Revis Island to be annexed to Foxboro?

[bankshot1]

Everyone on NFL Network this morning is saying New England is a perfect fit for Revis.

He'd be a great fit as the lock-down CB the Pats could surely use, but I'm less than convinced they're going to spend the $$$ for 1 guy, when they got some other needs and limited cap room. BB's MO seems to be on depth, the best 53 guys and not the best 22. 

 

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

I don't know. Revis said he wouldn't restructure to go to Cleveland or Oakland. He didn't say he wouldn't restructure at all, right?  Crap... maybe he has.

 

[jsinger121]

The best fit for Revis, unfortunately, is the team that pays him the most money. Maybe the Pats will do it, but that remains to be seen, and there are a handful of teams out there with more money to spend. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if Irsay lights up a bong this afternoon and offers up his 4th to take the contract as is. They've got the money, even after their two big signings.

 
The Pats will never be that team. 

 

[jsinger121]

 

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet  1m
On Darrelle Revis, yes, the #Patriots have been among those who have called to express interest in a trade. Doesn’t plan to take a pay cut.

 

[Klostrophobic]

 
The Pats will never be that team. 

Every player they've ever signed has come to Foxboro for less money than they would've gotten elsewhere? Don't be so dumb.

 

[amarshal2]

Every player they've ever signed has come to Foxboro for less money than they would've gotten elsewhere? Don't be so dumb.

 
How many times have the BB Patriots had the highest paid player in the NFL at a non-special teams position?
 
Could be wrong, but I'm guessing the answer lies somewhere between 0 and 0.

 

[jsinger121]

Every player they've ever signed has come to Foxboro for less money than they would've gotten elsewhere? Don't be so dumb.

 
They won't be that team that gets into a bidding war for Revis. Its not happening if he wants the most money.

 

[Stitch01]

Then they'll move on and look to build depth elsewhere.  Im fine with that.
 
EDIT: dont get me wrong, Id love Revis, but they should assess value, make an offer, and if he wont sign for that move on.

 

[DJnVa]

It's rhetoric.
 
He won't take a pay cut. However, if he's released, he's not getting paid a dime.

 

[rodderick]

Then they'll move on and look to build depth elsewhere.  Im fine with that.
 
EDIT: dont get me wrong, Id love Revis, but they should assess value, make an offer, and if he wont sign for that move on.

 
I'm in this camp too. I want them to be serious about getting Revis, but if some team is dead set on giving him a crazy deal, get a guy like DRC and address other areas of need. No reason to get desperate.

 

[Klostrophobic]

 
How many times have the BB Patriots had the highest paid player in the NFL at a non-special teams position?
 
Could be wrong, but I'm guessing the answer lies somewhere between 0 and 0.

How many times has a top-3 defensive player in his supposed prime been available via trade or through free agency like this?

 

[Shelterdog]

How many times has a top-3 defensive player in his supposed prime been available via trade or through free agency like this?

 
Last year with Revis?

 

[bankshot1]

Revis is a great player, but he was a PIA with the Jets, trying to renegotiate his contract twice. IMO there is little reason to believe if he's a FA, he'll accept a discount to his perception of his value. 

 

[southshoresoxfan]

If they miss on revis get browner and cromartie in one short money one year deals. Those two w ryan dennard mccourty arrington harmon would.be good enough. Shore up the pass rush and youll be fine on D

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

How many times has a top-3 defensive player in his supposed prime been available via trade or through free agency like this?

 
Amen -- he had a fucking great year (that blows Talib out of the water) while a) coming off an ACL injury b) playing in a new system.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if he's a top-3 CB again -- with a lower pick & $16m, it's worth it. 
 
MAKE THIS HAPPEN BILL

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

Revis is a great player, but he was a PIA with the Jets, trying to renegotiate his contract twice. IMO there is little reason to believe if he's a FA, he'll accept a discount to his perception of his value. 

 
He's only a PIA re: contract. He's got that with $16m/year compensation.
 
By all accounts he was a great locker room presence and an intensive competitor on the field -- that's both in NY and in TB.

 

[Klostrophobic]

 
Last year with Revis?

So the Jets were going to trade him to the Patriots? Fair point.

Getting Revis for a fourth and front loading his contract so he's here for 3 years and 48 is a lot different from trading a first and a conditional and then giving him 16 for just one year.

 

[rodderick]

 
Last year with Revis?

 
Last year he'd cost a fuckton in both picks and money. This year, only one of those is a problem.

 

[bankshot1]

If they miss on revis get browner and cromartie in one short money one year deals. Those two w ryan dennard mccourty arrington harmon would.be good enough. Shore up the pass rush and youll be fine on D

This is more the BB MO. It may not be sexy, or headline grabbing but it probably gets them to play deep into the post-season.
 
IMO the Pats can compete and win a championship with a top 10 offense and a top 10 defense. The D was working towards that last year, but the injuries really hurt.

 

[amarshal2]

How many times has a top-3 defensive player in his supposed prime been available via trade or through free agency like this?

 
Why wouldn't you count Tom Brady, Richard Seymore, etc.?  Those guys were tops in the NFL.  Did the Patriots agree to make them the highest paid player?  I'm not saying this binary way of looking at it is the best...in theory a player could be near the best in the NFL, have the biggest contract, and be worth every cent.  That said, they have made it clear that they are not going to absorb a large portion of their cap with 2 players.  They strongly prefer to build a well-rounded roster.  This is obvious and should not be a point of disagreement.  I don't think that changes here just because it's someone else's FA.

 

[mascho]

Dammit.  Thread title change had me hoping for good news.  Fuckers.  

 

[Reardon's Beard]

This is more the BB MO. It may not be sexy, or headline grabbing but it probably gets them to play deep into the post-season.
 
IMO the Pats can compete and win a championship with a top 10 offense and a top 10 defense. The D was working towards that last year, but the injuries really hurt.

 
I think you're right on the money here but BB knows value when he sees it. If he believes Revis is the best CB in the league (or one of) and can outperform the numbers on the books (for New England) he will move things around to make it happen. I would be very surprised if he wasn't more aggressive in this situation than most player acquisitions. This narrative feels more like Harrison, Dillon, and Moss than it does Thomas or Haynesworth.

 

[kelpapa]

Same here.

 

[AlNipper49]

 
I think you're right on the money here but BB knows value when he sees it. If he believes Revis is the best CB in the league (or one of) and can outperform the numbers on the books (for New England) he will move things around to make it happen. I would be very surprised if he wasn't more aggressive in this situation than most player acquisitions. This narrative feels more like Harrison, Dillon, and Moss than it does Thomas or Haynesworth.

Precisely.  The one thing that I'm comforted in is that I'm absolutely certain that BB is saying "is this spend the optimal use of our finite resources?".  The answer could very well be yes, it wasn't until a few years ago (relatively-speaking) that people starting measuring free agent MLB contracts by $/WAR.  This is essentially the same exact thing.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

Dammit.  Thread title change had me hoping for good news.  Fuckers.  

 

Same here.

 
That's how I roll. 

 

[bankshot1]

 
I think you're right on the money here but BB knows value when he sees it. If he believes Revis is the best CB in the league (or one of) and can outperform the numbers on the books (for New England) he will move things around to make it happen. I would be very surprised if he wasn't more aggressive in this situation than most player acquisitions. This narrative feels more like Harrison, Dillon, and Moss than it does Thomas or Haynesworth.

I just question if BB's sense of value and Revis sense of value are close enough to close the gap. Complicating the matter is the Pat's cap space and (IMO) their other needs and that Revis has a history of holding close to his financial demands.. 

 

[Shelterdog]

So the Jets were going to trade him to the Patriots? Fair point.

Getting Revis for a fourth and front loading his contract so he's here for 3 years and 48 is a lot different from trading a first and a conditional and then giving him 16 for just one year.

 
Ok, to be less sarcastic a top defensive player becomes available every couple of years--Jared Allen, Haynesworth, Mario Williams, Julius Peppers, Revis this and last year--the cost was obviously higher last year.  It's unusual but not all that unusual.

 

[tims4wins]

 
 
That's how I roll. 

 
Think positively

 

[j44thor]

If he is released does anyone think Revis will accept any deal that doesn't make him the highest paid CB in NFL history (at least until Sherman breaks the bank).  It is as much about the prestige of being the highest paid as it is the $$.
 
He may well be worth it but not to a cap strapped team like NE. Not when you can likely sign a DRC for 1/2 to 1/3 the cost.
 
Put this another way would you rather have Revis or DRC + Ware + Edelman?

 

[Reverend]

I started out in the "no way does sign a CB that makes more than Tom Brady" camp--not from the honor/pride angle but simply because I don't think that's how Belichick thinks in terms of value.
 
I'm starting to think more and more, though, about how great Belichick defenses are when there is one smart shutdown cover guy who understands Bill's schemes. Remember those Law INTs when it just seemed like he was just standing there as though he knew where the ball was going to be before the QB had even decided where he was going to throw it?
 
I started thinking about this in the "game changer" thread. I think a game changer is a guy that either forces the other team to not be able to do something they normally try to do, or lets you do something that you otherwise can't; I'm using the term sort of literally in that way. In that vein, I imagine different guys would be game changers in different schemes or against different opponents. I wonder if having a shutdown CB just might be a true game changer in Belichick's schemes. Like, maybe that's the piece that yields waves of benefits outwards that makes the scheme really click and work...
 
Hmmm.

 

[Was (Not Wasdin)]

 
How many times have the BB Patriots had the highest paid player in the NFL at a non-special teams position?
 
Could be wrong, but I'm guessing the answer lies somewhere between 0 and 0.

 
Agree it doesn't happen often, but I am pretty sure that one year (2005 or 2006) Seymour was the highest paid player in the NFL, based on total compensation (not cap charge), and when Mankins signed his new deal he was for a while the highest paid interior lineman in the NFL.    

 

[bradmahn]

I'm surprised this hasn't been brought up:

"Tom Brady Contract Extension Makes Him NFL's Highest Paid Player"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/09/tom-brady-contract-extens_n_711578.html

 
How many times have the BB Patriots had the highest paid player in the NFL at a non-special teams position?
 
Could be wrong, but I'm guessing the answer lies somewhere between 0 and 0.

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

If he is released does anyone think Revis will accept any deal that doesn't make him the highest paid CB in NFL history (at least until Sherman breaks the bank).  It is as much about the prestige of being the highest paid as it is the $$.

 
He's already the highest paid CB in NFL history., since TB gave him a really ridiculous contract.
 
My guess is that nobody else wants to pay him that much money (which is a big reason why nobody has traded for him despite it costing very little.  The question then is how high do you want to go on Revis once he is a true FA.
 
Comparable deals are Asomugha at 5/60 with 25 guaranteed, Talib at 6/57 with 26 guaranteed, Brandon Carr, Cortland Finnegan, and Jonathan Joseph all got about 5/50 with 25 guaranteed.  Revis is better than any of those guys but giving him a $16M AAV is just stupid if that's the top of the CB market, especially for a guy who is about to turn 29.  I think a reasonable deal is something like 5/65 with 30 guaranteed (a 15M signing bonus and the first two years guaranteed, maybe the second year only for injury).  You then backload the salaries a bit (a progression like 6, 8, 10, 13, 13) and plan to likely cut him after three years.

 

[FelixMantilla]

Nice link to a Brady contract article from 2010.
 
Obviously he has rewritten his contract since then.

 

[soxfan121]

 
How many times have the BB Patriots had the highest paid player in the NFL at a non-special teams position?
 
Could be wrong, but I'm guessing the answer lies somewhere between 0 and 0.

 
You're wrong. 
 
Logan Mankins was the highest paid Guard in the NFL history until Jahri Evans took the honor. 
Vince Wilfork was the highest paid NT in the NFL when he signed his current contract. 
Ty Law was the highest paid CB in the NFL in 2004 (franchise tag). 
 
Including Brady, who has topped the QB list at a couple different points due to contract clauses/distribution and you're wrong five times over. 
 
But thanks for perpetuating the myth of the Patriots and BB as miserly and cheap when, in fact, reality doesn't support that contention. Like, at all.

 

[Jer]

Throughout this all I can think about is this video:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_exmr3CTtaM
 
Rapid Fire, first word that comes to mind.
Belichick
 
Revis "Jerk"
 
Hopefully he still doesn't feel that way. 

 
Doesn't BB seem like the kind of guy that wouldn't forget these comments? I can't recall a player he acquired or resigned that defied/slandered him like that. Am I forgetting someone?
 

 
 
“I have respect for him. Winning is winning,” Revis said. “But sometimes things are disrespectful. When you say certain comments about the Jets, some stuff is disrespectful. It’s okay to have a rivalry. It’s okay to compete. But when it gets personal, you’re getting disrespectful. I didn’t start this battle. The smart remarks sometimes he says are ignorant. It’s ignorant to this organization.”
 
When asked to specify which remarks he was referring to, Revis said:
 
“I don’t know… Talking about the best defense … All that stuff. That’s just ignorant. Why go there? You won fair and square. Hey, we shook your hand after the game. We’ll see you in New England or wherever in the playoffs, ok. But when you start saying stuff like that… no… it gets too personal. You don’t have to say that. … Did anybody else say anything like that? No… not from our side. Bart (Scott) said his thing… “Can’t Wait” thing. But he still didn’t disrespect. He just said that they feel like they’re better than us. That’s okay. It’s personal. It’s disrespectful.”
 
When reminded that Antonio Cromartie told the Daily News Tom Brady an “a—hole” a couple years ago, Revis echoed his teammate’s sentiment.
 
“Sometimes he do (like that that) on the field,” Revis said. “That’s his personal opinion about him. If that’s how he acts on the field. That’s how he acts. He wants to throw a touchdown and point at our sideline. That’s disrespect, man. That’s not sportsmanship. Now do people say words on the field to each other? Yeah… that’s in between the lines. But then when it’s getting out of hand…  Come on, man. Come on. Sportsmanship.”

 
Revis's remarks seem to pass the "just a competitor being competitive" line.
 
Maybe it's a positive sign that there are rumors that the Pats are kicking the tires. I have my doubts that they're serious though.

 

[E5 Yaz]

The closer it gets to Revis being released, the less chance I think he has of coming to the Patriots. I think there are two teams lying in the weeds on this, who each have cap room and ownerships who love to make a splash -- Washington and Indianapolis -- and we know NE won't allow itself to get into a bidding war.
 
That's what makes what the Broncos did doubly devious. They took away the Pats' No. 1 corner ... and they paid him at a level that really stretches to the limit what the Patriots have done in the past. 
 
If he's released, I'd watch the Colts

 

[DaughtersofDougMirabelli]

The closer it gets to Revis being released, the less chance I think he has of coming to the Patriots. I think there are two teams lying in the weeds on this, who each have cap room and ownerships who love to make a splash -- Washington and Indianapolis -- and we know NE won't allow itself to get into a bidding war.
 
That's what makes what the Broncos did doubly devious. They took away the Pats' No. 1 corner ... and they paid him at a level that really stretches to the limit what the Patriots have done in the past. 
 
If he's released, I'd watch the Colts

I'm in this boat too, and I already can't stand all the Patriot fan whining I'm hearing today. It's only going to get worse when the Patriots lose Revis too.

 

[Van Everyman]

 
Doesn't BB seem like the kind of guy that wouldn't forget these comments? I can't recall a player he acquired or resigned that defied/slandered him like that. Am I forgetting someone?
 
 
Revis's remarks seem to pass the "just a competitor being competitive" line.
 
Maybe it's a positive sign that there are rumors that the Pats are kicking the tires. I have my doubts that they're serious though.

I'm assuming that reaction may have had something to do with this:

Bill Belichick On Last Night's Win Over Jets: "37 Points On The Best Defense In The League, Suck My Dick”

Per the suddenly demure New York Post:

As the Patriots coach walked off the MetLife Stadium field, he threw his arm around his son, Stephen, and added an exclamation mark to the Patriots' 37-16 victory over the Jets.
"Thirty-seven points on the best defense in the league, s—- my d—-," the Patriots coach said in celebration.
[...]
Belichick was asked about the comment this morning on WFAN.
"Any conversations I had privately I'll keep private," he said.

Belichick has probably earned his Rex Ryan moment, although, to be fair, seven of those points were scored on the Jets' offense.

Patriots coach mocks Jets' defense with vulgar phrase [New York Post]

http://deadspin.com/5859281/bill-belichick-after-last-nights-win-37-points-on-the-best-defense-in-the-league-suck-my-dick

I don't disagree that Bill never forgets. But should Revis' comments have been in the wake of that aside (to his kid no less), my sense is that even he might privately admit that such a reaction was warranted.

 

[RoyHobbs]

 
Remember those Law INTs when it just seemed like he was just standing there as though he knew where the ball was going to be before the QB had even decided where he was going to throw it?
 
 

 
THATS CUZ OF THE SPYING!11!!
 
But on a serious note, I could get on the Browner/DRC train mentioned above. The guaranteed Talib money has me utterly convinced Revis is not coming to NE. Who besides the Raiders even has both the money and the wherewithal to go above that figure?
 
edit: R

 

[Corsi]

 

Roy Cummings ‏@RCummingsTBO  3m
Bucs have moved press conference for free agents from 3 p.m. to 4:30. One reason why: chances of actually trading Revis are increasing
 

 

[soxhop411]

 

Wonder if it's the pats.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Francesa On Revis: when he gets released, his preferences are the Jets, Pats, then everybody else.

 

[mascho]

@JasonLaCanfora  2m
Bucs delayed time of their free agent press conference - pushing to add Josh McCown and Anthony Collins to their haul. Very good chance

 

[mpx42]

 
 
 

 
Follow up tweet says "chances are still remote"

 

[dcmissle]

I love Red October, but Francesa is an effing tool.

 

[soxfan121]

 
Doesn't BB seem like the kind of guy that wouldn't forget these comments? I can't recall a player he acquired or resigned that defied/slandered him like that. Am I forgetting someone?

 
Ty Law.

 

[amarshal2]

 
You're wrong. 
 
Logan Mankins was the highest paid Guard in the NFL history until Jahri Evans took the honor. 
Vince Wilfork was the highest paid NT in the NFL when he signed his current contract. 
Ty Law was the highest paid CB in the NFL in 2004 (franchise tag). 
 
Including Brady, who has topped the QB list at a couple different points due to contract clauses/distribution and you're wrong five times over. 
 
But thanks for perpetuating the myth of the Patriots and BB as miserly and cheap when, in fact, reality doesn't support that contention. Like, at all.

 
First, thank you for proving me wrong.  Good to have that info in the discussion and I apologize for not knowing.
 
Second, don't be a dick about points I didn't make in the slightest.
 
 

 
... I'm not saying this binary way of looking at it is the best...in theory a player could be near the best in the NFL, have the biggest contract, and be worth every cent.  That said, they have made it clear... They strongly prefer to build a well-rounded roster.  This is obvious and should not be a point of disagreement.  I don't think that changes here just because it's someone else's FA.

 

 

[Corsi]

 

Tom E. Curran ‏@tomecurran  22s
At this point, a release of Revis is more likely than a trade, according to a source. Still could change.
 

 

[Ralphwiggum]

Twitter can be great but seriously fuck all of these tweets.
 
He could be released, or traded.  One is more likely than the other, but that could change.  Several teams are in the mix.
 
Thanks media.