For his career -- including playoffs -- Revis had five defensive holding penalties, three pass interference penalties and four illegal contact calls prior to Saturday.
I think Collins makes that pick if not for uncalled OPI on that play as well. There was a lot of hand grabbing and arm bars that went uncalled in this game such that the call on Revis should not have been made. But Revis was a little more egregious, IMO. LaFell had to make an outstanding catch on a perfectly placed ball because one arm was held down when he adjusted for the catch - both he and Brady commented on it post-game.Ed Hillel said:That was Collins. It was an insane throw by Flacco, and it should have been picked.
Byrdbrain said:Yeah Collinsworth was saying after that play that Collins can do it all. I disagree his pass catching skills need work, that thing clanked off the back of his hand.
He isn't supposed to be taking on blockers; the big guys are supposed to be occupying them so Collins can dart in the gap and make the play. He's a very good tackler.Ed Hillel said:
Collins definitely has a weakness, and it's in the running game. He's small and gets pushed around. That size and quickness, however, makes him excel in all other areas. He's a perfect complementary LB in the modern NFL.
This is false. He makes up for his lack of size with a very good ability to diagnose run and fill the hole quickly and ferociously. I have no idea what makes you think he's poor in the run game. With more expereience, he'll be am excellent run stuffer.Ed Hillel said:
Collins definitely has a weakness, and it's in the running game. He's small and gets pushed around. That size and quickness, however, makes him excel in all other areas. He's a perfect complementary LB in the modern NFL.
Kenny F'ing Powers said:This is false. He makes up for his lack of size with a very good ability to diagnose run and fill the hole quickly and ferociously. I have no idea what makes you think he's poor in the run game. With more expereience, he'll be am excellent run stuffer.
Ed Hillel said:
You're probably right overall, but he had a very poor game last night at it to my eye against a physical O Line. Caveats and all, but PFF also crushed his run D last night, and had him the worst defensive player in the run game by a significant amount. Not that anyone really played well in that department, and Siliga probably was worse, given the snap counts. Siliga's performance was unexpected; he played like Vellano.
I'm surprised by jones stats after the game. I've been very critical of him during the game and since. The stats and my eyes watching that game don't seem to match. I'd have to watch some of those plays again I guess, but he felt invisible for most of the game.Phragle said:Is Chandler jones getting shit today? He didn't get home, but was close all game and finished with 10 pressures - a career high. Game ball to him.
If you can, check the rewind and look at Collins's hand position. As Belichick says, there is a reason some of these guys play defense.NomosRubber said:I think Collins makes that pick if not for uncalled OPI on that play as well.
Collins is a big dude - 6'3", 250 at the Combine. He played DE in college. He's not a sub-240 guy like Bobby Wagner or Casillas. He's just not a huge monster like Hightower. He does run really well, especially for someone that big.Ed Hillel said:
Collins definitely has a weakness, and it's in the running game. He's small and gets pushed around. That size and quickness, however, makes him excel in all other areas. He's a perfect complementary LB in the modern NFL.
I've seen him look pretty good against the run. I think last night he was just lost. It looked like one of those games where Brady just makes Polamalu look stupid. It seemed like he was always chasing the wrong action or the wrong hole. I think Kubiak used his aggressiveness against him.Kenny F'ing Powers said:This is false. He makes up for his lack of size with a very good ability to diagnose run and fill the hole quickly and ferociously. I have no idea what makes you think he's poor in the run game. With more expereience, he'll be am excellent run stuffer.
Who charted him with 10 pressures? I didn't see anything close to that. He got close a couple times and probably had a better game than his box score line indicated, but I thought it was a disappointing showing against a UDFA LT. The lack of interior pressure definitely hurts, because Flacco had a clean pocket to step up into even when Chandler was able to get the edge.Phragle said:Is Chandler jones getting shit today? He didn't get home, but was close all game and finished with 10 pressures - a career high. Game ball to him.
Does that mean he's getting his chompers fixed?P'tucket said:Looks like he's moved on from PEDs to nitrous.
Phragle said:PFF. I didn't count myself, but Hurst had his hands full.
You're not saying you charted the game and only counted 2-3 pressures are you?
Gum reductionDropkick Izzy said:Does that mean he's getting his chompers fixed?
Until PFF starts explaining how they come up with stats such as this, they cannot be considered reliable.j44thor said:They had Brady as the least pressured QB yesterday at 28% of his throws compared to Flacco at 49% pressure. Something seems off with those numbers to me.
I did not. But I did re-watch every pass snap this morning. I don't think there were 10 plays all game where Flacco was pressured by anybody, period. If you stretch the definition to "beat his man, almost got to the QB, but had no actual effect on the play," you might be able to get to 10.Phragle said:PFF. I didn't count myself, but Hurst had his hands full.
You're not saying you charted the game and only counted 2-3 pressures are you?
You also have to look at time to throw. Flacco had 2.6 seconds or more on 73.3% of his throws yesterday. In the regular season, no one had higher than 61.2% for the year. Meanwhile, Brady got off 67.9% of his passes in 2.5 seconds or less. So it's possible Flacco was pressured more, but only because he had so much longer to throw on average (3.19 seconds vs 2.43 for Brady) so he was holding the ball and going through his progressions and finally there was a little pressure at the end.j44thor said:
They had Brady as the least pressured QB yesterday at 28% of his throws compared to Flacco at 49% pressure. Something seems off with those numbers to me.
Phragle said:Is Chandler jones getting shit today? He didn't get home, but was close all game and finished with 10 pressures - a career high. Game ball to him.
( . ) ( . ) and (_!_) said:I'm surprised by jones stats after the game. I've been very critical of him during the game and since. The stats and my eyes watching that game don't seem to match. I'd have to watch some of those plays again I guess, but he felt invisible for most of the game.
Super Nomario said:I did not. But I did re-watch every pass snap this morning. I don't think there were 10 plays all game where Flacco was pressured by anybody, period. If you stretch the definition to "beat his man, almost got to the QB, but had no actual effect on the play," you might be able to get to 10.
You also have to look at time to throw. Flacco had 2.6 seconds or more on 73.3% of his throws yesterday. In the regular season, no one had higher than 61.2% for the year. Meanwhile, Brady got off 67.9% of his passes in 2.5 seconds or less. So it's possible Flacco was pressured more, but only because he had so much longer to throw on average (3.19 seconds vs 2.43 for Brady) so he was holding the ball and going through his progressions and finally there was a little pressure at the end.
I also don't know how PFF considers plays where the Ravens broke through the line initially and Brady evaded him and then ended up with some time in a clean pocket, but only because he was able to handle some initial pressure. Does that count or not? There were a few of those.
If Chandler Jones had 10 pressures the Patriots would have won by 2 scores.Phragle said:Is Chandler jones getting shit today? He didn't get home, but was close all game and finished with 10 pressures - a career high. Game ball to him.
Curtis Pride said:Tom Brady.
Because he's Tom Brady, and you're not.