The Game Ball Thread: HOLY SHIT ZOMBIE PATS

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SunkToANewLowell said:
Not unethical just a gimmick according to Fizzle
@RyanHannable: Terrell Suggs on if he's seen a team use four offensive linemen before? "Yeah, it's a football game. You see one gimmick you see them all."
I mean yeah it is a gimmick but the whole point is that you haven't seen it before
 

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The pick was fucking horrendous, but all those "he's not elite anymore", "Tom Brady hasn't come through in a playoff game in a long time", "he isn't clutch" bullshit was the definition of an overreaction. Dude made a dumbass mistake, criticize that, sure, but settle down on the negative hyperbole, especially when there is a whole half of football to play. That's what was infuriating, taking one pass and turning it into an indictment of his whole career.
Why do you let trolls and idiots infuriate you?
 

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nazz45 said:
 
Here's more on this type of formation, which gets into the whole uncovered / covered issue as well.
 
Thanks for linking.  From the link above:
 
 
 
Are there any advantages with this formation? I suppose the offense could try and substitute a TE or apt pass catcher into the game for the right tackle. It is not common to have a tackle eligible so such a move could confuse the defense and potentially provide a gimmick play. You probably also realized that the defense, if it did not recognize the "slot" receiver was ineligible, wasted a defensive back covering a guy who cannot catch a forward pass. An offensive coordinator could bank on such and use this to his advantage. The offense could also try to utilize better blocking receivers and run the ball to the trips side against extra defensive backs. If anyone else has ideas, let them fly.
 

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On the Edelman pass, when BB was asked about it, I love how he not only talked about that Patten play, but he did it like the reporter should have remembered. BB said something like "What play? Oh. Well, we've done that before. Back in '01 with David Patten and Troy Brown."
 
He related back to a play 14 years ago like it was something they tried in week 5.
 

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game balls to:
-Vollmer and Solder..and to a lesser degree Kline, man I thought that was the end when he came in, but he was okay.
-Amendola and Edelman
-the DBs -- really good job in the 2nd half.
-Josh McD -- excellent playcalling throughout.
 
 
goats to:
-the DL, especially Chandler Jones who was awful. How about rotating him some with Ayers? Wilfork and Branch were a disappointment, too.
-whoever didn't make the adjustment to those swing passes the Ravens were throwing. Christ almighty.
-BB for not going for it on 4th down...ever. What happened to him?
 
 
 
Ed Hillel said:
Sounds like Browner is fine, and he was actually benched. Browner himself said that Ryan was a better matchup, which I think is kind of an awesome bit of humility.
 
Interesting. They sure seemed better with Ryan in there.
 
DrewDawg said:
 
He did comment. He said no one has ever seen that before and the league will probably look into it, and the refs then told him they should have given him the chance to sub. 
 
 
Yes, but he refused to comment on the ethical question, clearly insinuating he thought it was unethical.
 
DrewDawg said:
On the Edelman pass, when BB was asked about it, I love how he not only talked about that Patten play, but he did it like the reporter should have remembered. BB said something like "What play? Oh. Well, we've done that before. Back in '01 with David Patten and Troy Brown."
 
He related back to a play 14 years ago like it was something they tried in week 5.
 
That was hilarious. Something like..."No, we've run that before -- I think it was in '01 with Patten and Brown." All in a "you dumbshit, don't you remember?" tone.
 

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BigSoxFan said:
The Ravens had 8 different receivers with completions over 10 yards.
Wrong thread - this is the PATS game ball thread. The Ravens we played good but they trickolated us thread is on Sons of Ozzie or some such
 

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BigSoxFan said:
Whoops, my bad. I just thought it was an interesting stat.
No big deal - as per upthread, no goats after this one.
 
Also, if there was a special game ball for "surprisingly effective," - well - Klein and Ryan for sure - Chung after a first drive that looked pretty bad - and Duron o'course for the pick
 
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I don't think it can be said enough - the mental toughness of these guys was phenomenal tonight. Brady continuing to just fight, despite the pressure of EVERYTHING on his shoulders, the actual pressure he deftly bobbed and weaved away from, and the pressure he brought on himself after that poor decision/throw that led to momentum and seven points for Baltimore right before the half - that took some intestinal fortitude and focus. And he didn't let it get to him emotionally, playing that ugly sort of angry he can fall into sometimes. (I credit the cacao.)

Also, others have said it but more of us should - Josh Kline not completely crapping himself, and the entire OL not turtling into a frantic heap upon seeing him enter the fray...that's pretty clutch.
 

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This game almost killed me. In the end, I think we were very lucky to win. Guys stepped up huge and we showed a lot of mental toughness, but we still needed fumble luck, trick plays, and two bad brainfarts from Flacco.

I don't see us winning two more with such awful DL play and without an interior OL that can run the ball even a little. Very disappointing performance in particular from the DL given the patchwork OL Baltimore put on the field.
 

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Can't say enough about McDaniels in this one. Made the right call to abandon the run, rolled out the trick plays perfectly, and figured out how to get Brady in a groove after some early pressure.

I thought the play calling was good even when they stalled out. The 3rd down pass to Gronk was a great matchup to get and should have been a hold. The first play after the McCourty pick, the fake stretch play, would have been six to Edelman if the protection had held up at all.
 

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He's been mentioned upthread, but hasn't been mentioned enough.
 
Harmon, simply for being in the right place at the right time.
 
Brady was fucking outstanding outside of the pick, even though it seemed like the first few passes were not quite where he wanted them to be.
 
Edelman.... holy cow what a perfect pass.  
 
Outside of one poor punt and the stupid taunting, the special teams did a great job of keeping the Ravens from getting big returns.
 

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Edelman was out of his mind tonight. Of course the throw but that fumble recovery was just completely odds defying. Brady that throw to Lafell picture perfect in every way. 
 
Gronk was there to be team MVP for Brady every time they needed him. What a game... 
 

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BigSoxFan said:
I've been trying to find a video of Edelman's fumble recovery to no luck. I have no idea how he got it back. There were like 5 Ravens all round him.
 
Agreed---I would guess he was a bad, bad, man at the bottom of that pile.
 
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Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
I think we were very lucky to win. Guys stepped up huge and we showed a lot of mental toughness, but we still needed fumble luck, trick plays, and two bad brainfarts from Flacco.
One could just as easily say that the ravens were lucky, given the two awful sacks that took us out of FG range and the terrible pick at the end of the first half, which was in and of itself a potential 10-point swing. I don't see this as a lucky win at all, at least not in he he "didn't deserve to win" sense. I think this team earned this victory in spades, more so than most close games we've seen over the last decade and a half.
 

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Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
This game almost killed me. In the end, I think we were very lucky to win. Guys stepped up huge and we showed a lot of mental toughness, but we still needed fumble luck, trick plays, and two bad brainfarts from Flacco.
I don't think I agree with you on the lucky part. If the refs called the game evenly, the pats win by more.
 
You can not, not call at least defensive holding on the the guy defending Gronk on the pats first drive of the 3rd quarter and then turn around and call Revis for holding when Flacco was strip sacked later in the 3rd. Either both are penalties or neither are, those were really big calls in the game that were clearly not officiated the same way.
 
Either both are a penalty or neither are. Those two calls if reversed are at least a 6 point swing and depending on how you look at the the Pats first drive a 17 point swing.
 

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Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt said:
One could just as easily say that the ravens were lucky, given the two awful sacks that took us out of FG range and the terrible pick at the end of the first half, which was in and of itself a potential 10-point swing. I don't see this as a lucky win at all, at least not in he he "didn't deserve to win" sense. I think this team earned this victory in spades, more so than most close games we've seen over the last decade and a half.
 
Well, those aren't luck plays - those are skill plays. The OL screwed up/Brady screwed up...they were beat on those plays,that's not luck. That said, I do agree with your basic point...the PI against Revis was a terrible call -- that's lucky for the Ravens. The non PI call when Gronk had his arms held was ridiculous and cost the Pats a drive -- that's lucky for the Ravens. The holding call against Revis wasn't a bad call, but it was ticky tack and it was great luck for the Ravens that it coincided with what would have been a huge TO with the great forced fumble and recovery at the 1...I think that was pretty damn lucky, too.
 
So, both teams had some fortune. The Pats recovering their own fumbles was super fortunate. I kind of think the Ravens had more luck than the Pats, but that's probably just a partisan view, it more or less evened out.
 

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Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt said:
One could just as easily say that the ravens were lucky, given the two awful sacks that took us out of FG range and the terrible pick at the end of the first half, which was in and of itself a potential 10-point swing. I don't see this as a lucky win at all, at least not in he he "didn't deserve to win" sense. I think this team earned this victory in spades, more so than most close games we've seen over the last decade and a half.
I never said that we didn't deserve to win. But we really did play poorly in some key respects, and if those two fumbles bounced into purple jerseys in the first half, it was probably game over.

There were a lot of heroes out there but also some bad football and bad coaching, largely on the defensive side of the ball. DL was awful. Marty P largely got his ass handed to him by Kubiak. We'll need to be a lot better to win the Super Bowl.
 

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Ravens were 1-9 on third down, that's fantastic. The 3-3 on 4th sucked, but overall 4-12 on those 2 downs and that's outstanding.
 

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PedroKsBambino said:
 
Agreed---I would guess he was a bad, bad, man at the bottom of that pile.
He probably grabbed their hands against their will.
 

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Silverdude2167 said:
I don't think I agree with you on the lucky part. If the refs called the game evenly, the pats win by more.
 
You can not, not call at least defensive holding on the the guy defending Gronk on the pats first drive of the 3rd quarter and then turn around and call Revis for holding when Flacco was strip sacked later in the 3rd. Either both are penalties or neither are, those were really big calls in the game that were clearly not officiated the same way.
 
Either both are a penalty or neither are. Those two calls if reversed are at least a 6 point swing and depending on how you look at the the Pats first drive a 17 point swing.
They missed the Gronk call for sure. The Revis holding call was absolutely the right call. They also missed a very obvious PI on McCourty (I think) on 3rd down the first time we stopped them. I thought the calls were pretty close to even overall.
 
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Back to what this thread is about - apologies for temporarily derailing - here's LaFell articulating one of my Brady points succinctly via a post game chat with #12:

“I just told him that, I was like, ‘Man, I’ve seen guys throw interceptions right before the half, and they just go in the tank. You didn’t do that, man. You came back and led us. We were down 14 in the second half. You kept preaching. You kept going out there and leading by example and we appreciate that.'”
 

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Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt said:
Did Tim Wright play? Injured?
He played just 2 snaps in the first half, not sure if he got out there in the second. It seemed like Amendola was out there more than usual. Might have been a matchup thing, to get another one of Baltimore's crappy DBs on the field. Plus the Pats were losing the whole game, so it made sense to go with the best pass lineup. And for the gimmick lineup obviously Hoomanwanui made more sense.
 

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I have a confession.
 
My laptop was plugged in for the first two Ravens scores.
 
Then I unplugged it when I shifted to the other side of the couch and the Pats scored twice.
 
My battery was about to die so I plugged it in again and the Ravens scored twice. I figured out what was happening so I unplugged it again. Then the Pats scored twice.
 
I needed a little bit more of a charge so I plugged it in for five minutes and unplugged it, then the Ravens got a field goal and then the Pats scored. I left it unplugged from there on out.
 
I was almost the goat.
 
You are probably directly responsible for at least a dozen deaths by cardiac arrest in New England alone.  I hope you learned something and make an adjustment for next week.
 
Game ball to everyone involved in the thing with Vereen and Hooman.  I didn't understand any of that at all during the game.  Only after reading the "Illegal Substitution?" thread did I appreciate the genius behind it.  So another game ball to the folks in that thread who broke it down for those of us who are slower on the uptake.
 

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Any news on Stork? Many people seem to be assuming he's done but I haven't seen any concrete info. I'm no DRS but it looked like maybe an MCL type situation and sometimes guys come back from mild MCL sprains pretty quick (maybe not by next weekend, but possibly by the SuperBowl if we get there).
 
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It's a shame about that second Revis penalty - it nullified a tremendous individual effort by Jamie Collins. That one little tug on Steve Smith's shoulder erased a game-changing highlight and another notch in JC's belt.
 

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MyDaughterLovesTomGordon said:
D did know, though. Umpire announce, "34 is ineligible, leave him uncovered," or something similar. Could haar loud and clear in the stadium.
Yeah, 100% my bad. Wasn't clear immediately after the game that was the case.
 

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Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
They missed the Gronk call for sure. The Revis holding call was absolutely the right call. They also missed a very obvious PI on McCourty (I think) on 3rd down the first time we stopped them. I thought the calls were pretty close to even overall.
Just rewatched that very play. McCourty absolutely made contact early with Daniels. That said, the Revis PI on Smith was nearly as bad as the no call on Gronk. Terrible call.
 

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Just rewatched that very play. McCourty absolutely made contact early with Daniels. That said, the Revis PI on Smith was nearly as bad as the no call on Gronk. Terrible call.
The refs missed another PI in the end zone on Edelman in the third quarter. The route was a double move with a cut towards the post then a run to the back corner. Brady threw the ball to the corner and it bounced on the ground 3 yards in front of Edelman. The broadcast review showed Edelman wasn't there because the DB grabbed and held him as he was turning towards the corner.
I believe that was 2nd down and they scored on 3rd so it didn't matter much in the end, but it was a badly blown call.