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Who is this player? Who was available for a short term contract that was worth jettisoning Dalbec, or for short money that would be a good fallback for Dalbec but is better than Franchy?
Literally every 1B on a 40 man and half the guys in AAA
 

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I think the point is.... why would you start the season giving yourself no wiggle room. What if the two were flipped, and Dalbec gets hurt while Casas struggles in AAA (not exactly unheard of)... you're playing Franchy.
Well no, you'd be playing Travis Shaw, who they thought enough about to add him to the major league roster after a camp invite and how he'd helped them down the stretch last year. Franchy was the 4th option at 1st when the season began.
 

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So I’m guessing this means that Dalbec will fill in for when Hosmer or Devers need a break?
 

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So I’m guessing this means that Dalbec will fill in for when Hosmer or Devers need a break?
He could be dealt, he could be optioned, he could platoon with Hosmer, there could be a lot more DH PAs to go around... I think we'll know more in an hour.
 

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For all the hang wringing about Casas, this is an intriguing aspect:
View: https://twitter.com/jtomase/status/1554535486466789377?s=20&t=RFLlsKbr9kmLD5hGb6BEEw

@jtomase Worth noting that Hosmer attended the same high school as Red Sox prospect Triston Casas (American Heritage in Plantation, Fla.) and has worked with the youngster since he was a teenager.
Considering the players who Hosmer compares to, acquiring in his age 32 season with little financial outlay for the duration of his contract seems reasonable. He started his career comparable to Eddie Murray (who made the HOF). More recently, J.T. Snow, Harold Baines (who also made the HOF), Billy Butler, George Scott and maybe Rusty Staub are his comparable players. If moving back to the AL with more games in Fenway Park and the other ALE hitter's parks reinvigorates his bat, he could be more than an average replacement for the inadequate tandem playing 1B now. He can also DH (with more years left on his contract) if JD Martinez gets traded in the next hour.

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Groome to Padres in Hosmer deal, per Robert Murray

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Groome has been an obvious change of scenery candidate with several arms passing him by over the last season or two and needing to clear out some 40-man space.
 

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Padres were heavily on Groome in 2016 draft and have followed him closely since. Groome had slipped a lot in Sox depth chart behind other rotation prospects, but looks like a big leaguer who isn’t far from the big leagues in some role (depth starter or bullpen).
 

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Frustrating that Groome never really put it together but he was a clear potential causality of the upcoming 40 man crunch.
 

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https://blogs.fangraphs.com/san-diego-padres-top-35-prospects-2022/

Corey Rosier, OF

Rosier began his college career at Chipola Junior College in Florida and ended it with one season at UNC Greensboro, where he hit .354/.434/.604 with nearly as many walks as strikeouts. The Mariners drafted him in the 12th round and quickly traded him to the Padres as part of the Adam Frazier deal. Rosier has several catalytic qualities: he’s a 70 runner with a good idea of the strike zone and he’s difficult to make miss within it. Rosier hasn’t really been tested by opposing pitchers yet and he’s approaching 23 while playing in A-ball. He has the speed for center but is currently in left in deference to Robert Hassell III; he played a mix of left and center in college. On tape, he isn’t especially comfortable circling under balls, but Rosier does have huge gap-to-gap range and is capable of making the occasional spectacular play. He has the tools of a fifth outfielder, but it’s possible that against upper-level pitchers he’ll prove he has the contact skills to support a bigger role.
Max Ferguson, 2B

The narrow, speedy Ferguson had a rough pre-draft spring and fell to the fifth round after he looked like a potential first rounder as an underclassman. He has 40 bat speed but is extremely patient, and he’s a plus second base defender and has the wheels to play center field, which he did a little bit of in college and is poised to do more of in pro ball. Ferguson desperately needs to get stronger. He is on the field with Jackson Merrill a lot and you’d never be able to guess from afar which of them was recently in high school and which had access to an SEC weight program the last several years. Even with his hit and power tools projecting well below average, there is a weird collection of premium skills here that might still have on-roster utility.
 

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Bloom once again clearly showing he's just throwing stuff against a wall and hoping it sticks. In no way is this organization better set for success today than they were a week ago. Club needs a new direction
This is just an unbelievably dumb and short sighted take.

Look at the farm system since Bloom took over. It’s obviously he’s building for the long term without immediately sacrificing the short term.
 

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Ferguson is 22, an infielder with a .767 OPS in A ball, and a 35+ FV on fangraphs.

Rosier is also 22, is an OF in high A with a 70 on his run tool and a .750ish OPS, and a 40 FV from fangraphs.
 

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Neither Rosier or Ferguson would need to be added to the 40-man until winter '24.
 

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Rosier - MLB Pipeline

Rosier transferred from Chipola (Fla.) Junior College to UNC Greensboro for the 2021 season, and in his one campaign with the Spartans, he was named to the All-Southern Conference First Team with a .354/.434/.604 line, 12 homers and 17 steals in 52 games. The Mariners selected the outfielder in the 12th round that July and saw him take off with a .390 average, 1.046 OPS and near-even 20/18 K/BB ratio in 31 games at Single-A Modesto. Rosier impressed the Padres enough to seek him out in an offseason deal for Adam Frazier, and he’s been a solid performer at High-A Fort Wayne in his first full season.

At just 5-foot-10, Rosier thrives more on contact than impact to drive his value at the plate. His left-handed swing doesn’t feature a ton of noise, helping him cut down on strikeouts, and his advanced approach leads to a healthy amount of walks. Rosier can turn on balls to the pullside to provide some pop, but he isn’t likely to hit more than 10 homers in a full Major League season. In fact, his plus-plus speed might be his best slugging percentage aide as he turns singles into doubles and doubles into triples.

The 22-year-old has been a threat to steal everywhere he’s played, including High-A, and those wheels help him track down balls in the grass. He’s played mostly left with Fort Wayne, only because of the presence of Robert Hassell III in center, and with a decent arm, he could be an option anywhere in the outfield moving forward. That should help his chances of being a fourth outfielder in the bigs in a few years.
Ferguson - MLB Pipeline

Entering the 2021 season, Ferguson was considered Tennessee’s best hitting prospect since Nick Senzel, who was selected second overall in 2016. Like Senzel, Ferguson was viewed as a hit-over-power prospect with the versatility to play all over the diamond. However, his 2021 season didn’t go as expected and he fell to the Padres in the fifth round of last year’s Draft. Ferguson signed for slot value ($324,100) then split time between the Arizona Complex League and Low-A Lake Elsinore in his debut, although health issues hampered his production.

In the past, Ferguson possessed a smooth, left-handed swing and showed an advanced approach at the plate. He got away from that a bit in 2021 as he tried to hit for more power. He’s still adding strength to his 6-foot-1, 180-pound frame and although he flashes pop on occasion, he’s more of a gap-to-gap hitter in games. At his best, Ferguson is able to work counts and make consistent quality contact.

Ferguson has good instincts and is able to use his plus speed on the bases, where he went 15-for-16 in stolen base attempts over 37 games in 2021. A quality defender at the keystone, he’s also able to play shortstop and has shown an aptitude for center field. Ferguson has a slightly above average arm, but his defensive versatility is an asset and if he’s able to get back on track offensively, he’s certainly a player to keep an eye on moving forward.
 

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Rosier went to SD in the Frazier deal last year. OBP and speed guy, walks almost as much as he strikes out (in A+ ball as a 22 year old anyway).

Ferguson stole 51 bases in A ball this year with a .403 OBP in 64 games before being moved up to A+ where he has largely been terrible over 22 games.

Both are 22.
 

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Neither Rosier or Ferguson would need to be added to the 40-man until winter '24.
That's a very important point. We just traded a guy that was a fringe 40-man guy for two prospects that don't need to be added for a while. We need the room for the offseason, and Groome was at risk of being DFA'd. I figured he'd be traded today.
 

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Neither of those prospects look too exciting. 4th outfielder upside with one. But I guess Groome isn’t much either and as mentioned it resets the rule 5 clock on one roster spot.
 

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These guys shouldn't move the needle massively on the Hosmer payroll contribution. They are probably comparably valuable to Groome.
 

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So the Padres get the better of the prospect exchange. Hosmer should be just about free then?
 

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I'm intrigued by these returns, but none of the four prospects -- Valdez, Abreu, Ferguson or Rosier -- are ranked as high as Hudson Potts (45 FV) and Jeisson Rosario (40+) were when we traded Moreland for them in 2020 (per the FanGraphs rankings at the time of the trade).
 

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Ferguson and Rosier seem roughly equivalent to what Boston got in the Vazquez trade, so this full deal now seems more about clearing 40-man space, getting a cheap first base upgrade, and adding some depth to the minors. Not very exciting either for today or tomorrow — more about the margins than anything else.
 

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Does the inclusion of minor leaguers reduce the amount that SD is covering Hosner's contract? I'd kinda hate to be stuck with too much salary for this trade. The appeal for me is that it'd be pretty low cost and thus easy to cut bait.
 

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These two prospects look more valuable jointly than Groome while helping with the 40 man crunch. But we still need to see how much money San Diego is sending to really get a feel for this trade. If it’s enough to zero out Hosmer’s luxury tax impact, then this could be a very good overall deal.
 

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Ferguson and Rosier seem roughly equivalent to what Boston got in the Vazquez trade, so this full deal now seems more about clearing 40-man space, getting a cheap first base upgrade, and adding some depth to the minors. Not very exciting either for today or tomorrow — more about the margins than anything else.
So far it wouldn't free up 40-man space though, right? Groome was on the 40-man and now Hosmer is. Two prospects are not.
 

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I'm intrigued by these returns, but none of the four prospects -- Valdez, Abreu, Ferguson or Rosier -- are ranked as high as Hudson Potts (45 FV) and Jeisson Rosario (40+) were when we traded Moreland for them in 2020 (per the FanGraphs rankings at the time of the trade).

Looks like they are valuing guys with speed, that walk and play D. Outside of Valdez, who just mashes.
 

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Max Ferguson has been a terror on the base paths this season. The 22-year-old San Diego Padres infield prospect has played in 73 games — 64 with Low-A Lake Elsinore, and more recently nine with High-A Fort Wayne — and he has 53 stolen bases in 57 attempts. A fifth-round pick last year out of the University of Tennessee, Ferguson loves to run.

“It’s definitely a big part of my game,” said Ferguson. “It’s something I’ve kind of always had in my back pocket — it’s never been as prominent as it is now — and having the freedom from my managers has helped me be a little more aggressive.”

He doesn’t see himself as a burner. When I caught up to the speedster following his late-June promotion, he told me that he’s not even the fastest player on his current team. In his view, Corey Rosier — a 22-year-old outfielder with 24 stolen bags on the season — has better wheels. While acknowledging that he can indeed motor, Ferguson feels that reads and instincts play an equally prominent role in his ability to pilfer.

Ferguson was reluctant to cite a number when asked how many bases he can steal by season’s end, but he did allow that he’s already surpassed his goal coming in. Based in part on conversations he had with coaches and coordinators, the objective was 40 — a total he attained by mid-June.

“Wherever that number lands will be nice,” said Ferguson.”Again, I’m not the fastest guy in the world, but I do have good instincts, and I definitely enjoy [stealing bases]. It’s not something you see at a crazy high clip in the big leagues right now, but it’s fun when you see guys running. It’s a little entertainment for everyone,”

Ferguson — No. 26 on our San Diego Padres Top Prospects list — is slashing .234/.388/.355 with a 106 wRC+ on the season. He’s legged out six triples and left the yard four times.

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So the Padres get the better of the prospect exchange. Hosmer should be just about free then?
We traded a 40+FV prospect who wasn't going to stay on the 40-man roster past the end of the season for a 40FV prospect and a 35+FV prospect who don't need to be added to the 40-man roster for a couple of years. The specific prospect-ness is only one portion of the transaction. You want to surmise that Groome is the best of the three prospects today. I won't argue it. But he didn't fit into our organization because he's behind all of the other 40-man pitchers. He was expendable. The two prospects we received may also not make it to Boston, but they fit into the organization better.