than before) each of them up, so we can match better with potential trade partners.Another cost controlled MI to add to the log jam. Not a bad thing, perhaps makes one of them expendable, Expendable MI, possible expendable OF and possible expendable pitcher. Things look to be stacking up for a trade.
Inclusion of Mayer brings back much more or maybe even Grissom. I mean we're looking for star potential in return, yes?Exactly. And I'm not that bullish on either Yorke and Valdez, so I really like that this frees (more than before) each of them up, so we can match better with potential trade partners.
I like Romero as a potential backup MIF for both positions, but this also frees him up more.
Oh for sure.Inclusion of Mayer brings back much more or maybe even Grissom. I mean we're looking for star potential in return, yes?
Braves infield is sort of set isn't it?braves were talking about moving him to outfield so I wouldn’t be so sure he’s a slam dunk to be an mlb second basemen
But why was he bad? Lack of experience, or does his glove have Swiss cheese in general?hopefully but fact is, his defense at the mlb level was awful
I’m just frustrated by the fact that we never seem to acquire any defense - probably overreacting to one move but I’d love to see us move one of our DHs and bring in D…instead we acquire another bat first guy