Spurs 23/24: I'm Loving Big Ange Instead

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He may or may not work out, but you have to back your manager.

Yep, I think Ange values speed down the sidelines, even in an possession system. The same stuff Poch used to do with Walker and Rose, Ange wants his wingers to do (and then suddenly the backs are in the box as forwards, as we saw with Porro last PL game).

Johnson is a burner down the wing, that's one trait we know he has. I kinda just want to have a fun Spurs team this year after Jose and Conte, so if it's a ton of speed and youngsters, so be it.
 

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As a fan, I like having a player that is exciting that you can bring off the bench in attack. Lucas was a flawed player, but I always liked the idea of him coming off the bench and using his speed and samba skills to provide a different kind of approach on the attack.
 

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He may or may not work out, but you have to back your manager.
That is the consensus. It will be interesting to see BJ's development under Ange. Can he be used as a 9 from time to time? Can he beat men off the dribble and/or be successful in tight spaces?

Still need a CB (and maybe a 9).

Connor Gallagher if PEH leaves?
 

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I don't think anything else happens today, including PEH. I think he stays.

What will be interesting is who doesn't get registered now. I think there's a chance we have Lloris, Dier and Ndombele just cashing checks and not even registered in the PL this season.
 

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Johnson is a low touch right winger with speed who plays wide and high, doesn't move centrally much, doesn't get on the ball much. He is basically diametrically opposite to Kulusevski in every way.

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But I think Postecoglou might like this kind of player in that role, or at least to have the option of using this kind of player depending on the matchup. If the goal is to widen the spaces between the defenders and open up room for the attacking midfielders to run into, you need wingers who will hug the touchline and also pin the defense back because they're afraid of the ball over the top.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kulusevski ended up in the right-sided attacking midfield slot with Brennan the right wing in a fair number of matches.
 

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Newcastle currently have four goalkeepers. I’m not sure Lloris is better than three of them at this point. What does either party want with this?
 

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I don't know, but Spurs want to offload him and Atletico has been linked for a while.

I just don't think his style fits, but he's.....fine. Betancur will hopefully be in the mid rotation as well. That said, their target (like it or not) was Johnson and they got him without selling or loaning PEH so if he stays I'm okay with it.
Agreed. I think it makes sense for the player to stay in London. He may feel differently in January when Ben10 is hopefully back in the swing, but for the next few months he'll get PT.

He may or may not work out, but you have to back your manager.


I was about to make a Porro joke, but that one looks like it's working out too!
Yep, I think Ange values speed down the sidelines, even in an possession system. The same stuff Poch used to do with Walker and Rose, Ange wants his wingers to do (and then suddenly the backs are in the box as forwards, as we saw with Porro last PL game).

Johnson is a burner down the wing, that's one trait we know he has. I kinda just want to have a fun Spurs team this year after Jose and Conte, so if it's a ton of speed and youngsters, so be it.
Johnson is a low touch right winger with speed who plays wide and high, doesn't move centrally much, doesn't get on the ball much. He is basically diametrically opposite to Kulusevski in every way.

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But I think Postecoglou might like this kind of player in that role, or at least to have the option of using this kind of player depending on the matchup. If the goal is to widen the spaces between the defenders and open up room for the attacking midfielders to run into, you need wingers who will hug the touchline and also pin the defense back because they're afraid of the ball over the top.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kulusevski ended up in the right-sided attacking midfield slot with Brennan the right wing in a fair number of matches.
Yeah, I think this is a spacing and depth move. Perisic and Solomon (but only when he's at RW) like to take the ball down the line and look for a cross. Deki and Son are looking to cut inside for a shot or to combine. BJ is out there to stretch the D horizontally and feed balls into a handful of net crashers.
 

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Big Dav sold to Galatasaray while Tanguy is on a loan with option to buy:

France midfielder Ndombele, 26, joins the Turkish champions on a season-long loan with an option to buy for £12.8m.

Colombia defender Sanchez, 27, has signed a four-year deal with the option of a further season after Galatasaray agreed an £8.1m fee for the player.

Sanchez arrived at Spurs in 2017 for a reported £42m, while Ndombele was a £55m acquisition in 2019.

Both were club-record signings for Tottenham but neither have started a Premier League fixture this term under new boss Ange Postecoglou.

This is Ndombele's third loan spell away from Tottenham, having previously had stints with former club Lyon and Serie A winners Napoli.

Sanchez leaves Tottenham after six years at the club following his move from Ajax in 2017. He made 207 appearances in all competitions, scoring five goals.
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Really happy for Dav, as he deserves a fresh start. £8M is probably half of what he's "worth" but now that's Gala's to establish. Still only 27 with lots of tools. He's got mistakes in him but so do most defenders.

Tanguy continues to trade on his potential. There's no word in the article about how much Spurs are kicking in on his wages, but if he plays like half the player he could be, £13M will be a steal. Then again, we haven't seen THAT guy since Lyon.
 

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Sanchez (sold) and Ndombele (loan) both off to Galatasaray.

So is the backup CB the 18 year old? Seems like it. And I know Ndombele will be back because everywhere he goes, they can't fucking wait to get rid of him.
 

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Sanchez (sold) and Ndombele (loan) both off to Galatasaray.

So is the backup CB the 18 year old? Seems like it. And I know Ndombele will be back because everywhere he goes, they can't fucking wait to get rid of him.
Eric FOOKIN Dier would like to have a word. I don't want to give it to him, but he's like, there. More seriously, yeah Ashley Phillips is your third CB, perhaps Ben Davies if it's VDV who's not available or rested. Dier is the break in case of emergency option as he's just not remotely mobile enough to play CB in a high line.
 

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Eric FOOKIN Dier would like to have a word. I don't want to give it to him, but he's like, there. More seriously, yeah Ashley Phillips is your third CB, perhaps Ben Davies if it's VDV who's not available or rested. Dier is the break in case of emergency option as he's just not remotely mobile enough to play CB in a high line.
I think you see Royal playing CB in a high line before Dier.
 

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The most amazing stat so far: Romero has committed ZERO fouls.
 

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I think you see Royal playing CB in a high line before Dier.
Considering how well Porro is playing, I have to agree that Emerson is probably the Romero suspension insurance.

The defense is so thin. Besides Davies, who backs up the best left back in the EPL until Sess is healthy?
 

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Considering how well Porro is playing, I have to agree that Emerson is probably the Romero suspension insurance.

The defense is so thin. Besides Davies, who backs up the best left back in the EPL until Sess is healthy?
Davies is 2 on the depth chart, and if it goes beyond that I bet Ange flips Porro or Emerson to the left. One thing I love about Ange is that he seems to have the perspective that these are professional footballers and they can do many things on the pitch. I'm not saying he's tactically inept or naive, but rather he seems to have more respect for the base level of skills it takes to play.
 

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So, how did these transfers get completed after the close of the window? I did some reporting that if some preliminary paperwork is filed during the window that transactions can be completed post-window--is that what happened here (with Gala)?
 

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So, how did these transfers get completed after the close of the window? I did some reporting that if some preliminary paperwork is filed during the window that transactions can be completed post-window--is that what happened here (with Gala)?
Turkey's window is open longer, so they can continue to add players.

Smart move as they know many players likely have that league further down their list of destinations but once the major countries close, players are more willing.
 

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Premier League player makes more than Turkish league players...news at 11.

Clubs like Galatasaray basically operate by having a few, very well paid "name players" and then a bunch of other lower-paid players. I bet Mauro Icardi is making a lot more than most of the other attacking players on the team too.
 

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Turkey's window is open longer, so they can continue to add players.

Smart move as they know many players likely have that league further down their list of destinations but once the major countries close, players are more willing.
Interesting, so EPL clubs (and La Liga for that matter) can continue to sell players after the window? I assume then, that the window actually refers to registering players? Like, could Spurs buy a guy from an Argentinian club tomorrow, and register him in January? I know it wouldn't make any sense to buy now and pay his wages, but is that plausible?

Premier League player makes more than Turkish league players...news at 11.

Clubs like Galatasaray basically operate by having a few, very well paid "name players" and then a bunch of other lower-paid players. I bet Mauro Icardi is making a lot more than most of the other attacking players on the team too.
Yeah, this shouldn't be a surprise to the club or the players. Likely just agitating for a pay raise, or perhaps finally saying something that was already a problem before Dav's acquisition.

Icardi may be a headcase and persona non grata...well, everywhere but Istanbul, but he's banging in the goals this season.
 

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Interesting, so EPL clubs (and La Liga for that matter) can continue to sell players after the window? I assume then, that the window actually refers to registering players? Like, could Spurs buy a guy from an Argentinian club tomorrow, and register him in January? I know it wouldn't make any sense to buy now and pay his wages, but is that plausible?
It is the registration period. Spurs can't buy a guy officially until the next window, but they can have a deal agreed to.

From The Athletic:

What is the transfer window?
It is the only period where clubs can buy and sell players between themselves. They may agree to do this outside of a transfer window, but nothing can be actioned and player registrations cannot be submitted until the transfer window.
 

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It is the registration period. Spurs can't buy a guy officially until the next window, but they can have a deal agreed to.

From The Athletic:

What is the transfer window?
It is the only period where clubs can buy and sell players between themselves. They may agree to do this outside of a transfer window, but nothing can be actioned and player registrations cannot be submitted until the transfer window.
Good stuff. So then my question becomes how does a Turkish club (governed by UEFA, I think?) register players outside the window? Or is the window governed by each domestic FA? If that's the case, does UEFA have any oversight or umbrella policies that cover all member nations?
 

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Good stuff. So then my question becomes how does a Turkish club (governed by UEFA, I think?) register players outside the window? Or is the window governed by each domestic FA? If that's the case, does UEFA have any oversight or umbrella policies that cover all member nations?
Turkey is, of course part of UEFA and they are bound by the umbrella rules. But each FA can have different transfer windows. Also - teams can sign free agents at any time.

The Premier League is apparently agitating with EUFA to come up with some kind of agreement with the Saudi League as it’s not governed (nor is likely any time soon) by EUFA’s rules regarding timely payments of transfer fees.

Bottom line at the moment - insist on all the money upfront.
 
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This *kid* is 16 and is 6'4.



Although his imposing physical presence is arguably his best attribute, Vuskovic is also a very good technical player and has the potential to develop into the complete defender. He is particularly adept at playing out from the back, which will stand him in good stead to succeed under the guidance of Ange Postecoglou at Tottenham.

The teenage defender is also positionally strong and often displays a high level of footballing intelligence that defies his young age. It remains to be seen if he will reach his sky-high potential at Spurs, although he will certainly be one to watch if he manages to break into the senior squad over the coming years.
Meet Tottenham's 'imminent' signing Luka Vuskovic - the 16-year-old who stands at 6ft4 | Football | Sport | Express.co.uk
 

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Wow. Spurs best league start in like 50 years.

Anyway, big game next weekend. I can't wait.
 

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What a fookin' comeback! Biss is incredible, happy for Richy, and Deki maybe starting to catch fire?

Huge test next week. Will tell us how they stack up against another top EPL club (i.e., MANC, Spurs, Arse, Pool, and Brighton have been the top tier of EPL this season so far). Things will almost certainly look different after 10 matches, let alone the halfway point at 19, when opponents played becomes less and less relevant.
 

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They've taken care of business against weak teams (of which there seems to be a lot of this year in the EPL) which is something that Spurs have failed to do in recent years. If they can get three points between the next two games, that would be considered a pretty big win in my opinion. Chelsea and United looking dire and Newcastle looking worse than last year clears up the UCL race, at least at this early point in the season.

Against Sheffield, for whatever reason, I didn't feel like the midfield (Maddison, Bissouma and Sarr) were as dominant as they had been in previous games. I'm not sure why specifically that was, but they didn't totally boss the game on both ends which led to fewer goal scoring chances.
 

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What a fookin' comeback! Biss is incredible, happy for Richy, and Deki maybe starting to catch fire?
I think we are a little off kilter when looking at Deki because of that ridiculous half-season when he first came over. He's contributing A LOT.

So far he is:

--3rd in EPL in successful dribbles
--crosses are successful 50% of the time (which leads the EPL)
--leads EPL in accurate pass % in opponent's box
--leads all wingers with accurate progressive passes
--3rd in EPL in key passes
--covered most distance in EPL
 

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That's a bummer, especially for a player of his age. Perisic is a class player who I think last season was undermined by being tasked with playing a lot of wing back in Conte's system. As a proper winger off the bench he has brought a lot of skill, especially with his delivery on set pieces and other passes into the box (his excellent corner setting up Richarlison on Saturday being the latest example).

Spurs have a decent amount of players at that position, plus Sessegnon will eventually be back which should help.
 

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That's a bummer, especially for a player of his age. Perisic is a class player who I think last season was undermined by being tasked with playing a lot of wing back in Conte's system. As a proper winger off the bench he has brought a lot of skill, especially with his delivery on set pieces and other passes into the box (his excellent corner setting up Richarlison on Saturday being the latest example).

Spurs have a decent amount of players at that position, plus Sessegnon will eventually be back which should help.
He was good even as a Conte wingback until injuries to basically everyone else in that position forced them to play him into the ground.
 

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Seeing that Maddison and GLC are both doubtful for the Liverpool game. What happens if neither can play? Does Hoj start in that spot? Move Kulu down? Change the formation?
 

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Seeing that Maddison and GLC are both doubtful for the Liverpool game. What happens if neither can play? Does Hoj start in that spot? Move Kulu down? Change the formation?
I think you move Kulu down and either start Richy (Son moves to wing), if Johnson or Gil can go you start them opposite Solomon, or maybe we get our first look at Feliz?

Just as likely, you move Porro to RW and bring on Emerson at RB.

'Tis a bloody MASH unit!
 

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I think you move Kulu down and either start Richy (Son moves to wing), if Johnson or Gil can go you start them opposite Solomon, or maybe we get our first look at Feliz?

Just as likely, you move Porro to RW and bring on Emerson at RB.

'Tis a bloody MASH unit!
Johnson and Gil are apparently both out.
 

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Looks like Maddison should be a go.

Johnson is out, but they said it was more a tight hammy than any injury and he should be good to go next week. Start Solomon and depending on the late game scoreline, Richarlison comes in for him but Sonny slides over.
 

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Looks like Maddison should be a go.

Johnson is out, but they said it was more a tight hammy than any injury and he should be good to go next week. Start Solomon and depending on the late game scoreline, Richarlison comes in for him but Sonny slides over.
Yup, the forwards group is only 4 deep right now, unless Ange pushes Porro up and brings on Emerson. I think your setup is correct though.

What happens in MF if Madders doesn't start? Hopefully GLC can go, but if he can't or Madders is limited, you probably see Hoj come on as the pivot and push Biss into that spot, or you play Richy and Kulu moves back to 8? It's too early in the season for this shit!
 

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Love that this side kept going and actually took advantage of the breaks they got today.

I don’t have any illusions that there’s enough depth on this team to even be near the title race, but beating out Newcastle/Brighton/Man U for top 4 seems really doable.

Also, just love that I like watching games again. Ange has completely won me over.
 

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Love that this side kept going and actually took advantage of the breaks they got today.

I don’t have any illusions that there’s enough depth on this team to even be near the title race, but beating out Newcastle/Brighton/Man U for top 4 seems really doable.

Also, just love that I like watching games again. Ange has completely won me over.
They could conceivably make a run in the direction of the title if they have one of those "everyone stays luckily healthy" years, but so far not looking like they will. I'll settle for seeming well ahead of schedule on this rebuild job and hopefully between developing some of the younger guys they have and a few more windows they can build the depth to be legitimately competitive For the top prizes.
 

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Get to January in the hunt and bring in some reinforcements.

And top 5 should bring Champions League next season, so it seems doable.
 

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Yeah, Champion's League seems extremely doable and also will be useful for continuing to build the squad we need. Also, a lot of fun.

I wouldn't even hate one of the lesser light European competitions as long as Spurs don't pull the arrogant "we're too good for this one, we don't take it seriously and crash out" thing they did for that in recent years. Seems fun to win one of those.
 

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I mean, until they start dropping points they shouldn't, the title race is on in my mind. It's only October, but with each passing gameweek with a solid result, To Dare is To Do!
 

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Making Tottenham "fun" will hopefully entice some players that would have said no in the past. Can't wait to see how that goes.


Anyone see Cuti's response to his McCallister after he whined about the officiating? Romero said "Go cry at home" lol