Doesn't this go back to the 90s Broncos* and deferred payments but also making sure teams aren't messing with NLTBE or LTBE to meet the cap floor and not actually,paying it out in real dollars to players?amarshal2 said:
The Championship Outlook: 2015 and beyond
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Wasn't that extension signed in 2013?Stitch01 said:
The big extensions for Mankins, Gronkowski, Hernandez, Mayo, and Wilfork were all pre-2013, so the bonuses from those deals wouldn't count in these cash calculations. It seems like it will be pretty easy to get over on the other side with extensions for guys like Revis, McCourty, Hightower, and Chandler Jones.
I'm not sure. They're basically policing how the contracts will be structured this year. Considering their 83% rate over a three year period and existing dead money, the Pats will have to spend well more than 100% of the cap in cash this year which means lots of signing bonuses (or one big one). If they tag McCourty and extend Revis on one of his high AAV low guarantee contracts similar to the one he had with NYJ/TB, then they're in a situation where they have to go find other guys to give signing bonuses to in order to comply.Super Nomario said:
Sorry, actually doing the math they will have to spend about 100% of the cap to get to 89% not counting for size of salary cap and dead money. They will definitely have to find guys to give signing bonuses to but this shouldn't be that hard.amarshal2 said:
Yeah, the period runs through 2016, so in addition to Revis and McCourty there's Solder, Hightower, and Chandler Jones. And they can always throw some money Brady's way and extend him out another couple years.amarshal2 said:
I think a budget re-signing of Casillas makes a lot of sense. From Week 9 when he joined the team Casillas led the Patriots in special teams snaps, and he has significant experience on both defense and special teams. He's not stout enough to be a full-time linebacker, but he can provide useful depth and big-time special teams value and figures to cost less than retaining Mayo or even re-signing Ayers.
Completely agreed. Seemed like he picked up the system incredibly quickly and was valuable depth for the rest of the season. Can't imagine the market for his services will be fierce, either.Super Nomario said:
Thanks, Carolina! F U, NFL! Sorry the other 31 teams aren't committed enough to winning to step on a few toes.
BannedbyNYYFans.com said:
In fact among the 2014 class, Gaffney finished 9th in the 40, 2nd in 3-cone, 10th in vert, 7th in 20-yard shuttle, 1st in 60-yard shuttle. That's not a big difference. The dude had a really good Combine (which of course isn't to say that he's a good football player or that he's going to have his athleticism post-injury).theapportioner said:
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I just looked around, and searched the forum, and I couldn't find any threads talking about Tyler Gaffney. Did we just not discuss that move? I had to google it to figure out what you guys were talking about.
Yes, Gaffney's story flew under the radar.
http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?storyId=11277873&city=boston&src=desktop
To put the story here for reference: essentially the Patriots claimed him off waivers in training camp and stashed him on IR after the Panthers tried to sneak him through waivers and then IR him instead of keeping him on the 90-man roster so they could add another camp body. (Gaffney was their 6th round pick and tore his lateral meniscus in his left knee on the first play of a "Fan Fest")
It was another infringement of the silly "unwritten rules" of the NFL, and the Panthers seemed pretty upset (like the Giants when BB did the same thing with Jake Ballard in 2012).
http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?storyId=11277873&city=boston&src=desktop
To put the story here for reference: essentially the Patriots claimed him off waivers in training camp and stashed him on IR after the Panthers tried to sneak him through waivers and then IR him instead of keeping him on the 90-man roster so they could add another camp body. (Gaffney was their 6th round pick and tore his lateral meniscus in his left knee on the first play of a "Fan Fest")
It was another infringement of the silly "unwritten rules" of the NFL, and the Panthers seemed pretty upset (like the Giants when BB did the same thing with Jake Ballard in 2012).
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So basically, we were willing to commit a 90-man training camp roster spot to him, even though he was injured, but the Panthers weren't? Because he obviously ended up on IR either way. But if so, then that's very different from how, say, MLB works its disabled-list system, where anyone added to the DL doesn't occupy a roster spot until re-activated. Strange that the Panthers would have to commit a spot to him despite him needing to go on IR.
There was Gaffney discussion here, along with some video: http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/84469-2014-training-camp-thread/?p=5556468
When the offseason rosters are at 90, players have to clear waivers before being put on IR. My educated guess is that this is to keep teams from hoarding players and redshirting them with minor injuries.MentalDisabldLst said:
Once they got him, why didn't the Patriots have to put him on waivers before putting him in IR, too? Is this a loophole in the rules?
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It was the timing of it. The Panthers wanted to put him on IR early in the camp (when rosters were at 90), which would require passing through waivers. The Patriots were willing to burn a spot on the training camp 90, and wait until closer to the final cutdowns to IR him, which did not require waivers.
Reading through DrewDawg's refresher brought this up...awesome:
https://twitter.com/PatriotsHaven/status/494145983614164993
MentalDisabldLst said:
Broken clocks, etc.
I must have a better prediction % than Cafardo though.
Hey this one was pretty good too:
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/84469-2014-training-camp-thread/?p=5588236
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/84469-2014-training-camp-thread/?p=5588236
The only thing better, Tims, would have been if you had thrown Butler in there. But nice work.
Now can please predict that the Pats will re-sign Revis?
Now can please predict that the Pats will re-sign Revis?
TheoShmeo said:
Before the playoffs started I wrote something along the lines of I would trade Revis leaving in free agency for a title. I quickly edited / erased the post. But I posted it. Awful judgment.
You've been warned.
I in fact did go six to midnight on a lot of Sundays.
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/84469-2014-training-camp-thread/?p=5594410
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/84469-2014-training-camp-thread/?p=5594410
RedOctober3829 said:
Unfortunately that training camp sequence, along with the pick in the Minnesota game, were pretty much the only standout moments for Easley this year. Maybe next year.
Devin McCourty said today he'd be fine if he wound up getting stuck with the franchise tag.
http://www.csnne.com/blog/patriots-talk/mccourty-franchise-tag-worst-case-not-so-bad
So here's my dumb question -- could the Pats then offer McCourty a fully-guaranteed one-year $9MM deal for 2015 with the understanding he'd agree to take it, and save the franchise tag in case they need it for somebody else (say, Gostkowski)?
Takes some trust, I guess, but would that be permissible?
http://www.csnne.com/blog/patriots-talk/mccourty-franchise-tag-worst-case-not-so-bad
So here's my dumb question -- could the Pats then offer McCourty a fully-guaranteed one-year $9MM deal for 2015 with the understanding he'd agree to take it, and save the franchise tag in case they need it for somebody else (say, Gostkowski)?
Takes some trust, I guess, but would that be permissible?
Mugsys Jock said:
I would say he wouldn't take it, because that would A) not prevent them from using the FT next year; and B) it would reduce his fellow players' leverage in negotiations.
Whether it's technically permitted is moot, but I don't see why not.
Why on earth would he do that? If they gave him a couple extra million on top then maybe but outside of screwing himself or his teammate who would get tagged what's the motivation? Love the hoodie?Mugsys Jock said:
Sure, the Pats could offer it and he could take it, but why on earth would he? If the Pats franchise him, he doesn't have a choice in the matter and he appears to be taking the high road. If they don't franchise him, he's going to take the most guaranteed money he can get his hands on. He'd be signing a 1 yr, $9MM deal to bypass what, $20-25MM guaranteed in free agency? No way. The injury risk alone makes that an easy decision.Mugsys Jock said: