crow216 said:The Yankees just destroyed the market for the other pitchers too.
jon abbey said:
Really not sure how Garza at 4/48 or whatever wouldn't be a better pickup than this one, but maybe I irrationally like Garza.
StuckOnYouk said:Hey Opes, the Yankees will never suck for more than 1 year as long as there is no hard cap. They will do just what they did after 2008, drop a half bil on the open market and plug holes and carry on.
soxhop411 said:
Bruce Arthur @bruce_arthur20s
Also, per @JoelSherman1, the Yankees didn't give Tanaka a physical themselves, and trusted the agent's physical. Sounds foolproof.
that seems like a very risky move by the yankees
glennhoffmania said:Essentially $25m per year for a guy who has never thrown an MLB pitch. I'd be nervous.
glennhoffmania said:
He still wouldn't have 6 years of service time.
Cowboys Idiots N Beards said:So now they have Tanaka, Sabathia, Nova, Kuroda and Pineda. Does that scare anyone?
mabrowndog said:
Tanaka's AAV ($22.143M) puts the Yankees at $209.849M for 2014 luxury tax purposes. I can't express how awesome it is that they're on track to remain at the 50% tax rate for the duration of the current CBA (through 2016). On top of the $20M posting fee to Rakuten, and assuming they don't dump salary for any of their current commitments, they're slated to pay $10.45M in luxury tax.
Updating a post I made in the "under $189M" thread last week:
I'm assuming A-Rod's cap figure will be recalculated to account for this year's reduced payout, so here are the AAVs for players currently under contract for 2015:
$25.137 Rodriguez
$22.500 Teixeira
$24.400 Sabathia
$22.143 Tanaka
$21.857 Ellsbury
$17.000 McCann
$15.000 Beltran
$03.500 Thornton
$02.500 Ryan
Subtotal = $154.037M for just 9 players.
Add the estimated $17M for benefits/40-man/minors commitments, and it's $171.037M. Bear in mind that in 2015 and 2016, the MLB and minor league minimum salaries are subject to cost-of-living increases, which I haven't accounted for.
And they'll still have 16 spots to fill on the 25-man roster, or 17 if they decide to release A-Rod and his sideshow. That's with just under $18M to spend, money that would also have to cover any bonuses, mid-season acquisitions, retention of 2014 free agents, and post-2014 arbitration offers. Hard to believe this is where they'd be after dropping Wells, Jeter, Kuroda, Soriano & Suzuki from the books while losing Gardner & Robertson to free agency.
I know everyone else has responded, but I feel like I should respond -jon abbey said:
For the umpteenth time, the optouts have not hurt them one bit, it's the re-signing guys once they opt out that is the problem.
Rudy Pemberton said:
And when he doesn't agree with a move that he makes, he can simply piss and moan about it, too.
glennhoffmania said:
He still wouldn't have 6 years of service time.
mabrowndog said:
Well, he could always return to Japan. Certainly not the same leverage as true MLB free agency, but it's not like he won't have a choice. If he's produced at a level that merits a raise relative to market, the Yankees will have to pony up.
TomRicardo said:
The opt out will have a clause that allows him out before.
wutang112878 said:
Absolutely. By normal standards his job is just utter chaos and dysfunction, but he it seems like he can just do whatever he wants as long as he allows for the meddling.
No, it was Alfonzo. That joke was used when he lost out on Contreras as well, though, as it happened a week before.mabrowndog said:It was Jose Contreras.
Upon learning of Contreras' decision, Boston GM Theo Epstein reportedly broke a window and a door in the same Managua hotel. Team spokesman Kevin Shea denied the incident ever occurred. But, according to the New York Daily News, Epstein broke a chair during the winter meetings in Nashville after realizing free agent Edgardo Alfonzo had chosen the Giants over the Red Sox.
That was moments after he acquired Jeremy Giambi from the Phillies. Later that evening, Epstein was close to signing his first marquee free agent when third baseman Edgardo Alfonzo accepted a four-year contract from the Giants. Epstein simultaneously lost his first bidding war and temper, resulting in a chair getting smashed.
''It started in Nashville,'' he related, referring to the winter meetings earlier this month. ''There was a chair in our suite that was broken when we got there. We placed it outside the room. One of the writers asked about it. I said we came close to a deal and it didn't happen. It was an attempt at humor. One writer didn't get the humor.''
It's an interesting rotation. If Sabathia regains his old form, if Tanaka is a legit MLB #1 or #2, if Kuroda pitches like he did in the first half of last season, and if Nova and Pineda stay healthy and tap into their potential, it could be a potent rotation. Tons of ifs there, but it's possible.Cowboys Idiots N Beards said:So now they have Tanaka, Sabathia, Nova, Kuroda and Pineda. Does that scare anyone?
If the market says Tanaka is worth $175 million (including the posting fee) there is no way Garza is only worth $48 million.jon abbey said:
Really not sure how Garza at 4/48 or whatever wouldn't be a better pickup than this one, but maybe I irrationally like Garza.
mt8thsw9th said:No, it was Alfonzo. That joke was used when he lost out on Contreras as well, though, as it happened a week before.
The Contreras chair thing is one of those urban legends that doesn't seem to want to die out.
Does anybody not think they will go and sign another starter? You're over the 189 might as well go sign Garza or Ervin Santana now.crow216 said:Almost all the posts in this thread are about the money. I just am not even sure how good he's going to be. Even when we play the if game, the Yankees need Sabathia to be at least close to an ace, something he was not last year. If Sabathia sucks, the rotation is going to need more help.
RedOctober3829 said:Does anybody not think they will go and sign another starter? You're over the 189 might as well go sign Garza or Ervin Santana now.
jon abbey said:
While still managing to let their best player go elsewhere, don't forget.
RedOctober3829 said:Does anybody not think they will go and sign another starter? You're over the 189 might as well go sign Garza or Ervin Santana now.
crow216 said:Cubs @ $150m. Jeez.
In one sentence you summed up what's wrong with the Yankees' approach this offseason.jon abbey said:
While still managing to let their best player go elsewhere, don't forget.
Rovin Romine said:
Or Drew on a 1 year contract for 3B/SS?
They have holes at both positions. I'd think Drew would play 3rd if they signed him. Of course, do they give him a multi-year deal? He'd play 3rd this year then SS if/when Jeter retires.Brianish said:Or 2B for that matter. They're looking at Kelly Johnson and Brian Roberts right now, are they not?
I realize that money will win out in the end but if everything was equal, would you want to be the shortstop who takes the job from Jeter? Any out you make, idiot fans will convince themselves "Cap'n Jetes woulda got a hit dere!" or "Jetes would never a made dat erra!" never mind that he never would have got to the ball.Rovin Romine said:
Or Drew on a 1 year contract for 3B/SS?
If they stumble out of the gate with the "new team" it could be disastrous for them, in terms of marketing. Like you, I'm expecting more accusations, and like AV, I'm totally puzzled over the lottery ticket v. Cano choice.
Hey, if so they at least made the yankees pay more. Thanks agent double O Theo!crow216 said:Cubs @ $150m. Jeez.
Cowboys Idiots N Beards said:So now they have Tanaka, Sabathia, Nova, Kuroda and Pineda. Does that scare anyone?
In retrospect it does seem like they did choose Ellsbury over Cano. All this decision accomplished was pissing off Cano, and probably pushing Gardner out the free agency door. there is a lot of pressure to succeed on both Ellsbury and Tanaka. Looking forward to watching Jacoby face Boston and Cano face Tanaka.Average Reds said:
That's the part that is most baffling to me. Cano truly is an elite player and he's an odd choice to let go if you're just going to turn around and abandon the hope of getting under the cap.
They've more than replaced his production, but they still have gaping holes. Which would be great if they achieved their financial goals. Not great if they aren't.
Doctor G said:In retrospect it does seem like they did choose Ellsbury over Cano. All this decision accomplished was pissing off Cano, and probably pushing Gardner out the free agency door. there is a lot of pressure to succeed on both Ellsbury and Tanaka. Looking forward to watching Jacoby face Boston and Cano face Tanaka.