The Incredible Hülk Returns, 2023 F1 Season

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The best part of that race was Alonso assuring his team that he wouldn’t pass his awful teammate (thereby keeping daddy happy).
 

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I heard it. I took it more as an old man forgetting the world he’s now in. I’m sure it’ll blow up but I struggle with it being malicious.
Thanks for the corroboration. Agreed that it wasn't intended to be malicious, but what a cliched racist slip up – Yuki isn't even Chinese.

Edit/Correction: The commentator's slip up referred to Zhou, not Tsunoda. Apologies.
 
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I was 99% sure he was referring to Zhou. And I think it's a British stylistic thing, like how they refer to Jose Mourinho as "the Portuguese" in football commentary (as DDB basically said, "the Chinese" and "the Japanese" was actually what I was expecting Brundle to say when he was describing the incident between the two drivers)

Oh, and it's "Monegasque" for LeClerc :) - and you will hear that as well.
 

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Wasn’t he fighting with Zhou?
Yes, you (and kfoss and cgori) are absolutely correct. After some sleep and with the benefit of hearing a replay, it's now clear Brundle said, "The German, the Chinaman... the man from Japan" in reference to Hulkenberg, Zhou, and Tsunoda respectively. In the moment I didn't catch "the German", so it sounded like he just said "the Chinaman", paused, then corrected himself with a bit of emphasis. My mistake! I probably shouldn't have posted at 4-5am, but it was quite surreal and this thread was the first place I thought of checking.
 
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After the first practice, Ferrari and Mercedes seemed to have closed the gap to Red Bull somewhat although the usual caveats apply. More importantly, the forecast talks about rain both during qualis and race time, so the weekend might turn up being pretty interesting.
 

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I feel LeClerc’s pain. It’s like every race for the past couple of years has been heartbreaks bingo for him. Engine failure, strategy mistake, inopportune red flag, driver error, you name it. Virtually every single race, one of those things.
 

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On the plus side, Red Bull aren’t separating themselves from the rest of the field as much as they did in the other races. And the hard tire doesn’t seem to be working for them or the other teams.

maybe Ferrari can prolong their stint and finish on softs? Seems like a tall order.
 

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Looks like Ferraris strategy paid off. It looks like it’s becoming a two stop race for most teams, but maybe thanks to their long stint, the Ferraris can pull a one stopper?

here’s hoping they don’t have a problem with the hard tires.
 

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I think what happened with Perez this year is that in the first few races he tried to compete with Max for the championship and that meant driving the car as close to the limit as possible. unfortunately for Perez, in this effort, he went multiple times over the limit and this caused his accidents.

This weekend however, for one reason or the other, Red Bull wasn’t as dominant as the previous ones, especially vs Ferrari, so it was a tougher slog for him to overtake the best of the rest.
 

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I think it's so wild that a customer team continues to beat the works team. It has to be killing Hamilton and Toto. Especially a team that dominated for an entire engine cycle.

Credit to Alonso he drives the shit out of the Aston but even with the big upgrade Hamilton couldn't make the most of track position and killed his tires.

Max is so dominant and Perez so not is not unexpected, but the non-trigger finger is probably the more surprising part. Albon and Gasly got yeeted for similar results.

Stroll and Perez are basically the same amounts of points behind the number one driver, don't think that's a compliment to Perez.

Eventually Norris/McLaren will put together a full race, getting the 5s time penalty there to maybe gain 2 seconds on the stack is a tough one. Maybe they still end up with 0 points since the track position would change but getting one really killed them with the DRS train keeping everyone close.

Williams staying close to Haas and Alfa, Albon literally willing a tractor into best of the rest contention.
 

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Max is so dominant and Perez so not is not unexpected, but the non-trigger finger is probably the more surprising part. Albon and Gasly got yeeted for similar
Albon and Gasly weren’t capable of protecting Max when the team needed the second car to hold off a challenge. If Lewis and George were working together to provide a credible threat and Perez wasn’t there to cover strategy, the rumblings would be there.
 

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Albon and Gasly weren’t capable of protecting Max when the team needed the second car to hold off a challenge. If Lewis and George were working together to provide a credible threat and Perez wasn’t there to cover strategy, the rumblings would be there.
Agree Perez saved by sheer luck of the zero pod concept and probably his blocking in Abu Dhabi 21.
 

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0.048s – that was all that stood between Charles Leclerc and pole-sitter Max Verstappen in Friday’s thrilling qualifying session at the Red Bull Ring, with those two now set to face off in Sunday’s Austrian Grand Prix.
Ferrari put pedal to the metal at their Maranello base to fast-track upgrades originally intended for Hungary and bring them to Austria.

And those changes to the floor and front wing looked to have paid dividends, with Leclerc and team mate Carlos Sainz claiming P2 and P3 respectively in Friday’s qualifying – with Saturday’s Sprint Shootout and Sprint, and Sunday’s Austrian Grand Prix, to follow.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.leclerc-calls-p2-bittersweet-despite-best-quali-of-2023-in-austria.3ogiW4hAmkchn4O5vrHCg5.html
 

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Could we get the entire season at this track? This has been an amazing race!

And if everyone has a +5s penalty, then nobody has a penalty...
 

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The announcers called it risky, but it seemed fine by me. They had a 24 second gap with the pit stop taking 20 seconds and their pitstop crew being one of the best in the business.

After the last round of upgrades, Ferrari seems to have taken over the rest of the field, Aston Martin and Mercedes seem to have fallen back, I am not sure if the McLaren upgrades were that good or whether the track was favoring them. Mercedes has upgrades coming up for Silverstone, so we ll see if they catch up.
 

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This is so ugly. If the stewards can’t police this consistently in real-time they can’t scour footage post-race.

I wish they’d have been put in the position to really fuck things up. Max erasing his massive lead for fastest lap, only to lose the race after the fact would have been hilarious.
 

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You know they would have conveniently ignored Max losing a race. Poor Sainz though battled Perez and the strategy then gets bonked post race.
 

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Meanwhile Checo out in Q1 yet again. That's not really a problem for the team as Max could probably win the constructors on his own, but that has to be making Helmut rage.

Piastri and Landoooo excellent indeed.

Max with his 300k oopsie inCHIdent was not what I was expecting. Lucky for him his team got him back out quick that track had settled in after the red flag.

Would have been interesting if the weather was going to be mixed bag like Q1 but predictions have it quite sunny and cool. That best of the rest battle could still be a spectacle though.
 

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This season would have been very exciting if Red Bull wasn’t that far ahead of the field. If you pretend Red Bull doesn’t exist, there’s no tellling who’s going to win the championship!
 

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Big big day for McLaren. Hamilton ran a good race after so-so qualifying.

None of the top 5 could ever get DRS in the later parts of the race. Once things settled they all kind of maintained 2-3 second gaps.
 

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Amazing that Lando and Piastri both held off on Hards after the restart. I wonder if Lando had been able to keep it within 1s after the restart how things may have played out different.

Max was really not rapid on the softs at the end. He could only open it up to 3.5 after a 2 second gap after the first restart lap. Makes Russell going almost 30 laps on scrubbed softs even more impressive.

Aston and Ferrari cratering is something. This best of the Max battle is something. Perez needs to go there's so many better drivers in the midfield.

Not sure if anyone was watching F2 this weekend but that Doohan vs Bearman drama was amazing. For those that didn't see the sprint race Bearman had elbows out defending against Doohan nothing illegal but definitely aggressive, until he pushed too much and went of late in the race. Doohan passed him and waved. Then today they kept getting tangled in the Feature race great theater. Martins drove a mega race even with a 5S bs penalty for leaving the track to gain and advantage and Theo man I dunno he was so promising and he's just so inconsistent.
 

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Aston and Ferrari cratering is something. This best of the Max battle is something. Perez needs to go there's so many better drivers in the midfield.
It's crazy, Perez won two races this year and second in points, but he's in a massive slump.

Imagine what Albon could do in that car, a driver Red Bull let go?

Albon's giving that Williams all it's got.
 

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Amazing that Lando and Piastri both held off on Hards after the restart. I wonder if Lando had been able to keep it within 1s after the restart how things may have played out different.

Max was really not rapid on the softs at the end. He could only open it up to 3.5 after a 2 second gap after the first restart lap. Makes Russell going almost 30 laps on scrubbed softs even more impressive.

Aston and Ferrari cratering is something. This best of the Max battle is something. Perez needs to go there's so many better drivers in the midfield.

Not sure if anyone was watching F2 this weekend but that Doohan vs Bearman drama was amazing. For those that didn't see the sprint race Bearman had elbows out defending against Doohan nothing illegal but definitely aggressive, until he pushed too much and went of late in the race. Doohan passed him and waved. Then today they kept getting tangled in the Feature race great theater. Martins drove a mega race even with a 5S bs penalty for leaving the track to gain and advantage and Theo man I dunno he was so promising and he's just so inconsistent.
I thought I was hardcore until I read you were following F2. :)
 

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The interesting part about the lower rungs is that there's an actual member of the Habsburg royal dynasty racing. It would be fun if he were promoted to F1 just to see what kind of reception he gets in the Austrian and Hungarian grand prix.
 

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Pretty brutal for de Vries. He certainly hasn’t done much to impress but he doesn’t even have a full season under his belt and the AlphaTauri sucks this year. I suspect this is more about putting pressure on Checo by having someone at AT that at least conceivably could replace him if he continues to underperform.
 

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Pretty brutal for de Vries. He certainly hasn’t done much to impress but he doesn’t even have a full season under his belt and the AlphaTauri sucks this year. I suspect this is more about putting pressure on Checo by having someone at AT that at least conceivably could replace him if he continues to underperform.
1000%. de Vries is the sacrificial lamb to get Danny into racing form.
 

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I also think this is a test for Yuki for next season. If he can't beat Danny Ric then he's out for RBR next year. If he shows well he potentially moves up and Iwasa/Lawson are ready for AT.
 

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Good thought. Yuki has shown a significant improvement on his own this year, but he also isn't being directly compared to Gasly. If Danny jumps in and a Gasly/Tsunoda-like gap returns, Yuki is done. If the kid can stick it to the old man, there's a good argument for the Red Bull seat.
 

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You could make the case he's trying too hard. He pushing beyond his limits (track limits repeatedly), crashing during qualifying and just generally unlucky. But I think a lot of it seemed to stem after Max came back from 9th to lap him for the win in Miami. Don't think he's quite mentally recovered from that.