Super Bowl LV: Game Thread – Kansas City Chiefs @ Tompa Bay Bucs

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The Chiefs defense had a very poor game and are lucky the O-Line/Reid were so poor and are taking most of the heat. KC's defense couldn't stop the run, couldn't stop the pass, committed bonehead penalties and failed to pressure Brady. They were a Top 10 defense this year, but got worked in this game. I think Tampa probably could have scored more points in the second half, but they wisely went conservative and tried to eat some clock by avoiding any downfield throws.
 

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I think Tampa probably could have scored more points in the second half, but they wisely went conservative and tried to eat some clock by avoiding any downfield throws.
This didn't get enough credit during and after the game. If they had reverted to the risk it-biscuit philosophy, it might have been much easier for the Chiefs to get a spark going on offense ... though, with the way the TB defense played, perhaps not
 

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Well, sure, because Denver only scored 20 points in that game, so the Pats were still in a position to tie late. Mahomes had no such opportunity. The fourth quarter might have played out very differently if the score was 20-9 instead of 31-9.
That......wasn't my point.
 

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The Chiefs defense had a very poor game and are lucky the O-Line/Reid were so poor and are taking most of the heat. KC's defense couldn't stop the run, couldn't stop the pass, committed bonehead penalties and failed to pressure Brady. They were a Top 10 defense this year, but got worked in this game. I think Tampa probably could have scored more points in the second half, but they wisely went conservative and tried to eat some clock by avoiding any downfield throws.
Brady threw 3 passes in the 4th quarter. I have a feeling if the Bucs needed 40, they could've scored 40.
 

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You can see why Brady wanted AB so badly. That route was like a mirror image to the routes run by Edelman and Amendola. Just a couple of violent cuts. It's funny to see the Bucs lineman nervously following Brady as he's about to dig into Mathieu the second time.
So here's an interesting story I heard in an interview with the Bucs QB coach on the Pat McAffee show. Apparently AB was supposed to run the Edelman play, but messed up and ran it backwards. Brady saw that he broke out first though, so expected the hard break back in and threw it there. It was only a mirror image because AB messed up, but Brady still hit him for the TD.

Edit: Ah, responded to the post and then saw afterwards that the story was already told. Apologies.
 

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That explanation makes sense, as that is an unusual route to run from that split. It runs the risk of the defender undercutting it if the defender is late getting to the fake flat/out motion.

What is interesting is that Mathieu is playing outside leverage there, so reversing the route concept actually isn’t a bad idea even if unconventional.

EDIT - By the way, why is Mathieu covering Brown in man, anyways? He is definitely not their best man coverage DB. I wonder if KC actually wanted that matchup, or they got messed up in their alignment/subs and couldn’t get out of it because they had no TO.
 

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That explanation makes sense, as that is an unusual route to run from that split. It runs the risk of the defender undercutting it if the defender is late getting to the fake flat/out motion.

What is interesting is that Mathieu is playing outside leverage there, so reversing the route concept actually isn’t a bad idea even if unconventional.

EDIT - By the way, why is Mathieu covering Brown in man, anyways? He is definitely not their best man coverage DB. I wonder if KC actually wanted that matchup, or they got messed up in their alignment/subs and couldn’t get out of it because they had no TO.
I'd really like to know what the hell KC was doing there on defense that play. There was 10 seconds remaining, yet, they didn't bring much pressure. Wouldn't you want to force a quick decision knowing that Brady doesn't have much time to operate? Couple other comments:

1. What was #92 doing? He was covering the slot on the right but Fournette slipped out to the left so there was nobody left to guard since I don't think their RT reported as eligible. He ended up guarding nobody. It reminded me of New Orleans' LBs during the Diggs play. Like, what was the point of his assignment given the alignment Tampa used?

2. Despite not blitzing their LBs, both #54 and #52 let Gronk get behind them, a huge no-no in that situation. That easily could have been Gronk TD #3.
 

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The Brown/Mathieu play came right after the moment where it looked like Tampa was going to substitute in a different package, and Tom on the field clearly overruled the decision and screamed "No, no, same!" to the sideline. My guess it that Brady saw some disarray on the play and knew he had a sure TD with Brown. Remember, that was right after Mathieu got flagged for DPI and was losing his shit, it is no surprise he made a mental mistake on the following play.
 

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I'd really like to know what the hell KC was doing there on defense that play. There was 10 seconds remaining, yet, they didn't bring much pressure. Wouldn't you want to force a quick decision knowing that Brady doesn't have much time to operate? Couple other comments:

1. What was #92 doing? He was covering the slot on the right but Fournette slipped out to the left so there was nobody left to guard since I don't think their RT reported as eligible. He ended up guarding nobody. It reminded me of New Orleans' LBs during the Diggs play. Like, what was the point of his assignment given the alignment Tampa used?

2. Despite not blitzing their LBs, both #54 and #52 let Gronk get behind them, a huge no-no in that situation. That easily could have been Gronk TD #3.
Hell, 10 seconds remaining and Tampa had 1st and goal on the 1. Literally just tackle all of the receivers right off the snap, take the penalty and give them the ball either at the 1 or at the half yard line with <5 seconds, and make them choose between going for the TD (likely just getting one chance) or kicking the FG. Maybe there's a reason why teams never do this (like the Patriots at the end of the 1st half of the Seattle super bowl), but I never understood why teams don't commit the penalty on purpose to burn a few seconds and force the offense to only get one legit play and have to choose between the FG and going for the TD.
 

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Hell, 10 seconds remaining and Tampa had 1st and goal on the 1. Literally just tackle all of the receivers right off the snap, take the penalty and give them the ball either at the 1 or at the half yard line with <5 seconds, and make them choose between going for the TD (likely just getting one chance) or kicking the FG. Maybe there's a reason why teams never do this (like the Patriots at the end of the 1st half of the Seattle super bowl), but I never understood why teams don't commit the penalty on purpose to burn a few seconds and force the offense to only get one legit play and have to choose between the FG and going for the TD.
Good point. I don’t really see a downside to that strategy with 10 seconds left.
 

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Good point. I don’t really see a downside to that strategy with 10 seconds left.
If you do it twice they can assess an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and restore the elapsed time, but I don’t think anything in the rules would preclude the Chiefs from bear hugging the receivers on a single play.

I think Tampa could still have run another quick pass, especially if Tom turfs the ball quickly, but who knows? Maybe Tom hesitates for a second or two longer and gets sacked (end of half) or throws it away (the clock could be at 4-5 seconds and make it really risky to run another play).
 

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If you do it twice they can assess an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and restore the elapsed time, but I don’t think anything in the rules would preclude the Chiefs from bear hugging the receivers on a single play.

I think Tampa could still have run another quick pass, especially if Tom turfs the ball quickly, but who knows? Maybe Tom hesitates for a second or two longer and gets sacked (end of half) or throws it away (the clock could be at 4-5 seconds and make it really risky to run another play).
Yup they definitely could but at least you get some intel on what they were doing and burn some time. Kind of ironic that the defense that bear hugs receivers on seemingly every play decided to play soft defense at the 1 with 10 seconds left.
 

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PFF says that was the Chiefs worst offensive line performance at least in the passing game since 2010. As an OL guy and someone who loves offensive line play more than probably any aspect of football I was disheartened by how bad that unit played. Side note: I would have never guessed of all the football aspects that offensive line prospects and play would be my calling.

Hat tip to @Super Nomario when we discussed it yesterday but they went from pre COVID: Fischer - Osemele - Reiter - Dr. Duvernay-Tardif - Schwartz which just FYI is a good OL to Remmers - Allegretti - Reiter - Wisniewski - Wylie.

So backup, backup, center who got benched for poor play in the middle of the year, backup, backup guard playing RT. To be fair Wisniewski was a starter for them last year at LG but he is a year older and a JAG at best. There is a reason PIT cut him and he was available.

Once the Bucs had the lead and they could pin their ears back and just go after Mahomes it was on. They also had a really good pass rushing strategy that would force Mahomes to scramble to his left but then they would loop a pass rusher over that way to nail him. Bowles really had the defensive game of his life even considering the trash KC had at OL. He exploited that dumpster fire perfectly.
 

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I thought it was a terrific defensive play by KC. You don't expect your offensive lineman to hold onto the ball when a defender is playing it like that. You hope to get him wide open. He was pretty open, and Brady put it right where it needed to be, and he caught it, but then the defender made a really nice play. Everyone did their job on that play; the defense just made the best play there. I don't think it "should" have been a TD. "Could" have been, for sure. "Should" have been? If that's Gronk, maybe. Not for an O-lineman though.
I want to rewatch the game, maybe today, but it seemed like the KC defender got about as much of a whack on the ball to knock it out as Vivian Brady might. Just rewatched it and not what I said. The defender pushed Haeg and slapped the ball out at the same time. Gronk, though, with his refrigerator door sized hands probably holds on.
 

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The Super Bowl streaker who claims he won $375,000 off a bet may only have come away with 15 minutes of fame and a trespassing charge for his exploits.

Online sportsbook Bovada, where Yuri Andrade said he and his friends placed numerous wagers, tells Front Office Sports that it’s “voiding” all the streaker prop bets that it has “identified had knowledge” Andrade would attempt to run on the field during Super Bowl LV.

Andrade initially said in interviews that he placed $50,000 worth of bets at +750 odds on the prop that there would be a streaker at the Super Bowl, a claim disputed by betting experts because the prop had a $1,000 limit. In a subsequent interview, Andrade said he contacted several friends to bet on his stunt and they combined to win the $375,000.

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Andrade, who streaked in the fourth quarter and was apprehended near one of the end zones at Raymond James Stadium, was charged with trespassing. He was released on a $500 bond.
If you are going to be a dumbass and commit a crime. Don’t be even more of a dumbass and announce to the public that you BET money ON YOURSELF to commit a crime.
 

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PFF says that was the Chiefs worst offensive line performance at least in the passing game since 2010. As an OL guy and someone who loves offensive line play more than probably any aspect of football I was disheartened by how bad that unit played. Side note: I would have never guessed of all the football aspects that offensive line prospects and play would be my calling.

Hat tip to @Super Nomario when we discussed it yesterday but they went from pre COVID: Fischer - Osemele - Reiter - Dr. Duvernay-Tardif - Schwartz which just FYI is a good OL to Remmers - Allegretti - Reiter - Wisniewski - Wylie.

So backup, backup, center who got benched for poor play in the middle of the year, backup, backup guard playing RT. To be fair Wisniewski was a starter for them last year at LG but he is a year older and a JAG at best. There is a reason PIT cut him and he was available.
I posted about this on Page 1 of this thread, well before the game. This was an obvious problem heading into the Super Bowl, especially against that TB front 7.
 

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I posted about this on Page 1 of this thread, well before the game. This was an obvious problem heading into the Super Bowl, especially against that TB front 7.
And yet KC didn't adjust their protection hardly at all, even with such an obvious weakness. That's damning on Reid and Bienemy. Just a terrible job by them. We'd be skewering Josh and Bill if that was the Pats.
 

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James White. He'd make that offense unstoppable too.
Was talking with my son today about him. They would be fearsome if they got White down there. If Edelman is due $4mill or so, any chance the Pats let him go?

EDIT: Assuming Godwin leaves as a FA. If he stays, no need for another slot.
 
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It's funny, they talk about how at the end of the half in both the Packers and the Chiefs game, the opposing O tried to steal another possession at the end of the half ... only for the Bucs to score a TD before the half, improbably. It occurs to me that the same thing happened in the 2018 AFCCG against the Chiefs! Pats had the ball with 3 minutes left and were slow playing it (four runs in a row) ... then the Chiefs called time out to steal another possession, and Brady started throwing, and wound up completing a long TD to Dorsett with less than 30 seconds left.
 

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It's funny, they talk about how at the end of the half in both the Packers and the Chiefs game, the opposing O tried to steal another possession at the end of the half ... only for the Bucs to score a TD before the half, improbably. It occurs to me that the same thing happened in the 2018 AFCCG against the Chiefs! Pats had the ball with 3 minutes left and were slow playing it (four runs in a row) ... then the Chiefs called time out to steal another possession, and Brady started throwing, and wound up completing a long TD to Dorsett with less than 30 seconds left.
Yeah, it's a Brady special. It's insane to me that teams going up against Brady keep trying to do this.
 

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Yeah, it's a Brady special. It's insane to me that teams going up against Brady keep trying to do this.
Ironically, back in 2014, it was an issue and they kept screwing it up. Gave up a late TD to the Packers, to the Ravens in the divisional, to the Colts in the AFCCG, to the Seahawks in the SB, and I think Brady also threw a pick in the end zone in SD at the end of the half. It was a horror show that kept on repeating.
 

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In this year's NFC championship, shortly before the long completion Brady also threw one right to a Packers DB who alligator-armed it. Could have been a much different narrative if he had held on...
 

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The difference between winning and losing at that level often comes down to things like that. It's one reason why winning multiple Super Bowls is REALLY hard.
 

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With that kinda talk he better have a flesh eating bacteria in there he overcame.
Its just spin. I don't know why Brady doesn't get enough credit for his toughness, but he doesn't. The dude doesn't miss snaps, let alone games. And he's had some pretty crazy injuries in the biggest games of his career. The gash on his throwing hand that should have kept him off the field, the walking boot during...well...during a big game. His shoulder, his knee...people think he just keeps playing, but hes grinded through some shit.
 

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How many times has Brady been given a defense for an injury? Remember 2007 and the walking boot? Remember the broken thumb? Win or lose, no one ever came to his defense that he wasn't 100%.

I've heard about Turf Toe more this post season and post SB more than I ever have in my life.
 

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How many times has Brady been given a defense for an injury? Remember 2007 and the walking boot? Remember the broken thumb? Win or lose, no one ever came to his defense that he wasn't 100%.

I've heard about Turf Toe more this post season and post SB more than I ever have in my life.
Helps that he doesn't bring it up constantly like Roethlisberger and doesn't make a show of limping around between snaps like Mahomes.
 

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Helps that he doesn't bring it up constantly like Roethlisberger and doesn't make a show of limping around between snaps like Mahomes.
True. But still...

I've never heard the media fawn over incompletions more than I did after the SB. If Mahomes threw the 70-yard bomb to Moss that would be the story of the game.