The Championship Outlook: 2015 and beyond

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Stitch01 said:
Solder was a bit up and down this year, but given he finished reasonably strong an extension seems reasonably likely to me.  They can lower the '15 cap number.  Vollmer is only signed through '16 and will turn 33 in '17, don't really want to be addressing both tackle positions at once and might be able to slide him to right tackle if needed.
That makes sense to me. The X factor is the concussions and what the team thinks of that in terms of risk. He made it through all of 2014 without one but he's had four during his time with the Patriots (and who knows how many before that).
 

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I really think they need:
 
1-better guards, the current crew is old and adequate and I respect the hell out of them. But can improve at that slot most easily.
 
2-two-way running back. Love Blount and love Gray, too, for that matter. ...
 
Those are the only two areas where I see urgency in re upgrades. Love the depth on the defensive side and the overall youth of the team.
I agree that this is the starting point in a vacuum, but the problem is that it's not a vacuum -- to simply stand pat and bring back the 2014 squad in 2015 would be nearly impossible financially, which creates the sense of urgency.

With that as the lens, I would argue the urgency is:

1) Retaining Revis.

2) ... everything else.

Manza Young breaks it down quickly by positional group here: http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/02/05/patriots-roster-breakdown-with-eye-toward-next-season/jGXi6eleIWuuppsltf9zBI/story.html?p1=Article_Related_Box_Article

In my opinion, the offseason has to start:

A) With a Revis extension (he's worth every penny of the $14.1M/year it will take to make him the highest paid CB in the NFL, even for 3+ years)

B) By franchising McCourty (~$10M, I believe)

Do that, and I almost don't care what else they do. Cut Solder and play Vollmer at LT? Fine. Cut Vince and play Vellano? Not what I would do, but have at it. Trade out of the 2015 draft altogether and go on vacation? Who am I to judge?

Then everything else follows:

- Reworking the OL, as you say, will be the next priority. Signing or more like drafting Guard(s) will be a top priority (likely to replace Connolly -- for instance, loving what I've read about AJ Cann from South Carolina)
- Restructuring contracts that don't make sense (Vince/Mayo/Solder -- have a hunch one of these guys is with another team in 2015)
- Worrying about the Specialists (Ghost is the best in the NFL in my opinion, while Aiken is pretty meh)
- Upgrading the 3rd CB? (Arrington, Dennard and Ryan were all exposed at times last year, and considering that Sub is the new Base your 3rd CB is a starter -- if 4th quarter of the Super Bowl Butler is the real Butler, giddy up!! But I still think this could be addressed)
- Upgrading the RB position. (Vereen is likely priced out, so are you going to go into 2015 counting on White to be your 3rd down back? Give Ridley a 1-year prove it deal? Someone I'm keeping an eye on is Ahmad Bradshaw -- I think he could be a perfect fit on this team: good out of the backfield, I feel like Belichick loves him, etc.)
- Upgrading the DL (Even if he returns, Wilfork will be 34, Branch is probably gone, Easley remains a question.  Is Bequette finally ready to play, or is he a AAAA kind of guy?)

Overall, I think the Patriots have a chance to do something really special in 2015. They are young and talented and have incredible depth at most positions. They just need to spend their resources wisely, and make the right decisions about which players to retain.
 

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Super Nomario said:
Maybe Easley can solve that problem, but they could use another interior guy who can generate push and an heir apparent to Ninkovich.
So it's time to start looking for former Big 10 pass rushers who were either drafted late or undrafted and are currently struggling to hang on in the NFL as special team players but might b able to come in and struggle for a year as they learn to play OLB and eventually become an important part of the defense.
 

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Given their importance in Belichick's style, I'd say LB depth is important. You don't want to be one injury away from being killed by every TE, or being unable to stop a decent running team. The key here, of course, is Mayo and his contract. He'll be 29 next season, so there's still a very good chance he'll be productive. But, his cap hit is likely $6 million. 
 
Just a hunch, but while I'd love Ayers back, someone will pay him a la Tully Banta-Cain (I don't know why I link the two in my mind, but I do).
 
Also seems to me that LB is not a position where either or both a) someone can play at a high-enough level in their rookie year b) Belichick trusts a rookie enough.
 
Given those three thoughts, I guess I'm arguing for a Mayo restructure. 3 for $12 with $10 guaranteed, will that get it done?**
 
** I made that up 
 

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Does anyone really Think Mayo is coming back anywhere near that cap number? I can't imagine he'd be back for a cap number half that.
 

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Does anyone really Think Mayo is coming back anywhere near that cap number? I can't imagine he'd be back for a cap number half that.
Well, at least 6.5 is guaranteed, all of it if he can't pass a physical. There isn't all that much the Pats can do in terms of lowering his hit by all that much.
 

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Given their importance in Belichick's style, I'd say LB depth is important. You don't want to be one injury away from being killed by every TE, or being unable to stop a decent running team. The key here, of course, is Mayo and his contract. He'll be 29 next season, so there's still a very good chance he'll be productive. But, his cap hit is likely $6 million. 
 
Just a hunch, but while I'd love Ayers back, someone will pay him a la Tully Banta-Cain (I don't know why I link the two in my mind, but I do).
 
...
 
 
I'm a big Ayers fanboy, but I still don't see why a team would give him much of a contract: dumped by the Titans and then played relatively sparingly -- albeit effectively -- for the Pats. I was constantly wondering why BB didn't play him more after Chandler J returned, but I guess that at least had the effect of dampening his market value. But I'd still love him back as part of the DE/LB rotation, he's a good player. On the flip, if I'm Ayers I'm probably looking for a 1 year prove-it deal with a club that will promise him a lot of playing time ...more than the Pats are willing to give.
 

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Here's Manza Young's breakdown I linked above:

Quarterback/GOAT
Tom Brady (signed through 2017), Jimmy Garoppolo (2017).

Offensive line
Marcus Cannon (2016), Jordan Devey (2015), Cameron Fleming (2017), Josh Kline (2015), Nate Solder (2015), Bryan Stork (2017), Sebastian Vollmer (2016), Ryan Wendell (2015).
 
- Free agent: Dan Connolly.

Running back
LeGarrette Blount (2015), Brandon Bolden (2016), Tyler Gaffney (2017), Jonas Gray (2015), James White (2017).
 
- Free agents: James Develin, Stevan Ridley, Shane Vereen.

Tight end
Rob Gronkowski (2019), Michael Hoomanawanui (2015), Tim Wright (2015).

Wide receiver
Danny Amendola (2017), Josh Boyce (2015), Aaron Dobson (2016), Julian Edelman (2017), Brandon LaFell (2016), Matthew Slater (2016).
 
- Exclusive-rights free agents: Greg Orton, Brian Tyms.

Defensive line
Michael Buchanan (2016), Dominique Easley (2017), Chandler Jones (2015), Chris Jones (2016), Zach Moore (2017), Rob Ninkovich (2016), Joe Vellano (2015), Vince Wilfork (2016).

- Free agent: Alan Branch.
- Exclusive-rights free agent: Sealver Siliga

Linebackers
Jamie Collins (2016), Darius Fleming (2015), Cameron Gordon (2016), Dont’a Hightower (2015), Jerod Mayo (2017).

- Free agents: Akeem Ayers, Jonathan Casillas, Chris White.
- Exclusive-rights free agent: James Morris

Defensive backs
Kyle Arrington (2016), Brandon Browner (2016), Malcolm Butler (2016), Patrick Chung (2017), Alfonzo Dennard (2015), Nate Ebner (2015), Duron Harmon (2016), Logan Ryan (2016), Tavon Wilson (2015).
 
- Free agent: Devin McCourty.
- Special situation: Darrelle Revis (2015) (NOTE: Obviously will not be back under this contract)

Specialists
P Ryan Allen (2015).
 
- Free agents: LS Danny Aiken, K Stephen Gostkowski.
 

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I've been doing a bit of thinking about the kicker position, and the potential impact of losing Gostkowski.  It seems to me that with all the business that has to get done and the limited cap space, signing the best and likely to be closest to highest paid kicker in the league is perhaps a luxury the Patriots don't have.  What I've been trying to figure out is whether they should.  He's probably a $3.5 million a year kicker, at least, with something close to $3 million in cap hit -- even if he signed the exact same contract he just finished (which he could probably beat unless he wants to give a home team discount), it's a cap hit of $2.6 million.  The market for median level kickers (I hate to use "replacement level" in this context, since it's kind of a term of art) seems to be around $900,000 to $2,000,000, so for purposes of the exercise, I guess I imagine the Patriots needing to take a cap hit in 2015 of around $1.2 to $1.5 million to get a competent replacement.  So, the question is whether he's worth an extra $1 to $1.5 million of cap hit in 2015? Obviously, they thought he was five years ago, but kicking in the NFL has changed a bit.  I looked back at the last three years of stats to try to get a sense of what the value of a top notch kicker is, over a median salary/median competence level kicker.
 
What jumps out pretty significantly is that kickers just don't miss kicks under 40 yards these days.  There were 5 misses total under 30 yards last year.  There were 30 misses from 30-39 yards last year in nearly 300 attempts -- a little less than one per team (and our guy had one miss).  Compare this to 57 misses under 40 yards in 2009, the year before Gostkowski signed his deal.  Put simply, missing kicks under 40 is rare and I'm not really sure there's a way to pick the guy that's going to get unlucky on one from any other guy. The real thing that seems to differentiate kickers right now is kicks over 40 yard.  Gostkowski excels in that department.  I can show my work, but essentially he's about 11 percent better than the median kicker.  He also is usually high on the list in terms of attempts from this distance.  Over the last three years, he's attempted 48 field goals over 40 yards -- an 11 percent better proficiency translates to about 15.84 points over this time, or 5.28 points per year.  In short, he's good for an extra 1/3 of a point per game, on average.
 
There also is a field position component to field goal misses from 40+ yards.  A missed field goal from that distance cedes an average of about 15-18 yards in average starting position, give or take.  So, if you assume a median level kicker would miss on average about 1.76 more FGs than Gostkowski from 40 plus distance per year, this would cede about 30-40 yards per year in field position.  You have to back out of this the percentage of times that such kicks are attempted at or near the end of a half, where field position doesn't matter.  I don't even know how to begin figuring out the point component of yards of field position, but while it seems like a non-negligible number, it doesn't seem all that significant.
 
Gostkowski is also always at or near the top of the league in touchbacks, adding more field position.  Finally, he plays most games outdoors, although looking down the list of kickers from last year, kicking has gotten so damned good in the NFL recently, that I'm not sure how much weather even matters any more for distinguishing kickers.  
 
Roughly speaking, Gostkowski seems good, in creating and preventing points, for about a touchdown per year over a kicker of average competence.  I would think there's some rough translation you can make from points to wins, like you can in baseball from runs to wins, but for a team that scores about 300 points a year, what's the value of those 7 points?  Is it $1.4 million in cap room?  Even if it is next year, kicking proficiency shows no sign of getting worse, and if you assume a 4 or so year deal, might kickers all be essentially interchangeable in a few more years as train and technology gets better, and can you still assume he'll be good for 1.75 fewer misses per year over any other kicker in the last years of a contract?  
 
Not sure.  My hunch is he's gone, and that's a very defensible result.  He's certainly not at the top of anyone's mind right now, given that he had no work to do at all in the playoffs.  He made one field goal in the entire run, and it was shorter than an extra point, if I remember correctly.
 

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OTOH, if the quality of kickers has improved overall with little variance in the group, other teams may also think it's not worth overpaying for his services. What is his potential market like?
 

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Frankly I don't see why average salary for kickers really means much in this decision. I think it's Ghost vs Potential replacements. The only FA I'd want would be Tucker. Bryant and Feely are both old as shit, so how long are they viable? Nugent is a shitshow, as is Prater but in a different way. Succop doesn't have the leg strength, imo, to handle the wind for late season home games.

So the question to me is can you get Tucker (or someone else you personally prefer) for less enough, if at all? If not are you willing or go with a rookie or a retread? BB values special teams too much imo to go with a rookie, but I guess he did it twice before. End of the day I think he's back. There's other less risky ways to shave $1M under the cap.
 
A rookie kicker, in all likelihood, would contribute more like $3 million worth of savings under the cap, though. I agree that Gostkowski is an uber-elite kicker, but that kind of savings is valuable to this team, this year.
 

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Papelbon's Poutine said:
So the question to me is can you get Tucker (or someone else you personally prefer) for less enough, if at all? If not are you willing or go with a rookie or a retread? BB values special teams too much imo to go with a rookie, but I guess he did it twice before. End of the day I think he's back. There's other less risky ways to shave $1M under the cap.
He's done it before with kickers, and he's done it a couple times recently with punters. Further, the quality of street free agents at kicker is pretty high, so it's a less risky position to cheap out on.
 
I don't know what this year's rookies are like, but he seems like a very possible guy to let go in favor of a rookie.
 

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Papelbon's Poutine said:
Frankly I don't see why average salary for kickers really means much in this decision. I think it's Ghost vs Potential replacements. The only FA I'd want would be Tucker. Bryant and Feely are both old as shit, so how long are they viable? Nugent is a shitshow, as is Prater but in a different way. Succop doesn't have the leg strength, imo, to handle the wind for late season home games.

So the question to me is can you get Tucker (or someone else you personally prefer) for less enough, if at all? If not are you willing or go with a rookie or a retread? BB values special teams too much imo to go with a rookie, but I guess he did it twice before. End of the day I think he's back. There's other less risky ways to shave $1M under the cap.
 
I was thinking Shayne Graham might be an option, but I just googled him to look up his stats and it appears he got resigned by the Saints.
 
It's just hard to see much of a difference between rookies and vets right now.  Parkey was 8-10 over 40 (and 4-4 over 50).  Cantazaro was 12-14 over 40 (dome though).  Cairo Santos was 8-12.  Patrick Murray was 11-13 (5-6 over 50).  That's a pretty good rookie class.  I think kicking techniques and training have gotten so good that rookies might actually be coming in better than at any time in the past.  The only rookie that turned out poorly was McManus, who really got the Broncos job late from the practice squad.
 

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theapportioner said:
OTOH, if the quality of kickers has improved overall with little variance in the group, other teams may also think it's not worth overpaying for his services. What is his potential market like?
 
The free agent contracts from last year seem to indicate that $3 million or so is the going rate for a top level kicker.  Hauschka got 3/9.  Dawson got 2/6.  Viatieri got 2/5.  Carpenter got 4/10.  Gano got 4/12.  I haven't looked at spotrac on all these deals to see whether they are all real money, but usually kicker contracts are pretty straightforward and they don't shuffle off big cap hits to later years.  I assume Gostkowski could probably tack on a bit for being the best kicker in the NFL at the moment.
 
I'm not sure my premise is correct -- that variance among kickers is currently declining.  It's much more of a hypothesis at this point.  But if it is I don't really think too many football guys are going Billy Beane on it yet to figure out what it's really all about and so perceptions of "elite" kicking will probably continue to draw $3m.  Kicking feels super important when it matters, and there are enough stupid football people in the NFL to be unduly swayed by this even if the numbers start to cry out that there's a market inefficiency. 
 

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Another thing to consider: Belichck doesn't screw up special teams decisions.

He lets Vinateri walk, the greatest kicker in Patriots history... and signs someone who is his equal (or perhaps even superior statistically, although he doesn't have 2 or 3 of the greatest kicks in NFL history to his name).

He cuts Mesko... and brings in random Ryan Allen as a UDFA, who is at least Mesko's equal and statistically his superior.

It's a cop out on a discussion board, and I'm interested to read people's thoughts, but I sort of trust BB on this one. If he thinks we should spend money on Ghost, I'm for it (and I LOVE Ghost). If not, I assume it is because he believes he can replace him adequately and has other more pressing needs.
 

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DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
I'm not sure my premise is correct -- that variance among kickers is currently declining.  It's much more of a hypothesis at this point.  
 
I think it'd be a great topic for a SoSH Central article. Because of the unique and isolated roles of kickers and punters in football, their value relative to their peers is probably more amenable to a kind of quantized analysis that is more difficult to achieve for players in other positions.
 

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dynomite said:
Another thing to consider: Belichck doesn't screw up special teams decisions.

He lets Vinateri walk, the greatest kicker in Patriots history... and signs someone who is his equal (or perhaps even superior statistically, although he doesn't have 2 or 3 of the greatest kicks in NFL history to his name).

He cuts Mesko... and brings in random Ryan Allen as a UDFA, who is at least Mesko's equal and statistically his superior.

It's a cop out on a discussion board, and I'm interested to read people's thoughts, but I sort of trust BB on this one. If he thinks we should spend money on Ghost, I'm for it (and I LOVE Ghost). If not, I assume it is because he believes he can replace him adequately and has other more pressing needs.
I agree, but his handling of the position has been kind of mystifying. They could have saved big money by cutting Gostkowski before this year, and they didn't even bring up camp competition. But now he faces free agency. I would have thought that either they'd bring in another body last summer, or they would have worked something out to lower his 2014 cap number and settle the position for a few more seasons.
 

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Another factor to consider is that there are some who want to make kicking harder - including by pushing back the extra point line (aside: this is a terrible idea) and narrower goal posts as was tried at the Pro Bowl. Lord knows if and when these changes will be implemented in actual games but there's a non-zero chance that the variance might increase in the future, putting a premium on better kickers.
 

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singaporesoxfan said:
Another factor to consider is that there are some who want to make kicking harder - including by pushing back the extra point line (aside: this is a terrible idea) and narrower goal posts as was tried at the Pro Bowl. Lord knows if and when these changes will be implemented in actual games but there's a non-zero chance that the variance might increase in the future, putting a premium on better kickers.
 
It would be cool to see a KickFx tool akin to PitchFx, to see what kind of accuracy and precision kickers have. 
 

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Another thing to consider: Belichck doesn't screw up special teams decisions.

He lets Vinateri walk, the greatest kicker in Patriots history... and signs someone who is his equal (or perhaps even superior statistically, although he doesn't have 2 or 3 of the greatest kicks in NFL history to his name).

He cuts Mesko... and brings in random Ryan Allen as a UDFA, who is at least Mesko's equal and statistically his superior.

It's a cop out on a discussion board, and I'm interested to read people's thoughts, but I sort of trust BB on this one. If he thinks we should spend money on Ghost, I'm for it (and I LOVE Ghost). If not, I assume it is because he believes he can replace him adequately and has other more pressing needs.
I'm not sure why you categorize Allen as a random. He was the first kicker ever to win multiple Ray Guy awards as the best punter in college football in 2011 and 2012. It's not like Belichick found him at Ocean State Job Lots working the register.
 

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I'm not sure why you categorize Allen as a random. He was the first kicker ever to win multiple Ray Guy awards as the best punter in college football in 2011 and 2012. It's not like Belichick found him at Ocean State Job Lots working the register.
 
Daniel Sepulveda also won twice. That being said, although the Ray Guy award has only been around for about 15 years, winning it hasn't really been a strong predictor for NFL success thus far.
 
http://rayguyaward.com/past-winners-finalists/
 

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theapportioner said:
 
Daniel Sepulveda also won twice. That being said, although the Ray Guy award has only been around for about 15 years, winning it hasn't really been a strong predictor for NFL success thus far.
 
http://rayguyaward.com/past-winners-finalists/
 
Good point. I guess he is the only one to win consecutive ones. I'll stand by my point though he wasn't a "random" that BB found on the scrap heap. 
 
 
Being an UDFA as a Punter is pretty typical as well. From 2002-2013 only 22 total punters were drafted.
 
http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2013/2/21/4012156/nfl-draft-punters
 

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Sure, it was a bit hyperbolic.  Mostly I just meant that Mesko was a pretty highly valued prospect (picked in the 5th round in 2010, I believe the first kicker or punter selected that year) and not many people expected a change at the position.
 

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Who’s better in the AFC?
Denver said the same thing last year at this time, and rightfully so.  After all, they had just beat New England soundly in the AFC Championship game and then proceeded to add Demarcus Ware, Aqib Talib, Emanuel Sanders, and TJ Ward. 
 

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Denver said the same thing last year at this time, and rightfully so.  After all, they had just beat New England soundly in the AFC Championship game and then proceeded to add Demarcus Ware, Aqib Talib, Emanuel Sanders, and TJ Ward. 
Denver also got embarrassed against the same Seahawks
 

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Denver also got embarrassed against the same Seahawks
His question is who is better in the AFC (not in the NFL).  
 
I simply wish to point out that it is an absurd question to ask at this point, before free agency, the draft, training camp, the season and injuries, etc. 
 

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I agree, but his handling of the position has been kind of mystifying. They could have saved big money by cutting Gostkowski before this year, and they didn't even bring up camp competition. But now he faces free agency. I would have thought that either they'd bring in another body last summer, or they would have worked something out to lower his 2014 cap number and settle the position for a few more seasons.
 
Not clear what bringing in competition last preseason would have accomplished.  They thought Ghost was worth his contract, and he's the best in the league.   They know that the reality of the K market is there's always FAs who are 90-95% of the incumbent available.  No reason to bring in competition the year before you might make a change at kicker---though I'd agree with you if it were almost any other position...better to optimize performance from it during a 'go for it now' year and then decide how to proceed.  I think they have tended to view K/P more as a year to year thing than a multi-year investment option (Vinatieri got one longer-term deal, and that's it right?)
 

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Not clear what bringing in competition last preseason would have accomplished.  They thought Ghost was worth his contract, and he's the best in the league.
Sure, but if they're comfortable with paying Ghost $3.5 MM - $4 MM a year, it seems to me they would have worked something out already for the next couple seasons.
 
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They know that the reality of the K market is there's always FAs who are 90-95% of the incumbent available.  No reason to bring in competition the year before you might make a change at kicker---though I'd agree with you if it were almost any other position...better to optimize performance from it during a 'go for it now' year and then decide how to proceed.
Taking your 90-95% figure at face value (and that's really hard to do in a competitive environment where relative value is more important than absolute value), it makes more sense to me to see if you have a 90-95% option in a year where you have an alternative (keeping Gostkowski under the terms of his contract). Probably another camp body loses the competition (as Robbie Gould did in 2005 when NE faced the same situation with Vinatieri) and you end up doing what they did anyway, but what if there's a guy that's 95-97% instead of 90% and you can save $3 MM? That seems like a better alternative than to let Gostkowski walk and then run the risk that you end up with an 85-87% guy to start 2015 and lose a couple games while you cycle through options (like Detroit did this year).
 
To some extent you're going to face this sort of situation somewhere on your roster, but it's virtually free to bring in UDFAs at kicker as opposed to some of the other positions. Maybe they didn't like any of the rookies, or maybe the ones they did like decided to sign elsewhere.
 
PedroKsBambino said:
 I think they have tended to view K/P more as a year to year thing than a multi-year investment option (Vinatieri got one longer-term deal, and that's it right?)
Gostkowski just finished out a long-term deal himself, so I don't think they're averse to long-term deals for kickers. Maybe they see something of an aging curve there, but it's hard to extrapolate based on a sample size of one-and-a-half.
 

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Sox and Rocks said:
His question is who is better in the AFC (not in the NFL).  
 
I simply wish to point out that it is an absurd question to ask at this point, before free agency, the draft, training camp, the season and injuries, etc. 
 
Not even looking ahead to 2015.  I mean... the Patriots went down by 14 points twice to a team in this year's AFC playoffs.  
 
And yes, over the next few months what, 10-30% of most teams rosters change?  Even now, is it a stretch of the imagination to think one of the Broncos/Ravens/Steelers/Chargers/etc. could pose a serious challenge to the Patriots in the 2015 playoffs?
 
The Patriots will be favorites, obviously, there's a reason only 2 teams in the last 25 years have repeated as Super Bowl champions.
 

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This is all very logical, but the idea of having a rookie kicker on a playoff run makes me think back on BB declining the long field goal against the Giants in the 07 Super Bowl. Do we really want to spend potentially the last year or two of the Brady era with an unproven kicker?
 

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Denver said the same thing last year at this time, and rightfully so.  After all, they had just beat New England soundly in the AFC Championship game and then proceeded to add Demarcus Ware, Aqib Talib, Emanuel Sanders, and TJ Ward. 
 
Well they did seem to be the best team in the AFC until Manning probably got hurt. 
 
Something I've been thinking about since the Superbowl is that the Patriots seem to have had their healthiest season in recent memory. Which starters/important backups missed significant time due to injury? They lost Mayo week 6, and Jones missed six games. Who am I forgetting?
 
edit: Dobson, if you consider him an important backup.
 
edit2: as thehitcat points out below, Ridley as well.
 

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Marciano490 said:
This is all very logical, but the idea of having a rookie kicker on a playoff run makes me think back on BB declining the long field goal against the Giants in the 07 Super Bowl. Do we really want to spend potentially the last year or two of the Brady era with an unproven kicker?
Ideally you wouldn't break in a rookie center in a championship year, or have a rookie cornerback targeted on the biggest play of the Super Bowl. Ideally you wouldn't need to rely on unproven players anywhere, but realistically you don't have unlimited resources, so you have to take risks at some positions so you can solidify others.
 

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dbn said:
 
Well they did seem to be the best team in the AFC until Manning probably got hurt. 
 
Something I've been thinking about since the Superbowl is that the Patriots seem to have had their healthiest season in recent memory. Which starters/important backups missed significant time due to injury? They lost Mayo week 6, and Jones missed six games. Who am I forgetting?
 
edit: Dobson, if you consider him an important backup.
We lost Ridley early when he was our starter. 
 

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Well, at least 6.5 is guaranteed, all of it if he can't pass a physical. There isn't all that much the Pats can do in terms of lowering his hit by all that much.
They could lower Mayo hit easily, even if he doesn't have to take a pay cut.
 
His salary is 6.25M, 4.5M guaranteed for injury only. As an example, if they want to keep him around at his current salary, they could convert 4.5M of his salary into a signing bonus and his cap hit would drop from almost 10.3M to almost  7.3M. That's without him taking one dime less, which I expect he will. Probably similar to Vince last year. Cut his base salary way down but give him the chance to earn it back with bonuses for being active every week.
 
On Browners cap hit mentioned earlier in the thread. Can change his easily too. Just cange his roster bonus to a signing bonus. Browner gets the exact same money, paid exactly at the same time, and his cap hit drops from 5.5M to 3.7M. I expect this is exactly what will happen unless they sign him to an extension, which would likely give him an even lower cap number.
 

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Denver was also a soft team last year as well. No matter how banged up Seattle was shouldn't be an excuse.
 

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Outside of the obvious re-signings, my big hope of this offseason is that Charles Clay somehow manages to get away from Miami and fly under the radar to the extent that the Patiots can afford him. It seems unrealistic, but a man can dream.
 

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Henry Melton's option is not picked up by the Cowboys. I thought he did a decent job coming off injury especially later in the season. 
 
Thoughts on him fitting in as a rotational DT? Certainly not the player he was with the Bears, but could be an intriguing option as a 1-year "buy-low" type player. 
 

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SeoulSoxFan said:
Henry Melton's option is not picked up by the Cowboys. I thought he did a decent job coming off injury especially later in the season. 
 
Thoughts on him fitting in as a rotational DT? Certainly not the player he was with the Bears, but could be an intriguing option as a 1-year "buy-low" type player. 
 
I like him a lot in that role. Could give the Pats some inside pass rush they've sorely lacked. 
 

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We cant be shopping for nice Artisan Bread (Melton)  until we pay for the Steaks and Lobster  (Revis and Mccourty).
 

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j44thor said:
Surprised to see no mention of this USA article that indicates Pats among 10 teams that have to increase their cash spending this offseason per the CBA.
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2015/02/17/salary-cap-cash-spending-union-nflpa-raiders-patriots/23522207/
 
This should be a good thing for the Revis and McCourty situation since they will require hefty signing bonuses.
I don't understand. The Patriots haven't exactly been $25-35M under the cap at any point which is approx.what they would have to average to only be at 83% of the cap. And how did the packers spend over 110%? Why are they using the word cash like it has a different meaning than salary or bonus or something? So confused.