Super Bowl LV: Game Thread – Kansas City Chiefs @ Tompa Bay Bucs

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What Brady has done is far more impressive. Playing QB is a ton harder than SG.
I mean I agree with what Brady has done is more impressive, but not the second part.

Brady is only able to compete now because playing QB doesn't require you to maintain your physical gifts to directly compete each play.

The key for Brady is a clean pocket...give him time and he will kill you probably for the next few years.
 

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Evans and Godwin combined for 3 catches, 40 yards.
Evans does deserve a lot of credit on the final drive of the half for TB, he beat his man twice and drew two huge DPI calls that set up the touchdown.
 

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I came into this game hoping that I wouldn't feel sorry for Tom by the fourth quarter.

By the fourth quarter, watching him Fran Tarkenton around out there, I felt sorry for Patrick Mahomes.

Brady literally changed my paradigm.
 

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I mean I agree with what Brady has done is more impressive, but not the second part.

Brady is only able to compete now because playing QB doesn't require you to maintain your physical gifts to directly compete each play.

The key for Brady is a clean pocket...give him time and he will kill you probably for the next few years.
You can say that but look what happened to Peyton Manning. Or a number of other QBs. At some point, whatever physical gifts you need to compete as an NFL QB leave you.
 

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You can say that but look what happened to Peyton Manning. Or a number of other QBs. At some point, whatever physical gifts you need to compete as an NFL QB leave you.
100% but the statement was playing QB is harder than playing SG...Playing QB you can hide the deterioration of your gifts a bit...playing SG you really can't.
 

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A huge part of that is Brady, and the scene of Brady ordering substitutes back to the sideline at the end of the first half because he knew he had the matchup with Brown that he could get an easy TD with is a classic.
Thank you for this post just for this, I thought Tom was complaining about a timeout situation or forgot he had a timeout left (Romo was going on about spiking it??), but this makes more sense.
 

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100% but the statement was playing QB is harder than playing SG...Playing QB you can hide the deterioration of your gifts a bit...playing SG you really can't.
I think QB is the most important position in the 4 major sports. No one else has as much influence on their particular game as a QB. So you can, as a SG, take plays off, you can sit out minutes while your team is still out running offensive sets. It’s hard to take drives off as a QB but SGs do it routinely.
 

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The GOAT discussion will shift to overall sports GOAT. I think it’s safe to say Brady has eclipsed Jordan, Gretzky, Ruth, et al....the GOAT of sports.
Phelps has a say here.

Ruth is difficult because he hit 714 homers... and also won 94 games with an ERA+ of 122. When guys played matters and all, but that's still kind of insane. It's like if Brady also played cornerback and had 15 INTs or something.

I think Brady is the guy, but Ruth's case is insanely good.
 

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Brady/Leftwich/Arians smarter than Reid/Bienemy. Hey Andy, maybe you need to help your backup tackles?

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So I was thinking. Why didn't the Chiefs do more 6OL or 12 personnel or more max protect sets? The problem was they didn't have the horses to do it. They also needed to be in 11 because they had to pass a lot because they were behind. So basically once they got behind they couldn't do much to help their OL. CEH is awful in pass pro. Kelce isn't good in pass pro even chipping. They didn't have anyone who could help slow down TB's pass rushers. And you can't do 6OL sets when you only basically have 4 OL playing 5 spots.

Once the Chiefs went down they couldn't make adjustments because they didn't have the people or the players with those sets of skills to make the adjustments you'd want to make.
 

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Kelce isn't good in pass pro even chipping..
I thought Kelce was the GOAT TE? can't even pass pro? boo hoo!

sorry, but Gronk >>> Kelce is a nice storyline out of this one.

As far as Reid not adjusting well in-game tonight... you have to wonder how his son's situation played into the final prep this weekend.

what will be forgotten KC should have still scored 2 TDs... one went off of Hill's facemask in the 1st quarter that cost 4 points in a 0-0 game, one went off of Robinson's facemask in the 4th (albeit in almost garbage time). If they get those TDs, it's a closer game and maybe Mahomes has one more amazing drive. Really between getting a ref crew not tolerating their handsy defense, an offsides penalty adding 4 points for the Bucs, this was like a bottom 5% (3%) percentile from such a talented KC team... 9(!) points and losing by 22. And of course it comes in a Super Bowl, because football.

Ultimately I think the Tampa DL mismatch was just that extreme (see AFCCG, 2015) and little else matters.
 
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So I was thinking. Why didn't the Chiefs do more 6OL or 12 personnel or more max protect sets? The problem was they didn't have the horses to do it. They also needed to be in 11 because they had to pass a lot because they were behind. So basically once they got behind they couldn't do much to help their OL. CEH is awful in pass pro. Kelce isn't good in pass pro even chipping. They didn't have anyone who could help slow down TB's pass rushers. And you can't do 6OL sets when you only basically have 4 OL playing 5 spots.

Once the Chiefs went down they couldn't make adjustments because they didn't have the people or the players with those sets of skills to make the adjustments you'd want to make.
This is a game that should end any conversation about Kelce being in Gronks league. The guy is a WR, if he was a real TE he would have stayed in to block to help with the protections.
 

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Brady/Leftwich/Arians smarter than Reid/Bienemy. Hey Andy, maybe you need to help your backup tackles?

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I came here to post my response to this above - but basically I don't think they had the guys to help slow down the pass rush because they didn't have enough NFL caliber guys on the OL including their 6th OL and KC's RBs and TE/Kelce isn't a good pass blocker even with chipping - it's just not their skill-set. Usually Mahomes can scramble but you can't scramble on every snap... and it's hard to scramble when 4/4 rushers win their reps!
 

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I thought Kelce was the GOAT TE? can't even pass pro? boo hoo!

sorry, but Gronk >>> Kelce is a nice storyline out of this one.
This is a game that should end any conversation about Kelce being in Gronks league. The guy is a WR, if he was a real TE he would have stayed in to block to help with the protections.
1) y'all are preaching to the choir
2) I still think Kelce and his big WR types are game-changers BUT they aren't as big of game changers as a complete unicorn like Gronk.
3) If they don't go QB and Pitts is there at 15 they better take Pitts even though he is not a blocker TE - I value him as a WR btw. That's a draft side note.
 

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1) y'all are preaching to the choir
2) I still think Kelce and his big WR types are game-changers BUT they aren't as big of game changers as a complete unicorn like Gronk.
3) If they don't go QB and Pitts is there at 15 they better take Pitts even though he is not a blocker TE - I value him as a WR btw. That's a draft side note.
Do you take Pitts over Devonta if both are available?
 

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Do you take Pitts over Devonta if both are available?
Every. Single. Time. DeVonta's build and athletic traits limit his ceiling in the NFL. Guy played at like 165-170 pounds, 175 tops at 6'1"... doesn't even weigh-in at the senior bowl. He will still be a top 20 guy on my board for all the little that matters but Pitts is a blue-chip caliber guy and top 5-6-7 easy. My report on Pitts.

Quick edit: Waddle > Smith as well.
 

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I mean Brady stands in the pocket and nothing else, a weird comparison to make.

Switch O-Lines tonight and do you make the same statement?
No. KC's OL was the primary reason for their loss. Brady would have faired no better. That was too much pressure coming from all the gaps and it was too consistent. Mahomes even made ridiculous throws under duress and his team found multiple ways to waste his efforts. He was Superman and his team let him down. He took an absolute beating and gave it his all. Some of his throws before he hit the turf while in midair were... I don't know how to describe them other than Mahomes might be our first contact with an alien species.
 

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No. KC's OL was the primary reason for their loss. Brady would have faired no better. That was too much pressure coming from all the gaps and it was too consistent. Mahomes even made ridiculous throws under duress and his team found multiple ways to waste his efforts. He was Superman and his team let him down. He took an absolute beating and gave it his all. Some of his throws before he hit the turf while in midair were... I don't know how to describe them other than Mahomes might be our first contact with an alien species.
I've seen your work on this and other sites, and respect you immensely. But I feel if Brady had KC's o-line tonight, he would have thrown 30 check downs/hot reads and lost by merely a touchdown. We've seen it before. In The Game That Shall Not Be Mentioned. Or the 2015 AFC Championship Brian Stork Head Bob Game. Don't tell me any QB was under more pressure than Brady was in those two. And he kept it close, without the scrambling ability of Mahomes, who got swallowed up tonight.

My other point: Over the course of a 19 game season, the young buck, the next anointed GOAT, wore down physically. Generational talent? Yes. Only turf toe? I get it. But I saw a struggling athlete at the end of that game, while Tom looked like he could go another four quarters. The optics of it - one 43 year old man looking bored on the sideline, while his 25 year old counterpart looks like he needs a walker - were striking.

I mean Brady stands in the pocket and nothing else
He does so much more than that. His pocket mobility is still top third in the league, and if you're mad at him for not running around like a maniac and slinging circus throws, it's because he's done enough work before the snap that he doesn't have to.

I'm in awe of what this dude is doing.
 

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No. KC's OL was the primary reason for their loss. Brady would have faired no better. That was too much pressure coming from all the gaps and it was too consistent. Mahomes even made ridiculous throws under duress and his team found multiple ways to waste his efforts. He was Superman and his team let him down. He took an absolute beating and gave it his all. Some of his throws before he hit the turf while in midair were... I don't know how to describe them other than Mahomes might be our first contact with an alien species.
This seems way too hyperbolic. He had like 100 yards and was 0-for on third down when the game was even halfway in doubt. I mean, the OL was trash and Mahomes was far from KC's biggest problem, but that wasn't an impressive performance in my view, no matter how many horizontal incompletions he threw.
 

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Hyperbolic? 29 pressures. Most of all time in super bowl history. 29/49 means he was under pressure 59% of the time. That’s appalling.

He kept a ton of plays alive. He had a bunch of drops and passes off hands.

Brady put up 14 points against the Giants in 2007. 17 in 2011. The Broncos limited him to under 20 in 2015. He didn’t check down his way to 30+ points. Mahomes put up 9. Ok so maybe Brady puts up 15 points. In no universe does Brady put up 32. Y’all are not realizing that this was one of the worst offensive line performances and I am not being hyperbolic. No way Brady could have put up more than 20 points with that kind of pressure and against this defense (top to bottom this is a very good defense).

Edit: I would say Mahomes had a bad day but an impressive performance. You can’t perform well when everyone around you is crumbling. And another thing: how many sacks does any other QB take on 29 pressures? Mahomes took 3. And the vast majority of these the pressure was there right away.
 

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Late in the game this definitely reminded me of the 2015 AFC title championship. Brady was unreal in defeat that day, but he had Gronk at the height of his powers (8 catches for 144 yards). Mahomes had no such help. Either his receivers weren't getting open, or the ball was literally bouncing off of their faces. Mahomes made the same bad scrambling decisions that many mobile QBs do (holding the ball and running backwards instead of stepping up into the pocket and getting rid of the ball quickly when edge rushers get pressure), but man, his receivers were useless. Everybody will talk forever about the Bucs' weapons, but the two best receivers on the field play for KC. It may be damning with faint praise, but Mahomes was by far KC's best offensive player today. Kelce's numbers look fine (10 catches for 133 yards) but more than half of that came in the 4th quarter when the game was essentially over. Ditto Hill, who was sitting on 2 catches for 13 yards until the closing seconds of the third quarter.
 
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One last note: we on this board have rightfully poopooed the notion that the secret blueprint to beating Brady is to get consistent pressure, interior preferred, with 4 guys while dropping 7 back in coverage and doubling his two best receiving options. We poopooed it because that’s the way to beat any QB. If you can take away his two best options while getting consistent pressure with just 4 any QB will have a bad day in the office. That’s what happened tonight to Mahomes. He got Brady blueprinted. They got pressure with 4 from the edges and the interior... they dropped back 7 and doubled Hill. The only thing they didn’t quite get right was I don’t think they doubled Kelce much but I’m about to crash and will rewatch this on game pass to see.

Edit: the core of the Brady blueprint is getting pressure with 4 and using your secondary in the best way possible to slow him down whether it was to have a DB take Gronk, flooding the middle against Welker and doubling/bracketing Moss, using a corner against White, etc. so in that sense they did bullshit Brady blueprint Mahomes and bonus points for JPP being one of the guys to do it to him while Brady himself benefited.
 
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I know @E5 Yaz and @Cellar-Door will probably be nodding and agreeing here but this has to be said: Todd Bowles is a good DC and he deserves a second shot as a head coach. I am not sure how the hall of fame works but if it has a small section for each super bowl this defensive game-plan needs to be in there. Yes KC had a dog shit OL but holding Mahomes to under 100 yards until late in the game and limiting this offense to 9 points is just brilliant. The execution of course was also impeccable. TB was a top defensive unit this year but this was perhaps their best performance. Anyone else finding it hard to sleep from the game excitement?
 

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I know @E5 Yaz and @Cellar-Door will probably be nodding and agreeing here but this has to be said: Todd Bowles is a good DC and he deserves a second shot as a head coach. I am not sure how the hall of fame works but if it has a small section for each super bowl this defensive game-plan needs to be in there. Yes KC had a dog shit OL but holding Mahomes to under 100 yards until late in the game and limiting this offense to 9 points is just brilliant. The execution of course was also impeccable. TB was a top defensive unit this year but this was perhaps their best performance. Anyone else finding it hard to sleep from the game excitement?
It was a virtuoso performance on both sides of the ball from Tampa. Bowles used what the pats did to Mahomes in the 2018 AFCCG except the Pats didn’t have the horses up front to get after Mahomes like he did. JPP and Barrett were absolutely awesome. Bowles was aggressive blitzing when he needed to, but rushing with 4 worked so well he didn’t need to send extra guys that much. But when he did, it hit.

Offensively, once they got their running game going everything flowed. They had KC on their heels.
 

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Hyperbolic? 29 pressures. Most of all time in super bowl history. 29/49 means he was under pressure 59% of the time. That’s appalling.

He kept a ton of plays alive. He had a bunch of drops and passes off hands.

Brady put up 14 points against the Giants in 2007. 17 in 2011. The Broncos limited him to under 20 in 2015. He didn’t check down his way to 30+ points. Mahomes put up 9. Ok so maybe Brady puts up 15 points. In no universe does Brady put up 32. Y’all are not realizing that this was one of the worst offensive line performances and I am not being hyperbolic. No way Brady could have put up more than 20 points with that kind of pressure and against this defense (top to bottom this is a very good defense).

Edit: I would say Mahomes had a bad day but an impressive performance. You can’t perform well when everyone around you is crumbling. And another thing: how many sacks does any other QB take on 29 pressures? Mahomes took 3. And the vast majority of these the pressure was there right away.
Yes, hyperbolic. He played poorly. Circumstances explain why he played poorly, but he did. He also contributed to some of those pressures, he just doesn't ever step up against an edge rush and it cost him.

Who is saying Brady would have put up more points? It's just that if he had the exact game Mahomes had yesterday nobody would be talking about how amazing he looked throwing incompletions. It wasn't a heroic performance, he got ran. It happens to everybody, let's just call it what it was. The kid battled, but that was a bad game.
 

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Late in the game this definitely reminded me of the 2015 AFC title championship. Brady was unreal in defeat that day, but he had Gronk at the height of his powers (8 catches for 144 yards). Mahomes had no such help. Either his receivers weren't getting open, or the ball was literally bouncing off of their faces. Mahomes made the same bad scrambling decisions that many mobile QBs do (holding the ball and running backwards instead of stepping up into the pocket and getting rid of the ball quickly when edge rushers get pressure), but man, his receivers were useless. Everybody will talk forever about the Bucs' weapons, but the two best receivers on the field play for KC. It may be damning with faint praise, but Mahomes was by far KC's best offensive player today. Kelce's numbers look fine (10 catches for 133 yards) but more than half of that came in the 4th quarter when the game was essentially over. Ditto Hill, who was sitting on 2 catches for 13 yards until the closing seconds of the third quarter.
I thought of this game as well. Brady was under siege that game, got absolutely pounded, and still managed to get 18 points. Obviously that wouldn't have been enough to win this game either. But to your point about KC's receivers disappearing... Kelce had 10 receptions for 133 yards (very similar numbers to Gronk), though he had a couple of drops that could have been pretty impactful, so even this wasn't a great game by him. But still...he put up a stat line very similar to Gronk's in that game.

The key was that Tyreek Hill did NOTHING last night. 7 receptions for 73 yards, and none of them mattered.

By the way...Mahomes with 49 pass attempts last night. I posted this in the Tompa thread on Jan 27:

Aaron Rodgers has thrown 45 + passes in 3 playoff games. He's 0-3 in those games.
Peyton Manning has thrown 45+ passes in 6 playoff games. He's 1-5 in those games.
Joe Montana has thrown 45+ passes in 2 playoff games. He's 0-2 in those games.
Russell Wilson has thrown 45+ passes in 1 playoff game. He's 0-1 in that game.
Drew Brees has thrown 45+ passes in 3 playoff games. He's 0-3 in those games.
Dan Fouts has thrown 45+ passes in 3 playoff games. He's 1-2 in those games.
John Elway has thrown 45+ passes in 1 playoff game. He's 0-1 in that game.
Dan Marino has thrown 45+ passes in 6 playoff games. He's 1-5 in those games.
Jim Kelly has thrown 45+ passes in 3 playoff games. He's 0-3 in those games.
Steve Young has thrown 45+ passes in 2 playoff games. He's 0-2 in those games.

These 10 HOF (or eventual HOF) QBs have thrown 45+ passes in 30 playoff games. They're a combined 3-27 (.100) in those games.
Tom Brady has thrown 45+ passes in 12 playoff games. He's 7-5 (.583) in those games.


Mahomes had 49 passes and lost (first time in his career he's thrown 45+ passes in a playoff game). He's 0-1 in those games. That bumps those numbers to 3-28 (0.097) in those 31 games. Compare that to Brady's 7-5 (.583) in such games. Incredible.
 

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My other point: Over the course of a 19 game season, the young buck, the next anointed GOAT, wore down physically. Generational talent? Yes. Only turf toe? I get it. But I saw a struggling athlete at the end of that game, while Tom looked like he could go another four quarters. The optics of it - one 43 year old man looking bored on the sideline, while his 25 year old counterpart looks like he needs a walker - were striking.
One guy being better doesn't have to diminish the other, and for me and most of us here our TB hagiography and witness to his long career shows bias. But I wonder if TB had a concussion 21 days ago and a toe injury that likely requires surgery if he'd be a world beater with a KC OL that let four guys past them to destroy their QB during every pass play in the 2nd half.

I don't think being injured or not being injured is a moral choice either of those guys were willingly making, so it's weird to dunk on Mahomes for looking gimpier out there than a guy who was fortunate enough to not be hurt.
 

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Phelps has a say here.

Ruth is difficult because he hit 714 homers... and also won 94 games with an ERA+ of 122. When guys played matters and all, but that's still kind of insane. It's like if Brady also played cornerback and had 15 INTs or something.

I think Brady is the guy, but Ruth's case is insanely good.
As does Serena Williams. Said in the context of the 4 major team sports.
 

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Brady's last two Super Bowls.... his defenses faced two of the best offenses in the league (Rams in 2018 were a wagon, and Chiefs in 2020 are obviously awesome) and they held them to 12 points total.

That's pretty amazing.
 

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Hot take incoming; but if the situation with Reid’s son goes badly and the 5 year old girl dies (praying not), I think he steps down and Bienemy takes over.
 

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I thought Kelce was the GOAT TE? can't even pass pro? boo hoo!

sorry, but Gronk >>> Kelce is a nice storyline out of this one.

As far as Reid not adjusting well in-game tonight... you have to wonder how his son's situation played into the final prep this weekend.

what will be forgotten KC should have still scored 2 TDs... one went off of Hill's facemask in the 1st quarter that cost 4 points in a 0-0 game, one went off of Robinson's facemask in the 4th (albeit in almost garbage time). If they get those TDs, it's a closer game and maybe Mahomes has one more amazing drive. Really between getting a ref crew not tolerating their handsy defense, an offsides penalty adding 4 points for the Bucs, this was like a bottom 5% (3%) percentile from such a talented KC team... 9(!) points and losing by 22. And of course it comes in a Super Bowl, because football.

Ultimately I think the Tampa DL mismatch was just that extreme (see AFCCG, 2015) and little else matters.
The Tampa Bay lineman dropped an even easier catch from Brady that led to a 4th down stop and zero points. That was a huge play too, it just ended up not seeming so because KC couldn’t score.
 

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One last thing thing.

I saw the younger man break down tonight, physically. Did Brady miss one snap this year?
I’m as big of a Brady fan as anyone, but this is ridiculous.

Mahomes came into the game with injuries and had a broken down O-line in front of him. He took any number of heavy shots, because, unlike Brady, he felt compelled to try to make plays. (And came up with several that were unbelievable, only to have receivers drop the ball.) And that’s not a criticism of Brady, it’s just a function of Mahomes not having adequate protection and using his mobility.

The implication that this is somehow a reflection of Brady’s superior conditioning or some other intangible attribute is nonsense.
 

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I’m as big of a Brady fan as anyone, but this is ridiculous.

Mahomes came into the game with injuries and had a broken down O-line in front of him. He took any number of heavy shots, because, unlike Brady, he felt compelled to try to make plays. (And came up with several that were unbelievable, only to have receivers drop the ball.)

The implication that this is somehow a reflection of Brady’s superior conditioning or some other intangible attribute is nonsense.
This is completely silly. Brady made plays in pretty much every game he was under siege in the playoffs in his career. The implication that he just laid down and took sacks when the rush got to him is crazy. Running around like a chicken with its head cut off before heaving the ball 40 yards downfield isn't the only definition of "playmaking".
 

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Hot take incoming; but if the situation with Reid’s son goes badly and the 5 year old girl dies (praying not), I think he steps down and Bienemy takes over.
I honestly don’t know how Reid was even able to stand out there and coach last night with what is going on in his (and his son’s) life.

That not a judgement. Just the sad reality.
 

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The Tampa Bay lineman dropped an even easier catch from Brady that led to a 4th down stop and zero points. That was a huge play too, it just ended up not seeming so because KC couldn’t score.
That wasn't a drop. The ball was punched out of his hands.
 

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This is completely silly. Brady made plays in pretty much every game he was under siege in the playoffs in his career. The implication that he just laid down and took sacks when the rush got to him is crazy. Running around like a chicken with its head cut off before heaving the ball 40 yards downfield isn't the only definition of "playmaking".
Perhaps if you read my subsequent edit you will see that I was not criticizing Brady and was, instead, making a point about the specific situation in last night’s game.

I say that because I went back to make the point that my comments had nothing to do with Brady and were related to last nights game.

Also, my post must be understood in the context of the post I was refuting and not as some standalone comment.
 

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I was wondering what Winfield's taunting of Hill was all about. Figured it was trash talking during the game. Turns out it goes back to their first meeting of the year.

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The GOAT discussion will shift to overall sports GOAT. I think it’s safe to say Brady has eclipsed Jordan, Gretzky, Ruth, et al....the GOAT of sports.
How about Bill Russell? Does his accomplishments get overlooked or diminished because of the era he played in?
 

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The GOAT discussion will shift to overall sports GOAT. I think it’s safe to say Brady has eclipsed Jordan, Gretzky, Ruth, et al....the GOAT of sports.
It's still Gretzky in my book. His statistical dominance over his peers is just completely absurd. Brady has an argument because he likely will end his career leading every winning and statistical category in both the regular season and playoffs, by throughout his career there were other HOF QBs who put up similar numbers and performed at his level with some consistency. Gretzky lapped the field.
 

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One last thing thing.

I saw the younger man break down tonight, physically. Did Brady miss one snap this year?
What do you mean by missed snaps? Brady got taken out at halftime of the Lions game. I remember Gabbert threw a touchdown on his first pass against the Lions. If you mean injury then yes Brady did not miss a snap. Gabbert also finished up the Green Bay game too.
 

Caspir

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Also, after watching his fiancé last year when they won, I took a lot of pleasure watching the future Mrs. Mahomes and his mother meltdown on Twitter over the terribly no good unfair treatment Mahomes received by the meanies at ESPN for the crime us using a still from the game where he doesn't look happy. This entire run was perfection. "Brees is better," is something I heard a lot from my Saints loving cousin, even though it isn't a real debate. Watching him rip her soul out was nice. Then came the Rodgers fans to tell us how he is the most complete QB ever and if he had BB yada yada. That went poorly for them. Then he gets Mahomes again, and has people legitimately debating whether Mahomes would catch Brady or not because obviously he's the next greatest thing ever. Just when you think Brady has done everything, he finds a new mountain to climb.
 

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I didn't understand the significance of the taunt during the game last night. This image was from earlier in the season when the two teams met:

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