Rethinking Barstool?

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He did 2 shows. Saturday & Sunday night.
I saw clips of this online. It was pretty much a campaign rally event. Not the ideal place to be if you are also currently struggling with mental illness. Hope he gets the help he needs for good this time.

On a side note: I am absolutely amazed by Kirk's following. It's legit.
 
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Evidence?
Does Pete Frates's condition quality as an example of decency?
Portnoy was helping raise money for Pete years before BS took off. Maybe give him a nod in this regard?
Frates was diagnosed in 2012. Barstool has existed since 2003. Not sure how the bolded computes.

Portnoy may have helped raise money for Frates and ALS research. That's great. Lots of scumbags have done charitable acts. Doesn't make him any less of a scumbag.
 

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Frates was diagnosed in 2012. Barstool has existed since 2003. Not sure how the bolded computes.

Portnoy may have helped raise money for Frates and ALS research. That's great. Lots of scumbags have done charitable acts. Doesn't make him any less of a scumbag.
 

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Evidence?
Does Pete Frates's condition quality as an example of decency?
Portnoy was helping raise money for Pete years before BS took off. Maybe give him a nod in this regard?
he also has raised money for fallen police officers as well. Let’s stop with this bigcat is upset shit. Go watch the behind the scenes of the White House visit. CEO Erika Nardini was there in Washington too. This isn’t some rouge mission by portnoy to do this on his own.
 

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he also has raised money for fallen police officers as well. Let’s stop with this bigcat is upset shit. Go watch the behind the scenes of the White House visit. CEO Erika Nardini was there in Washington too. This isn’t some rouge mission by portnoy to do this on his own.
This.

Barstool has determined that their growth is going to come from an audience with whom they have been flirting with for years now.

As troubling as it is for some people, its likely a sound business decision.
 

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Frates was diagnosed in 2012. Barstool has existed since 2003. Not sure how the bolded computes.
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Has Peter Frate's work for ALS benefited from Dave's contribution? Yes.

Scumbags doing charitable acts. Lol. Let's see your contribution to charity? Guarantee you don't have even a sliver of contribution to the greater good
 

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I'm not the brightest guy, but calling out any SoSH member for "not contributing to any charity" seems like you are trying to get dunked on.
 

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Has Peter Frate's work for ALS benefited from Dave's contribution? Yes.

Scumbags doing charitable acts. Lol. Let's see your contribution to charity? Guarantee you don't have even a sliver of contribution to the greater good
Does not being a prick count as "contributing to the greater good" or is money the only measure?
 

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Does not being a prick count as "contributing to the greater good" or is money the only measure?
To be fair I could've worded my response in a more eloquent manner, but the point stands. I'm not a BS or Portnoy cheerleader as they've had enough controversial behavior to argue about, but I have seen their charitable side which is often overlooked, imo. Lots of good people trying to do good work to help others.
 

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To be fair I could've worded my response in a more eloquent manner, but the point stands. I'm not a BS or Portnoy cheerleader as they've had enough controversial behavior to argue about, but I have seen their charitable side which is often overlooked, imo. Lots of good people trying to do good work to help others.
I haven’t done an exhaustive survey, but I think one of the only people on the planet with money, means, influence and/or access who has done nothing for charity is the man Portnoy met last week.

Ted Bundy saved a kid from drowning. Not being an asshole in all ways on all days doesn’t really mitigate being a toxic, misogynistic, racist shithead.

And no I’m not comparing Portnoy to Ted Bundy, obviously.
 

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To be fair I could've worded my response in a more eloquent manner, but the point stands. I'm not a BS or Portnoy cheerleader as they've had enough controversial behavior to argue about, but I have seen their charitable side which is often overlooked, imo. Lots of good people trying to do good work to help others.
I wonder why that charitable side has been “overlooked”?

I mean, guys, why won’t you even *acknowledge* the good Whitey Bulger did for his community?
 

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It’s surely a function of cost, but Portnoy could make it difficult and drag the process out if he chose to do so. If someone was willing to “make them whole” financially, both Barstool and Big Cat, then it could happen.

Disney now owns ESPN and Fox so seeing them buying Big Cat out of his Barstool contract to do something multi-platform for either network would probably be a snap of the fingers for them.
Someone I'm close to (know her from B-school) left her job as a semi-bigwig at a professional services firm to take a bigwig job at a somewhat-competing firm. While the former was trying to persuade her to stay, their executives told her, verbally, that as long as she didn't try to take a few specific clients or poach talent, they'd go along with it and not give her a fuss over the noncompete. She held up her end of that verbal agreement. 6 months later, they sued, denied any such thing was ever said, and it was 5 years and well over a million dollars in attorneys' fees before she won (with the judge proclaiming in the order that he credited her recollection of events). In the meantime, she suffered frequent panic attacks, dreaded holidays like Christmas and Thanksgiving because her former employer had a deliberate habit of making grotesque filings the day before major holidays, and publicly dragged her name through the mud, collectively taking years off her life.

"Portnoy could make it difficult" is an enormous understatement. Hell hath no fury like a vengeful, amoral man-child scorned, at least not one who has tons of money and lawyers and thinks it profitable to publicly feud with anyone at any time.

And no I’m not comparing Portnoy to Ted Bundy, obviously.
Yeah, that would be really unfair, Bundy only ruined ~30 lives.
 

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Someone I'm close to (know her from B-school) left her job as a semi-bigwig at a professional services firm to take a bigwig job at a somewhat-competing firm. While the former was trying to persuade her to stay, their executives told her, verbally, that as long as she didn't try to take a few specific clients or poach talent, they'd go along with it and not give her a fuss over the noncompete. She held up her end of that verbal agreement. 6 months later, they sued, denied any such thing was ever said, and it was 5 years and well over a million dollars in attorneys' fees before she won (with the judge proclaiming in the order that he credited her recollection of events). In the meantime, she suffered frequent panic attacks, dreaded holidays like Christmas and Thanksgiving because her former employer had a deliberate habit of making grotesque filings the day before major holidays, and publicly dragged her name through the mud, collectively taking years off her life.

"Portnoy could make it difficult" is an enormous understatement. Hell hath no fury like a vengeful, amoral man-child scorned, at least not one who has tons of money and lawyers and thinks it profitable to publicly feud with anyone at any time.


Yeah, that would be really unfair, Bundy only ruined ~30 lives.
What state and when? We repped a company who had multiple execs poached by a direct rival, including one who got caught red-handed lying to the judge about downloading a huge tranche of trade secrets before exiting her position in NY to work for the rival, international company based in LA and we settled on a 6 month hiatus because even with the perjury no NY judge was going to put someone out of work for much longer than that.
 

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Has Peter Frate's work for ALS benefited from Dave's contribution? Yes.
That wasn’t the question, right? You were factually wrong, right?

Scumbags doing charitable acts. Lol. Let's see your contribution to charity? Guarantee you don't have even a sliver of contribution to the greater good
I’m sorry, do you think that scumbags doing high profile charitable or philanthropic work is some strange and unique concept?

I’m just trying to figure out which reality I’m going to need to center my next response in.
 

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That wasn’t the question, right? You were factually wrong, right?



I’m sorry, do you think that scumbags doing high profile charitable or philanthropic work is some strange and unique concept?

I’m just trying to figure out which reality I’m going to need to center my next response in.
You ever visit the Met when you come down here? The stuff in the Sackler wing is really amazing.
 

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What state and when? We repped a company who had multiple execs poached by a direct rival, including one who got caught red-handed lying to the judge about downloading a huge tranche of trade secrets before exiting her position in NY to work for the rival, international company based in LA and we settled on a 6 month hiatus because even with the perjury no NY judge was going to put someone out of work for much longer than that.
To echo this, I've done a decent amount of restrictive covenants litigation and having a litigation drag on in that context for 5 years seems unlikely, since if the noncompete is shorter than that the case would presumably be mooted after the noncompete expired anyway. Usually the course of events is a suit for a preliminary injunction barring the employee from working for some limited amount of time, and then 9 times out of 10 the parties reach a settlement pretty quickly.

If the case did truly go on for 5 years, I assume there were other allegations involved - for example maybe she was seeking severance pay, stock options, etc. that the company was trying to withhold or claw back. In any event, none of this really affects the fundamental point that Portnoy could make things difficult for Big Cat if he left. Of course, Big Cat could avoid all of that by just honoring whatever non-competes he has, or his new employer could just pay off Barstool if they wanted Big Cat to work immediately. Those kinds of negotiations happen all of the time and would be simplified here by the fact that there aren't really any "trade secrets" or "clients" that Big Cat might poach, which is usually the sticking point in these kinds of employment disputes.
 

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To echo this, I've done a decent amount of restrictive covenants litigation and having a litigation drag on in that context for 5 years seems unlikely, since if the noncompete is shorter than that the case would presumably be mooted after the noncompete expired anyway. Usually the course of events is a suit for a preliminary injunction barring the employee from working for some limited amount of time, and then 9 times out of 10 the parties reach a settlement pretty quickly.

If the case did truly go on for 5 years, I assume there were other allegations involved - for example maybe she was seeking severance pay, stock options, etc. that the company was trying to withhold or claw back. In any event, none of this really affects the fundamental point that Portnoy could make things difficult for Big Cat if he left. Of course, Big Cat could avoid all of that by just honoring whatever non-competes he has, or his new employer could just pay off Barstool if they wanted Big Cat to work immediately. Those kinds of negotiations happen all of the time and would be simplified here by the fact that there aren't really any "trade secrets" or "clients" that Big Cat might poach, which is usually the sticking point in these kinds of employment disputes.
Plus, from what I recall, when you’re in a position that has nationwide scope like Big Cat, noncompetes are going to only be enforceable so far as they’re super limited in scope (time). If he were part of a practice in say North Jersey and the noncompete said he couldn’t work in the same field in the tristate area.... maybe? But, no court is going to tell someone they can’t ply their trade for more than a few months, especially if they’re buying out the contract. And you can’t have internet writer/podcaster only publish/broadcast in like Uzbekistan for a year.

As you said, most restrictive covenant law now, at least in CA and NY is focused on trade secrets/customer lists. Nobody is really be forced to sit at home growing old and not contributing to society anymore.
 

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Why in the world would Big Cat want to leave Barstool for ESPN / Disney or any other media outlet? One major difference between Barstool and other media outlets, he can openly disagree with his leaders, such as Portnoy, with no concern about being censored. On top of it, Barstool has probably the best CEO in the business, Erika Nardini. They disagree over the interview. Aired it out openly and can move on. I think people root for Barstool to fail however that isnt happening. Ironically, majority of Barstool talent actually leans more left than right. I think Portnoy is definitely in the minority.

I see no reason why he would leave.
 

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Normally don't have much to say about someone's physical appearance, but Suitman is one strange lookin' fella.
 

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So Sofia from Call Her Daddy pretty much made the worst business decision in podcast history huh?
 

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Most definitely. She was clearly not the brains behind the duo at all and I'd be stunned to see her relevant again.
And I just saw something on Twitter of how Miley Cyrus is a special guest this week on CHD. Sounds like Alex has definitely moved on and to a higher level!
 

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Normally don't have much to say about someone's physical appearance, but Suitman is one strange lookin' fella.
Looks like someone started to sketch a a handsome man from his his jaw up but misjudged the size of his pad. As well as the distance between a human's eyes.
 

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Dion Sanders is joining barstool. Contracted ended with NFL network and making the move. Interested to seeing how he will fit in since they are primarily podcast and website.
 

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Sounds like he’s going to have his own podcast and he is going to join PMT during the football season.

They must have thrown a ton of money at him for him to basically walk from NFLN at the drop of a hat and sign up for podcasts.
 

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I suspect its low risk for Barstool but, NFL-content aside, does he really fit with their brand/demo? I can't imagine he brings any sort of gambling angle and the dude is 53 years old. I am struggling to see the fit for him more than Barstool. They get his name which is good but I wonder what sort of audience he will draw for his own material.
 

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I suspect its low risk for Barstool but, NFL-content aside, does he really fit with their brand/demo? I can't imagine he brings any sort of gambling angle and the dude is 53 years old. I am struggling to see the fit for him more than Barstool. They get his name which is good but I wonder what sort of audience he will draw for his own material.
Unrelated in the sports world but they hired Jim Florentine about eight months ago which also seemed like a head scratcher. Older stand up comic who is well respected in the comedy world, but not sure what the appeal to a young BS audience would be.
To be fair, imo he's funny as heck when I've heard him on other comedy podcasts like JRE or Coco Diaz. Just has hilarious stories about his early 20's, working (not working), picking up chicks, partying. But his current podcast that he's had for several years is just him basically being a grouch at stupid Facebook or other social stuff.
 

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I suspect its low risk for Barstool but, NFL-content aside, does he really fit with their brand/demo? I can't imagine he brings any sort of gambling angle and the dude is 53 years old. I am struggling to see the fit for him more than Barstool. They get his name which is good but I wonder what sort of audience he will draw for his own material.
I think they want to build their Sunday football brand. Agree he doesn't add to their gambling angle however barstool isn't just about gambling (well a lot of it is but not all of it). not sure if it is a benefit but interesting.
 

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I suspect its low risk for Barstool but, NFL-content aside, does he really fit with their brand/demo? I can't imagine he brings any sort of gambling angle and the dude is 53 years old. I am struggling to see the fit for him more than Barstool. They get his name which is good but I wonder what sort of audience he will draw for his own material.
The muzzle will finally come off of Deion as he will be able to say whatever he wants. He couldn't do that at the NFL Network. Now you will be able to see the real Deion.
 

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Is that a good or a bad thing?
After 30 years in the media spotlight in some capacity (player and analyst), is it really likely that Deion has held something back? Something that can only be set free by joining the jackass brigade (a.k.a. Barstool)? Doubtful.
 

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After 30 years in the media spotlight in some capacity (player and analyst), is it really likely that Deion has held something back? Something that can only be set free by joining the jackass brigade (a.k.a. Barstool)? Doubtful.
Well, he has a proven ability to con the easily-connable, so I like his chances of finding a way to squeeze some extra cash out of the Stoolies. Based on what I've seen on NFLN, his football analysis is mostly yelling and bluster -- exactly the kind of thing the PMT guys make fun of when they do their Boomer-and-TJ impressions. I really don't see him fitting in well on PMT, but I'm not the target audience, so who knows.