The Nation's Tears: Pink Stripes

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CaptainLaddie said:
Not a real one.  That shit's fake.
The kicker is the girl at the end talking about "I'm thinking about some conspiracy theories about Carroll not wanting Lynch to get paid" like 45 seconds after it happened. Definitely staged.
 

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Bleedred said:
I can barely do that, unless they are absolutely hard core; irrational fans who wanted to punch their kin in the balls after the Kearse catch.  
 
The people I watch with are generally worse than gamethreaders in terms of overreaction, and they reign me in. They won't convert on a 3rd down in the 2nd quarter, and I'll be cursing them out, and someone will chime in with "Fucking Brady sucks, Gronk sucks, they suck. They're gonna lose this fucking game and they're not going anywhere!". It kind of makes me walk myself back sometimes, like "Whoa whoa whoa, let's not go too far".
 

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drbretto said:
I don't know if I'm more jealous of Edelman for being able to pick off whoever he wants, or the girl. Edelman is a very pretty dude.
Frankly, I'm a little disappointed that there isn't at least one other girl in the picture.  Are you telling me he couldn't parlay that game into at least two women?  With Katy Perry doing "I Kissed a Girl" in her halftime montage?  The work is half done for you, put a little effort in, 11.
 
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The article that said Edelman was spoken for said they were assuming that the girl they mentioned was his girlfriend.
wait, you mean to tell me that Julian Edelman, super bowl hero, might not go update some random paparazzi website database every time he starts or stops dating some floozy? Nonsense, I say.
 

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Old Fart Tree said:
You want to gloat and flash an opposing player's number to a TV camera
 
Your team scores to make it 24 points and you flash 24 at the camera, odds are you're pointing out the score rather than trying to call out a player who isn't known for their number.
 

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Papelbon's Poutine said:
He was very clearly talking shit on Revis getting beat.
 
It amazes me that there are some people  trying to say he was talking about the score.  Yup, just that happy , go-lucky Dicky Sherman showing exuberance for the TD.  No history there between him and Revis.  Did you see him flash 17 when they kicked the FG?  NBC must've not shown it :)
 

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Your team scores to make it 24 points and you flash 24 at the camera, odds are you're pointing out the score rather than trying to call out a player who isn't known for their number.
There is an infinitesimal probability that he was referencing the score imho.
 

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I think it's the perfect moment for Sherman to take a stab at Revis and point out the score.
 
Is it a dig at Revis? Probably.
Does he do it if the Hawks go up - say - 23:14? Unlikely.
 

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SumnerH said:
 
Your team scores to make it 24 points and you flash 24 at the camera, odds are you're pointing out the score rather than trying to call out a player who isn't known for their number.
 
Unless you're highly intelligent and well-known self promoter Richard Sherman pointing out, on camera, that your biggest positional rival just got beat on the game's biggest stage.
 
It could be either. We don't know which.
 
(edit: clearly I am late to this party. Nevermind.)
 

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Papelbon's Poutine said:
Yeah, you apparently aren't familiar with Richard Sherman. Read any article or interview with him where the topic of his place in the league comes up.

Someone around here - I forget who it was - heard him speak at a corporate function about how planned out and calculated all his trash talk is, as it's his brand, his marketing. He's a smart guy.

Revis is his main competition for crown of best CB in the league. If you think he would pass up his biggest competitor getting beat for a TD on the biggest stage if the score was something other than 24, then I'm not really sure what to tell you. He had that in his pocket if and when Revis gave up a TD. The score made zero difference and it had less to do with the game than his stature in the sport.
Agree 100%.  For one thing, 24 points isn't a very interesting number in its own right - just emphasizing that number would seem like an uncharacteristically boring use of his precious camera time.  And more importantly, the sequence of emphasizing "24" and then giving the TD signal was what made it particularly clear what he meant.  
 
I'd perhaps buy that the 24 points coincidence was relevant in the sense of giving him plausible deniability after the fact, but that's about it.
 

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It's not like Sherman has never lost before. I think its a given that if you talk a lot of shit, you'll get a lot of shit. Not everyone is afraid to deal with it. I mean, imagine the shit Blount is going to get if/when he's out of the league in two years.
 
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The idea that he was indicating the score and not Revis is pretty laughable. I think you may be the only remaining person who believes that.
 

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SumnerH said:
 
Your team scores to make it 24 points and you flash 24 at the camera, odds are you're pointing out the score rather than trying to call out a player who isn't known for their number.
I think you can read it either way, but NFL players seem really attached to their numbers as part of their identity. Revis's own Twitter handle is @Revis24
 

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Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Lots of footstomping and "I'm so ANGRY" posts coming out of the woodwork now about the final call.
 
The Pats won the Super Bowl on an incredible, improbable play and it's just killing the haters inside. They're desperately scrambling for ways to discount the Pats' achievement in any way they can.
Yup. While Carroll's call gives Pat detractors ammo to shoot down the Pats historic 4th quarter come from behind victory, "The Butler did it" was an incredible athletic play of intelligence, recognition, and execution , and stands on it own. Pats won this game becasue they had the better offense, defense special teams, and as most now know, coaching. 
 
btw, do we have a better name for Butler's play?
 

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Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Lots of footstomping and "I'm so ANGRY" posts coming out of the woodwork now about the final call.
 
The Pats won the Super Bowl on an incredible, improbable play and it's just killing the haters inside. They're desperately scrambling for ways to discount the Pats' achievement in any way they can.
 
I hate shit like this.  Butler made one of the greatest plays in a long time.  BB made the right coaching call.  PC made the wrong coaching call.  Wilson was "fooled" into thinking that pass was available. 
 
I hate that Seattle lost but I hate it even more that people are trying to discount what was a truly amazing play by Butler.
 

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wibi said:
 
I hate shit like this.  Butler made one of the greatest plays in a long time.  BB made the right coaching call.  PC made the wrong coaching call.  Wilson was "fooled" into thinking that pass was available. 
 
I hate that Seattle lost but I hate it even more that people are trying to discount what was a truly amazing play by Butler.
 
I'm with you. Pats fans have already seen this take place just a couple of years ago, when Lee Evans "dropped" a TD catch. "Lee Evans dropped the ball! The Pats got lucky!"
 

 
Gee, I wonder why it wasn't a TD?
 
And now we see it in action again. You're the Seahawks fan, wibi, you see already that the narrative is going to be "OMG you punted away the game"! which is inaccurate and insulting and takes away from both teams with this bullshit. If Butler doesn't make an insane play then the Seahawks are the new football dynasty and Carroll's a genius and no one has any issue with the play calling.
 

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Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Lots of footstomping and "I'm so ANGRY" posts coming out of the woodwork now about the final call.
 
The Pats won the Super Bowl on an incredible, improbable play and it's just killing the haters inside. They're desperately scrambling for ways to discount the Pats' achievement in any way they can.
 
I agree, but even so this comment made me laugh:
 
To be fair, everyone in the world rushes to judgment, except for Pete Carroll, who passes to judgment, and is usually intercepted.
 
 

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Asked by Clark Judge of the Talk of Fame Network to compare Brady to former teammate Joe Montana (who also has four rings), Haley said it wasn’t close, because of #DeflateGate
 
Joe didn’t have to cheat,” Haley said. “I’ve lost all respect [for Brady]. When your integrity is challenged in the game of football, to me, all his Super Bowls are tainted. You have to say this just didn’t happen overnight. Who wants that shadow over them? I could be wrong. But I realize there were 12 balls deflated and 12 ain’t. Then you’ve got [Patriots coach Bill] Belichick coming on three different times trying to explain it, . . .You know something is wrong.
 
“This is what Charles Haley believes — it’s going to come back to haunt him one day. If the league doesn’t come down on this guy, . . . Everybody is talking about it. Nobody believes it was by accident. It is what it is. I’m not going to take any of his Super Bowl rings away from him. But it’s sad that it has to be tainted like it is right now. Hopefully they’ll come out and let us know what really happened. Then all the mystery is gone.”
 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/05/charles-haley-calls-tom-bradys-super-bowl-rings-tainted/
 

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Here's the thing--it can be a "good" call, in the sense of the reasoning he gave. But it can also be a bad call because he apparently did exactly what BB thought he was going to do. Carroll was thinking 1 step ahead and BB was thinking 2.
 
In other words, if you feel like writing an internet harangue about it, you can, no matter what you think.
 

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Haley is upset because next year Brady gets his 5th ring, tying him.
 

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Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Charles Haley's the guy that used to walk around the locker room jerking off, right?
 
Yeah, but never on the field, so it's cool.
 

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How in God's name coul da patriot fan watch the game with all Seahawks fans.  I'm not nearly well-adjusted enough to let that happen.....ever.
I did. I moved to Seattle 11 years ago. Didn't have much choice (including the fact that my kids are rabid little Seahawks). They key was finding good friends who don't care too much about football. And even then, it was hard.
 

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I did. I moved to Seattle 11 years ago. Didn't have much choice (including the fact that my kids are rabid little Seahawks). They key was finding good friends who don't care too much about football. And even then, it was hard.
 
Having lived in a lot of places, Seahawks fans were definitely the most tolerable to this out-of-towner.
 
(comparisons include Chargers, Raiders, Broncos, Steelers fans).
 

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Had someone try to post a picture of Welker's drop today to troll Pats fans on another board.  That was pretty amusing.  Tears are still delicious and plentiful.
 

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I did. I moved to Seattle 11 years ago. Didn't have much choice (including the fact that my kids are rabid little Seahawks). They key was finding good friends who don't care too much about football. And even then, it was hard.
 
Do you mind sharing all the things you did so I can do the opposite?  I don't live in Seattle but I need to ensure my kid isn't a Bears fan.
 

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Most of the people watching that game were rooting for the Seahawks because they do not like the Patriots.  And they wanted the Patriots to lose so that Brady and Belichick and you and I would be miserable.
Ultimately most fans watch games to at least some significant degree from the perspective of the team they are rooting for:  Grady left in Pedro too long vs. the Yankees had another Yankee-like comeback; Bird made a spectacular steal vs. Thomas made a lousy pass, in part because Rodman and Salley ran down the  court celebrating; Dave Henderson is clutch vs. Donnie Moore threw a ridiculously bad pitch.  Most people who are going around in "shock" about the deicision to pass are probably just revealing that they were rooting hard for the Seahawks, in most cases because they hate the Patriots, particularly their coach, their quarterback and their fans, and they are also revealing some odd thinking about football in general. 
 
Now this is a generalization that fails in individual cases, like wibi, who roots for the Seahawks because he likes the Seahawks, and obviously has the capacity to see the play from multiple perspectives. And most people on this board  recognize that that particular play call was probably a little riskier than necessary, but without a very good defensive play probably is a touchdown, and even with a very good defensive play is probably just an incompletion or a stop near the goal-line and maybe even a touchdown anyway, and it  required an extraordinary combination of skill and preparation and luck from the Pats side and imperfect execution on the Seahawks side to result an interception...like a ton of plays we all see every Sunday.
 
But most of America is just pissed off because they convinced themselves the Patriots were about to lose and the team they had invested so much of their emotion into for.....three and a half long hours made a small mistake that was taken adavantage of by the hated Patriots. 
 

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Do you mind sharing all the things you did so I can do the opposite?  I don't live in Seattle but I need to ensure my kid isn't a Bears fan.
 
Speaking as a Bears fan, I'd say you should probably just let your kid watch the Bears play and the problem will take care of itself.
 

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I am really enjoying this afterglow, I personally find the haters pathetic because they are missing something special. NE has been kicking ass for 15 years in a league designed to prevent dynasties. Think of all the high draft picks the Browns have blown in that time. I find it funny that people say they violate the integrity of the game. This league has no integrity, it grinds young men into dust. 
 
The Pats are just smarter than your team. They are better prepared. They can play multiple styles on offense and they take what you do best away on offense.
 
The vaunted Seattle defense gave up 2 TDs in the fourth quarter to 2 slot receivers and couldn't cover Gronk when it counted. Game. Set. Match.
 

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I live out of state.  I tell my little kids that players on the boston teams are all really nice to their kids, and the players on rival teams (like the NYYs) are all really mean to their kids.  My oldest is in preschool, so gotta imprint it when they're young.
 

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Maybe this will clear the Pats to win 3 more in the next 4 years?
 
Then Brady can retire with 7.
 
He and Bill can sail away in the VII Rings.