Nearly won him the championship when he shunted Max off at Silverstone and still took P1. That’s the one mitigating factor in F1’s utter disaster in the last race that made the result palatable for me.
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I'm happy someone else said this.
I always chuckle when people complain about Max winning that championship after Silverstone.
If Max isn't knocked out of that race, he wins finishing 2nd...
The Haas has good 1-lap pace but chews through tires, probably made worse by Singapore/the heat. I think both Red Bulls finish top-10 (but I don't think podium, too hard to pass), and the two Haas P13/14, I suspect Tsunoda and Albon beat them as well.
It's Singapore, we're also almost certain to have multiple safety cars - if those are timed well for them, Red Bull could snag a podium, but that's completely unpredictable.
Pleasantly surprised this is on in my hotel room in Hong Kong. I'm totally not dreaming of flying to Suzuka on my off weekend next week before I head to Bangkok.
Caught quali highlights, didn't realize from the comments it was RB not making it on merit and not something like Lance Red keeping them out.
11th to 1st is going to be heroic if he can pull it off but Yas Marina is not playing to the strengths of that RB.
Caught quali highlights, didn't realize from the comments it was RB not making it on merit and not something like Lance Red keeping them out.
11th to 1st is going to be heroic if he can pull it off but Yas Marina is not playing to the strengths of that RB.
Why Red Bull couldn't get it done yesterday:
https://the-race.com/formula-1/mark-hughes-why-red-bulls-f1-car-is-suddenly-undriveable/
Great explainer, Nick. Helluva of a race today, with Sainz and Norris acting like the teammates they once were keeping the Benzes at bay. I like the street races, looking forward to Vegas in November. Still looks to me like Max will clinch in Qatar early in October.
Seconded, great explanation.
I do feel a little bad for George, that was a brutal way to end for a well-strategized race.
Finally an interesting race. They should run the rest of the season on super bumpy tracks to neutralize Red Bull. That was a cool article explaining why they are so good usually and not so good in Singapore.
Am I going to be a conspiracy theorist about something that reallllly does not matter? Totally I am.
Verstappen's lap time for the sprint is taken off the board for "track limits", but they never show a replay that shows it, unlike every other track limit violation.
They just wanted more drama and to keep him off the front row.
Verstappen's lap time for the sprint is taken off the board for "track limits", but they never show a replay that shows it, unlike every other track limit violation.
They just wanted more drama and to keep him off the front row.
Sargent retires with what sounds like heat stroke.
Maybe they should have temperature limits on these races.
Maybe they should have temperature limits on these races.
McLaren has really come on after the summer break.
Perez didn't wreck, but had no pace and kept getting 5-second penalties.
Albon had the lead at one point, but still finished out of the points.
For a while, Max has been the best driver in the best car. Piastri is driving like the best driver, right now.
Perez didn't wreck, but had no pace and kept getting 5-second penalties.
Albon had the lead at one point, but still finished out of the points.
For a while, Max has been the best driver in the best car. Piastri is driving like the best driver, right now.
He's driving like a madman but it's really close between him Lando and Max. Lando not withstanding his I'm so stupid is really right in the mix. But I do wonder how much of this is just Max being able to just drive to a number blurring things. Great to see some actual competition.
The real impressive part was 1.8s pitstops in that heat. GJ McLaren team.
That's a bit of an overreaction. Apparently he had flu-like symptoms earlier in the week and was severely dehydrated.
I think the greater point still stands. A lot of drivers were in rough shape. Physical exertion is part of sport, but when you have people zooming around at 200 mph without their full faculties bad things can happen.
Stroll said he was blacking out in the corners, Gasley (I believe) said he vomited in his helmet on lap 15, Alonso asked for water to be thrown on him during the pitstop.
Then you have this image from the cooldown room. The race was dangerously hot and they are lucky no driver fainted in their car.
McLaren passed Aston Martin in the Constructors' Championship. I think it's too little, too late for them to catch Mercedes or Ferrari.
It didn't help that Piastri was a DNF, yesterday. It will be fun if McLaren is this good next season.
F1 and Netflix must have been happy there was a semblance of Hamilton/Verstappen drama to finish the race.
Oh, I think it'd be so much fun if a race was run with an inverted starting grid. Maybe there would be a major crash going into turn one. And you'd have to have a mechanism to prevent sandbagging. With DRS it's not impossible Max could go last to first.
It didn't help that Piastri was a DNF, yesterday. It will be fun if McLaren is this good next season.
F1 and Netflix must have been happy there was a semblance of Hamilton/Verstappen drama to finish the race.
Oh, I think it'd be so much fun if a race was run with an inverted starting grid. Maybe there would be a major crash going into turn one. And you'd have to have a mechanism to prevent sandbagging. With DRS it's not impossible Max could go last to first.
Hold qualifying as normal on Friday, then have a sprint race on Saturday in which everyone starts in reverse order of the points they've accumulated in the last 12 months. Then on Sunday, calculate the starting positions for the main race by a combination of Friday qualifying + places gained relative to your starting position on Saturday. How does that sound?
I just don't love the sprint format as is, I think Max and others stated the obvious, but it kind of kills most of the intrigue from Sunday. We knew Ferrari had no chance to win over full length with their tires shredding (Ferrari gonna Ferrari tries the brilliant 1-stop with Charles then gets him a DSQ notwithstanding). I do think if you have a failure rate of 50% that sampling should increase, but that's neither here nor there.
Lewis was in a really good spot to catch Checo for P2, but his DSQ makes that quite difficult.
I do think McLaren still could still catch Ferrari, but that's a remote chance, 80 points off with 4 races and a sprint in Brazil means there's still quite a few points available but requires a at least one Ferrari DNF and a couple McLaren 2/3s to work.
Lewis was in a really good spot to catch Checo for P2, but his DSQ makes that quite difficult.
I do think McLaren still could still catch Ferrari, but that's a remote chance, 80 points off with 4 races and a sprint in Brazil means there's still quite a few points available but requires a at least one Ferrari DNF and a couple McLaren 2/3s to work.
Oh Checo, that was not a way to secure your seat or second place. Ricciardo was spectacular in that shitbox all weekend, and Lando was amazing on Sunday (not so much Saturday).
Mercedes seems like they are inching closer but it's hard to say how close they are to RB when both were obviously doing a bit of tire management and not showing full potential (see Lewis just hammering a fastest lap at the end on old Mediums). But Lewis is once again back in place for P2 with Checo taking himself out of the GP.
Mercedes seems like they are inching closer but it's hard to say how close they are to RB when both were obviously doing a bit of tire management and not showing full potential (see Lewis just hammering a fastest lap at the end on old Mediums). But Lewis is once again back in place for P2 with Checo taking himself out of the GP.
Perez was so reckless. Like, you have DRS, just get through turn 1 safeley. You'll get the pass in. Races aren't NASCAR long, but they're long enough to make a few passes...see Norris.
Also, points for Albon in the Williams, again!
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Way off topic, but in F1 Manager 23 Albon single handedly carried me to P7 in the constructors. Logan Sargeant existed I guess.
I decided to cancel my trip to Vegas. I'll go in a future year, but it looked like too much of a shitshow.
I was right in my thought to wait for last minute to buy tickets -- they are dropping fast. I'm glad I didn't buy them in advance. I'll probably try again next year, when they have ironed out the bugs and maybe the other constructors will get a little closer and make it more competitive.
I was right in my thought to wait for last minute to buy tickets -- they are dropping fast. I'm glad I didn't buy them in advance. I'll probably try again next year, when they have ironed out the bugs and maybe the other constructors will get a little closer and make it more competitive.
I love Alsono.
Perez needs to be better, he has the better car and should have gotten by much sooner.
Perez needs to be better, he has the better car and should have gotten by much sooner.
After the race the part where GP was congratulating him on the Ascari record and then surprised him with the song Max and his dad listened to after kart races was super humanizing. That little karaoke session would make a great backstory for a positive DTS episode.
I hope people soften on Max the backlash, but he makes a perfect villain. He is dominating, he's so talented, works so hard AND has that incredible machine at his disposal. It's a disgusting combo.
Compare that to Lewis sounding defeated, or Leclercs why am I always so unlucky comment, RB is stifling everyone.
The start times are crazy too. P2 is 11:00 p.m., and Qualifying is at midnight. So both in the middle of the night on the East coast, but morning in Europe, which was the goal I think. The race is at 10:00, which isn’t completely awful, but, yeah, it will be in the 50s.
I am so excited for this race. Cold weather, new track, etc. It has all the makings of a complete trainwreck and I could not be more excited.
Now that I have said that, Max will win by 2 minutes and there will be no safety cars.
Now that I have said that, Max will win by 2 minutes and there will be no safety cars.
Seems really inflexible that Sainz has to take a ten place penalty for an event that is the fault of the organizers, but that’s racing I guess.
No fun for spectators. It’s just P1 and P2 but people paid a lot of money for the inaugural event and they got 9 minutes of P1 and P2 was in the middle of the night.
I know keeping the strip open during the day was a condition of hosting in Nevada, but not so sure it is wise.
Edit — at 1:30, they closed the spectator areas and sent everyone home so FP2 was held without spectators.
No fun for spectators. It’s just P1 and P2 but people paid a lot of money for the inaugural event and they got 9 minutes of P1 and P2 was in the middle of the night.
I know keeping the strip open during the day was a condition of hosting in Nevada, but not so sure it is wise.
Edit — at 1:30, they closed the spectator areas and sent everyone home so FP2 was held without spectators.
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Not much of an F1 person, but I was in Vegas M-W this week for a trade show, and it was amazing to see what they had done with the Strip to get it ready.
Was movement around the city as bad as some of the news outlets claim?
I read a rumor that everything has to get pushed back because P3 has to be 18 hours after the end of P2. Not sure if true. I have a friend who is there and he is pretty frustrated with communication and logistics.
Honestly, I didn't notice any difference, because it always sort of sucks. I had drivers who knew back ways and I never felt anything was excessive. I might have gotten out just in time, however.