Revis Island to be annexed to Foxboro?

soxfan121 · Mar 4, 2014

I spent some time day dreaming about this. Assuming $8M is earmarked for Talib, they would need to cut Sopoaga ($2.5M), Connolly, ($3M), Adrian Wilson ($1.1M), and Tommy Kelly ($2.1M) to create a little more than $8M in cap space for a total of $16M+.

Or they can cut Vince Wilfork ($8M) and Adrian Wilson ($1.1M), keep Connolly, Sopoaga & Kelly and still make it work.

FWIW, I have no idea why Sopoaga and Adrian Wilson are still on the roster. Kelly and Connolly aren't "no-brainer" cuts but they are pretty close.

I guess Connolly's status is held up by Wendell's FA, Mankins onerous contract (cut next season?..$2.5M is the savings this year but it does create a cap hit next year) and questions about whether Cannon can transition to RG full time. Kelly...I would guess he's gonna be back as depth or Vince insurance or DT draft insurance (as in, they don't get a guy there).

Another "easy" cut would be Gostkowski, ($3M) but I imagine that would not happen until after the draft and a new kicker is procured.

ALL NUMBERS COURTESY overthecap.com and quoted as CAP SAVINGS, not including dead money hits in future year(s)

Devizier · Mar 4, 2014

Revis is not happening, but Revis and Talib is really not happening.

soxfan121 · Mar 4, 2014

Devizier said:
Revis is not happening, but Revis and Talib is really not happening.

No one has suggested that. Read it again. SSF specifically says "don't resign Talib" and I said "take the $8M earmarked for Talib" (and give it to Revis).

And yeah, Revis isn't happening. But it's March and I'd thank you not take "day dreaming" so seriously.

Super Nomario · Mar 4, 2014

SeoulSoxFan said:
So that actually means a choice between Talib + extension (McD?) + few small signings vs. Revis.

As I mentioned before, any talk of Revis signing is really unicorns and show ponies, but is it really that much of a crazy idea? I thought TB terribly misused him and he still had the best (least) targets out of any CBs with 50% snaps played (overall, he ranked at the top, at least according to PFT.)

Sure we can talk prudence and easily outweigh the importance of keeping depth and continuity in forms of core extensions vs. a all-in-one approach in Revis, but the cap numbers & roster options suggest it is at least something worth, well, daydreaming about.

It's not signing Revis though - it's trading for him. So it's Talib + extensions + small signings vs Revis - draft picks (at least 2014's first, and probably a 2nd or 3rd in 2015 along with it). Revis is certainly a better player, but that's a heavy cost.

soxfan121 · Mar 4, 2014

SeoulSoxFan said:
So that actually means a choice between Talib + extension (McD?) + few small signings vs. Revis.

You've forgotten that pesky detail that Revis would require a trade.

The Bucs gave up #13 and at least a 4th round pick in 2014 (if Revis is traded before the third day of the new league year, it is a 4th; if he's with the Bucs after the third day of the league year, it becomes a 3rd rounder (7th in that round) due to the Jets)

I would think that #29 and a third/fourth rounder in either 2014 or 2015 would be the asking price.

I'd offer the 2014 2nd rounder (#62?) and a conditional second round pick in 2015 (if he makes the all-pro team - otherwise it is a 3rd rounder in 2015) and see if the Bucs are interested.

Ed Hillel · Mar 4, 2014

SeoulSoxFan said:
Thanks for pulling the numbers SF121.

I would have already assumed these four were not coming back. Siliga played much better at 1/5 the cost ($480k), Connolly & Kelly are starters but who make too much money (or coming off injury), and Wilson, well, I'd be shocked if he's on the roster for much longer as well.

Not to pick on you, SSF, but if Kelly comes back healthy and produces as he was before he got injured, having him at 2.1 million is a bargain. Provided the knee injury hasn't slowed him for good (which is a fair thing to ask, given his age), he definitely has a role on this team. If we're talking about long-term injury and age concerns, I'd personally focus way more on Wilfork. I personally wouldn't be all that upset to see him straight up cut. I think his ceiling at this point is league average, though I wouldn't be completley shocked if he proved me wrong.

As for Revis, given the thin depth at certain other position on the team and his knee issue, the cost is completely prohibitive for me. The only way it could work out is if Belichick had an A+++ draft full of players ready to step in and immediately fill some gaps.

( . ) ( . ) and (_!_) · Mar 4, 2014

$16M and the cost of draft picks for Revis feels way too much like too many eggs going into the same basket.

I'd rather see Talib for half that and some depth at TE, LB and DE.

Phragle · Mar 4, 2014

Super Nomario said:
It's not signing Revis though - it's trading for him. So it's Talib + extensions + small signings vs Revis - draft picks (at least 2014's first, and probably a 2nd or 3rd in 2015 along with it). Revis is certainly a better player, but that's a heavy cost.

soxfan121 said:
You've forgotten that pesky detail that Revis would require a trade.

The Bucs gave up #13 and at least a 4th round pick in 2014 (if Revis is traded before the third day of the new league year, it is a 4th; if he's with the Bucs after the third day of the league year, it becomes a 3rd rounder (7th in that round) due to the Jets)

I would think that #29 and a third/fourth rounder in either 2014 or 2015 would be the asking price.

I'd offer the 2014 2nd rounder (#62?) and a conditional second round pick in 2015 (if he makes the all-pro team - otherwise it is a 3rd rounder in 2015) and see if the Bucs are interested.

His contract is the elephant in the room. In theory his contract has no guaranteed money. Sounds like a good thing, right? It's not. The lack of guaranteed money inflates the AAV, but once you trade a high pick for him you sort of lock yourself into at least four years if healthy, or you wasted a high draft pick. In a way that 0 guaranteed contract balloons to 64M guarenteed.

I don't know why someone would put themselves in that position.

RedOctober3829 said:
@RapSheet: The #Cowboys contacted DeMarcus Ware today to let him know they definitely wanted to keep him. But not at $13M per year. Decision time.

I don't understand. Go ahead and cut him, Jerry.

RedOctober3829 · Mar 5, 2014

SeoulSoxFan said:
Well, well, well. La Canfora on Toucher & Rich says a 3rd rounder could be it to get Revis on board:

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/03/05/jason-la-canfora-to-toucher-rich-revis-can-be-had-for-a-third-round-pick/

Talib wants to get "top dollar". Revis (supposedly) can be had for a 3rd. Dream is ALIVE baby!

Honestly, it is. If Talib wants north of $10 million I'd rather have Revis at 16.

dcmissle · Mar 6, 2014

Concur, and also agree with Seoul's mindset of locking the defense down in a year with so many questions on the other side of the ball.

Not getting hopes up. They will probably fill the spot with Champ Bailey.

Stitch01 · Mar 6, 2014

He'd have to restructure for me to want to deal for him.

Would rather walk away from both and shore up the pass rush.

soxfan121 · Mar 6, 2014

Stitch01 said:
He'd have to restructure for me to want to deal for him.

Would rather walk away from both and shore up the pass rush.

With who? Bennett is going to command more in guaranteed money than either CB (remember, Revis' is $16M but nothing past 2014 is guaranteed) and Allen might be on 17th green and headed for 18.

southshoresoxfan · Mar 6, 2014

Would revis be open to a restructure where they guarenteed two years of his deal and spread it over maybe 5 years. Something like 5/60 w 32 guarenteed?

AlNipper49 · Mar 6, 2014

Thread starting

Ed Hillel · Mar 6, 2014

southshoresoxfan said:
Would revis be open to a restructure where they guarenteed two years of his deal and spread it over maybe 5 years. Something like 5/60 w 32 guarenteed?

Per Volin, and this is huge, he doesn't need to. Apparently, there is a clause in Revis' contract that allows his team to convert any amount of his base salary into a bonus, which would spread it out over the final 5 years of his deal. That is a game-changer.

There are 3 million left in roster bonuses for the year, so the Pats could theoretically convert his entire base into a bonus, and take a cap hit, this year, of 5.6 million for Revis. Or they could convert 10 of the 13 million into a bonus and pay 8 against the cap this year and spread out less in the future. I think the cotract runs like that for 5 more years in structure. Given that, ignore everything I said yesterday and go fucking get him. Yesterday.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/03/06/why-patriots-should-after-darrelle-revis/nr2wP7XEs2XqJnHx8OtJ4L/story.html

Ed Hillel · Mar 6, 2014

Sorry just saw this, so I will cross-post.

southshoresoxfan said:
Would revis be open to a restructure where they guarenteed two years of his deal and spread it over maybe 5 years. Something like 5/60 w 32 guarenteed?

Per Volin, and this is huge, he doesn't need to. Apparently, there is a clause in Revis' contract that allows his team to convert any amount of his base salary into a bonus, which would spread it out over the final 5 years of his deal. That is a game-changer.

There are 3 million left in roster bonuses for the year, so the Pats could theoretically convert his entire base into a bonus, and take a cap hit, this year, of 5.6 million for Revis. Or they could convert 10 of the 13 million into a bonus and pay 8 against the cap this year and spread out less in the future. I think the cotract runs like that for 5 more years in structure. Given that, ignore everything I said yesterday and go fucking get him. Yesterday.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/03/06/why-patriots-should-after-darrelle-revis/nr2wP7XEs2XqJnHx8OtJ4L/story.html

soxfan121 · Mar 6, 2014

First, let's make Nip happy or we won't get P&G back.

Ed Hillel said:
Per Volin, and this is huge, he doesn't need to. Apparently, there is a clause in Revis' contract that allows his team to convert any amount of his base salary into a bonus, which would spread it out over the final 5 years of his deal. That is a game-changer.

There are 3 million left in roster bonuses for the year, so the Pats could theoretically convert his entire base into a bonus, and take a cap hit, this year, of 5.6 million for Revis. Or they could convert 10 of the 13 million into a bonus and pay 8 against the cap this year and spread out less in the future. I think the cotract runs like that for 5 more years in structure. Given that, ignore everything I said yesterday and go fucking get him. Yesterday.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/03/06/why-patriots-should-after-darrelle-revis/nr2wP7XEs2XqJnHx8OtJ4L/story.html

Uh...WHAT?!?!?!

Combine the above with the speculation that SSF posted yesterday about the draft pick cost being a 3rd rounder....

I need to go lie down. And if this erection lasts more than four hours, I'm calling a physician.

RG33 · Mar 6, 2014

southshoresoxfan said:
Would revis be open to a restructure where they guarenteed two years of his deal and spread it over maybe 5 years. Something like 5/60 w 32 guarenteed?

As Volin noted in this story https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/03/06/why-patriots-should-after-darrelle-revis/nr2wP7XEs2XqJnHx8OtJ4L/story.html, Revis' contract has a clause that allows TB (or the Pats) to guarantee his money. If they guaranteed $10million this year, his cap hit would be $8million. Of course, they'd either have to restructure or cut him next year again (cap hit would be $18million). Still, there's hope. . . . .

EDIT: Beaten to the punch!

Corsi · Mar 6, 2014

To illustrate:

SirPsychoSquints · Mar 6, 2014

Ed Hillel said:
Per Volin, and this is huge, he doesn't need to. Apparently, there is a clause in Revis' contract that allows his team to convert any amount of his base salary into a bonus, which would spread it out over the final 5 years of his deal. That is a game-changer.

There are 3 million left in roster bonuses for the year, so the Pats could theoretically convert his entire base into a bonus, and take a cap hit, this year, of 5.6 million for Revis. Or they could convert 10 of the 13 million into a bonus and pay 8 against the cap this year and spread out less in the future. I think the cotract runs like that for 5 more years in structure. Given that, ignore everything I said yesterday and go fucking get him. Yesterday.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/03/06/why-patriots-should-after-darrelle-revis/nr2wP7XEs2XqJnHx8OtJ4L/story.html

I have a poor understanding of the NFL salary cap, so I'm sure this is a dumb question. If the team sees this clause as a big benefit, and the player stands to receive money early if the team exercises this clause, why wouldn't every single player contract have this clause?

RG33 · Mar 6, 2014

I mean this alone is somewhat of a pipedream still -- but coupled with potential extensions/restructuring/cuts of DMC, Vince, Ghost, et al, is it totally inconceivable that they could pull this off AND re-sign Talib to something in the 4 year $36 million range with $15-20 guaranteed?

crystalline · Mar 6, 2014

Why does that help? Converting to a bonus allows you to push the cap hit out into the future. The total amount of cash paid by the team and subject to cap is the same. The Pats don't work by living only in the now and pushing pai n out into the future.

Infield Infidel · Mar 6, 2014

crystalline said:
Why does that help? Converting to a bonus allows you to push the cap hit out into the future. The total amount of cash paid by the team and subject to cap is the same. The Pats don't work by living only in the now and pushing pai n out into the future.

Because the cap is growing very fast. After more-or-less plateauing the last few years, upcoming caps are projected to jump 5%-9% each year. (I just found this out yesterday)

Phil Plantier · Mar 6, 2014

Also, think of it less like pushing Revis' cap hit into the future and more like amortizing the Hernandez cap hit over multiple years (as well as granting additional time to successfully recover that cap expense)

soxfan121 · Mar 6, 2014

From the other thread:

SirPsychoSquints said:
I have a poor understanding of the NFL salary cap, so I'm sure this is a dumb question. If the team sees this clause as a big benefit, and the player stands to receive money early if the team exercises this clause, why wouldn't every single player contract have this clause?

Because this contract is unique. Truly. The guaranteed money in a contract has been the end-all, be-all in the salary cap era. Revis taking $16M guaranteed (the first year) and then having, essentially, a series of one-year $16M options just has not been done before.

Infield Infidel said:
Because the cap is growing very fast. After more-or-less plateauing the last few years, upcoming caps are projected to jump 5%-9% each year. (I just found this out yesterday)

And because Tom Brady is not going to play until he's 50. If they are ever going to GFIN, this is the time. Spending 2015 money now, when the cap is going to be ~$15M higher in 2015 finally makes sense.

Stitch01 · Mar 6, 2014

Yeah thats a gamechanger. I dont think the Pats cap can take something close to $16MM on this years cap, but they sure could do $6MM.

Corsi · Mar 6, 2014

From Volin's column:

The Patriots currently sit with $12.7 million in cap space for 2014, and can create an extra $9.2 million by cutting Dan Connolly, Isaac Sopoaga, Tommy Kelly, Adrian Wilson, and Jake Bequette. They can create even more space by giving contract extensions to Vince Wilfork, Devin McCourty, and Stephen Gostkowski.

crystalline · Mar 6, 2014

Here's the Volin article.

He says "In summation, with Revis you’re looking at cap numbers of $8 million and $18 million if he’s great [ed: for two years of play], or $8 million, $2 million, and $6 million [ed: for one year of play] if he's less than great.".
One additional point: after one year, you can threaten to cut him. The goal would be to get him to accept a lower restructure, but his option is to take his chances on FA, so he'd have to drop off a lot for the team to have that negotiating power.

Yes, the cap increasing helps - it essentially devalues all current contracts relative to guys that sign now and in the future (by say 5-10%). And I guess you can look at Revis as a vehicle that allows you to amortize other cap hits (Hernandez); that helps but if that were the sole goal they could do the same math with players on the roster now.

Do you think he's worth $8M this year and $18M next?
I think this is a barely plausible scenario. Barely. With Volin stirring the pot.

DJnVa · Mar 6, 2014

Of course, this makes it easier for multiple teams to make a run at him, not just NE.

bankshot1 · Mar 6, 2014

So the Revis cost is potentially $8MM +$18MM + whatever draft picks etc that actually have to be traded to TB?

This doesn't sound like BB's value MO.

This sounds like Volin filler for a slow week

crystalline · Mar 6, 2014

bankshot1 said:
So the Revis cost is potentially $8MM +$18MM + whatever draft picks etc that actually have to be traded to TB?

This doesn't sound like BB's value MO.

This sounds like Volin filler for a slow week

I will say, though, that the Pats need a #1 CB, and they are likely going to be paying Talib $9-12M for both the next few years (caveat: others may have a better estimate on this). If you think about it as $4-7M or so per year to upgrade from Talib to Revis it sounds a little better.

What is infinitely more likely is Bill signing Champ Bailey on the cheap to be this year's Adrian Wilson. With hopefully much better on-field performance. (I know Champ is slightly cooked like a medium rare steak, but he might have a little left as a veteran backup.)

BannedbyNYYFans.com · Mar 6, 2014

Along with the Patriots, the Broncos are rumored to have interest as well. And LaCanfora is reporting that they're cutting Champ Bailey, which will free up $10M in cap space.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/05/report-broncos-to-release-champ-bailey/

lexrageorge · Mar 6, 2014

SirPsychoSquints said:
I have a poor understanding of the NFL salary cap, so I'm sure this is a dumb question. If the team sees this clause as a big benefit, and the player stands to receive money early if the team exercises this clause, why wouldn't every single player contract have this clause?

Revis did take a bit of a gamble that he would be healthy and effective in 2013. If he wasn't, Tampa could have cut him and he could have ended up making less guaranteed money. Most players aren't in the same position as Revis. There's probably about 10 players in the league that could do this; most would prefer to get their guaranteed money up front, especially given the likelihood of injury.

Take as an example Talib. Let's say he took a similar contract ($$ would be less, but assume the structure is the same). If he ends up being hurt again most of the year, or if his hip injury turns out to be a Mike Napoli type injury, he would be cut after 2014. However, he probably has a chance to get more guaranteed money up front right now, for what could be his last and best hope for a big pay day.

soxfan121 · Mar 6, 2014

crystalline said:
I will say, though, that the Pats need a #1 CB, and they are likely going to be paying Talib $9-12M for both the next few years (caveat: others may have a better estimate on this). If you think about it as $4-7M or so per year to upgrade from Talib to Revis it sounds a little better.

What is infinitely more likely is Bill signing Champ Bailey on the cheap to be this year's Adrian Wilson. With hopefully much better on-field performance. (I know Champ is slightly cooked like a medium rare steak, but he might have a little left as a veteran backup.)

Brent Grimes just got 4 years, $32M, with $16M guaranteed. That's where Talib's agent STARTS his negotiation.

Given this info on the contract clause, the choice is paying Talib's one healthy hip $16M guaranteed over four years or trading a 2nd or 3rd round pick and paying Revis $24M guaranteed for three years.

Revis is healthier and better than Talib.

Ed Hillel · Mar 6, 2014

bankshot1 said:
So the Revis cost is potentially $8MM +$18MM + whatever draft picks etc that actually have to be traded to TB?

This doesn't sound like BB's value MO.

This sounds like Volin filler for a slow week

The 18 million next year assumes two things. First, that he's playing well enough to keep him at 16 million of that price. Second, that the Pats can't do the same thing next year with the base money. My guess is they probably can. Sure, that mortgages a bit more of the future, but the cap will still be rising remember. The beauty of it is that BB can look at the roster and Revis' 2014 season and make the decision accordingly. The 3% or so of the cap space in 2016-19 may well be worth Revis in his prime for a couple seasons of Brady's twilight years.

SirPsychoSquints · Mar 6, 2014

lexrageorge said:
Revis did take a bit of a gamble that he would be healthy and effective in 2013. If he wasn't, Tampa could have cut him and he could have ended up making less guaranteed money. Most players aren't in the same position as Revis. There's probably about 10 players in the league that could do this; most would prefer to get their guaranteed money up front, especially given the likelihood of injury.

Take as an example Talib. Let's say he took a similar contract ($$ would be less, but assume the structure is the same). If he ends up being hurt again most of the year, or if his hip injury turns out to be a Mike Napoli type injury, he would be cut after 2014. However, he probably has a chance to get more guaranteed money up front right now, for what could be his last and best hope for a big pay day.

OK - but what I'm missing is this - many/most players have some amount of non-guaranteed money in their contract - Brady appears to have ~$24M non-guaranteed. Why wouldn't both he and the Patriots prefer to attach this clause to these non-guaranteed amounts?

Shelterdog · Mar 6, 2014

SirPsychoSquints said:
OK - but what I'm missing is this - many/most players have some amount of non-guaranteed money in their contract - Brady appears to have ~$24M non-guaranteed. Why wouldn't both he and the Patriots prefer to attach this clause to these non-guaranteed amounts?

I'm not quite sure I follow. Once you turn non-guaranteed money into a bonus the money becomes guaranteed.

crystalline · Mar 6, 2014

Ed Hillel said:
[sf121]: Given this info on the contract clause, the choice is paying Talib's one healthy hip $16M guaranteed over four years or trading a 2nd or 3rd round pick and paying Revis $24M guaranteed for three years.

The 18 million next year assumes two things. First, that he's playing well enough to keep him at 16 million of that price. Second, that the Pats can't do the same thing next year with the base money. My guess is they probably can. Sure, that mortgages a bit more of the future, but the cap will still be rising remember. The beauty of it is that BB can look at the roster and Revis' 2014 season and make the decision accordingly. The 3% or so of the cap space in 2016-19 may well be worth Revis in his prime for a couple seasons of Brady's twilight years.

The Revis number is not $24M guaranteed over three years. His contract is $16M/per for four years. If you want him for three years, you have to pay him $48M (as long as he continues to play at a high enough level to go get a decent FA contract if you threaten to cut or force restructure, but do you want him anyway if he's playing badly?). That $48M can be converted to bonuses to push money back to be paid in later years, but you still have to pay it.
If you want him for two years, you have to pay him $32M. That $8M+18M floated above by Volin is incomplete: it's really $8M+$18+$2+$4M or so with bonus money coming due in later years (last two numbers may be incorrect but are approximately right.) If you want him for one year, you have to pay him $16M: $8+$2+$6M as Volin states.

As for the 2nd bolded: Just think about it in terms of what he's due when cut after year 1, when cut after year 2, etc.
3rd bolded: You're just advocating pushing pain back into later years and making a go-for-it-now/Brady's prime argument. We've been over this elsewhere, but it doesn't sound like BB's MO to me.

crystalline · Mar 6, 2014

Oh god, I just realized that Revis is going to be the Larry Fitzgerald of this offseason.

Hendu for Kutch · Mar 6, 2014

I'm not seeing where this is a big deal. Has a player ever had a problem with turning non-guaranteed money into guaranteed money? Like if Tampa, without the benefit of this contract clause, came to Revis and said "We'd like to guarantee your salary for next season", why would he ever say no? He gets his money for the season even if he loses a leg tomorrow, and also gets the bonus of making it harder for the team to cut him going forward.

And if we did go through with it, it would surely provide some relief this year, but it would lead to one of two things starting next season and going forward. Absurdly high cap numbers ($20 million or more) or an enormous cap hit to cut him since most of the original $16M that was guarnteed would get accelerated. Even if split between two years, that's going to be a ton of cap space taken for someone who isn't even on the team anymore.

What am I missing here?

SirPsychoSquints · Mar 6, 2014

Shelterdog said:
I'm not quite sure I follow. Once you turn non-guaranteed money into a bonus the money becomes guaranteed.

Yes - I'm talking about the option to turn non-guaranteed money into a bonus, as opposed to actually exercising the option. The Revis contract appears to have this option in it, while most contracts do not have this option.

Otto · Mar 6, 2014

Because it helps the team manage their cap, if they so desire - and if the team so desires, the other party to the contract (the player) wants to be in position to obtain an additional benefit in return, not just the one the team wants. That would be true in any contract negotiation setting.

Shelterdog · Mar 6, 2014

SirPsychoSquints said:
Yes - I'm talking about the option to turn non-guaranteed money into a bonus, as opposed to actually exercising the option. The Revis contract appears to have this option in it, while most contracts do not have this option.

I think Otto's answer largely explains it, but it also seems that players are pretty amenable to turning non-guaranteed salary into a bonus because (1) heh money up front and (2) pushing cap hits into future years can make it harder to cut the player in the future.

RedOctober3829 · Mar 6, 2014

crystalline said:
Oh god, I just realized that Revis is going to be the Larry Fitzgerald of this offseason.

Except there is an actual chance of Revis being traded.

dcmissle · Mar 6, 2014

BannedbyNYYFans.com said:
Along with the Patriots, the Broncos are rumored to have interest as well. And LaCanfora is reporting that they're cutting Champ Bailey, which will free up $10M in cap space.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/05/report-broncos-to-release-champ-bailey/

Don't know the Broncos cap situation, but this would be entirely in keeping with how Elway has run the team. GFIN with Manning. Would plug their biggest defensive weakness.

ElcaballitoMVP · Mar 6, 2014

Man, I just don't know. On the one hand, it's Revis. He's still playing at an elite level, so while you're paying top dollar, you're getting one of, if not the best CB in the league.

But I don't know if that 3rd round draft pick is really that accurate of a price for him. From what I've read, that comment was made before Volin came out with the info. that the numbers aren't as bad as we first thought. Tampa knows this and so does the rest of the league, so I'd expect them to start by asking for a 1st and move down from there (settling for a 2nd and maybe another later/future pick). So what is the cost in picks really going to be? If it's reasonable, you're going to get offers from other contenders like Denver. Second, it's Revis. This guy is notorious for grabbing top dollar and has never shown an indication that he's willing to take less money to play somewhere. So getting him to restructure the deal isn't very likely. You're probably going to pay him $16M per season someway, whether you pay it all now or kick the can down the road as Volin suggests. That's a lot of dough for one guy.

It's a tough call. I'd lean towards BB not being willing to pony up the picks and cap space for one guy, but if they made the move I'd be doing back flips. You'd get a true #1 with less of an injury concern than Talib. The team would still have Dennard, Arrington and Ryan at the position and all of a sudden that defense is looking pretty damn good. Probably nothing more than a pipe dream, but it's fun to talk about.

Edit: Great, now I can't stop thinking about adding a DT like Donald, Jernigan, or Hageman in the 1st and trading for Revis. :fap:

( . ) ( . ) and (_!_) · Mar 6, 2014

crystalline said:
Oh god, I just realized that Revis is going to be the Larry Fitzgerald of this offseason.

RedOctober3829 said:
Except there is an actual chance of Revis being traded.

And there have been rumors about the Bucs being unsure if Mike Glennon is their QB of the future under Lovie Smith. A 2nd or 3rd round pick spent on a QB from the Bucs this year would not be a surprise at all.

Mallet for Revis!!!!

Revis Island to be annexed to Foxboro?

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