Myt1 said:
No. You've been pointing that out while simultaneously tying yourself in knots to draw every possible conclusion in favor of the Remy's but against the Martels.
Since when have I been spending my entire time trying to find angles to conclude against the Martels? I mentioned them
once in the context that there is no reason to automatically conclude they are the best equipped to raise Arianna, but I did not slam the door on them. All we know about them is that they moved to Virginia without their 17 year old daughter, and that Jennifer was the first person in the family to get through high school. Thats all. They very well could be great people who had to deal with hardship the best they could, but me saying I wasnt sure how well-equipped they are to raise a child, and that Ill defer to the court which actually will see more information on both parties, is not at all unreasonable and did not require me tying myself in knots.
Myt1 said:
I mean, in the same post you conclude that the Martels don't value education in the basis of one anecdote
Ill grant you that saying they dont value education might have been a bit harsh, but the actual point was that everyone is outraged that the Remys dare seek custody over a family that featured one high school graduate who only achieved said diploma after being left behind by the parents. I merely suggested that we might not be in a good position from here to know the best place for Arianna. Others suggested that since the Remys son was the one who committed the murder, obviously that by itself should be enough to settle it.
Myt1 said:
while grasping at straws and suggesting that the Remys weren't actually interested in obtaining the order they sought from the court, but merely wanted to have a role in their grandchild's life (instead of taking the apparently esoteric step of simply asking for visitation in the first place).
Did you not see where I said this:
redsahx said:
Just playing devil's advocate here because I don't know the true intentions of the Remy's in this matter and do believe the Martel's are the better option (snip) .
Someone with background on family court matters can straighten me out here, but if they make no attempt at custody and allow the Martel's uncontested full custody, is it more likely the Martel's can then cut them off from their granddaughter? Could this simply be a means for them to ensure they get at least some visitation or partial custody rights?
Those would be questions. In other words I was clearly asking people trained in the art of law (
Hey are there any lawyers in this forum?) if it is possible that a tactic for the Remys would be to petition for full custody as a starting point as a better way of ensuring they at least get visitation rights. I have not studied family law and no one had really touched on this yet so I raised a question and quite clearly acknowledged that someone more informed on the subject could shed better light. I thought I was clear in not claiming to know what the actual motivation of the Remy family was here. What exactly is wrong with this?
Myt1 said:
It's also cute that you're steadfastly ignoring the fact that Phoebe Remy promised to protect Martell and failed to do so, too. I know, it's an inconvenient fact when you're using solipsism to set one bar while wish casting to set the other.
You mean like when I said the following:
redsahx said:
I do think Phoebe's reasoning and apparent actions those final two days make no sense, and I'd like to know why Jared's sister was able to detect how dangerous the situation was but not the mother.
which by the way was an unprompted reference to that fact on my part because it hasnt been the main topic at issue during any of my posts. I havent questioned anyone for being critical of Phoebes actions there because I actually agree with any such criticisms.
Is there a reason you are steadfastly ignoring my request to elaborate more on how specifically you believe the Remys, through their parenting techniques, instilled the capability for bludgeoning a woman in broad daylight while fighting off the neighbors? Id really like to know what extra information or insight you have on this.
Myt1 said:
And if the Remys care so much about paying for an education for their granddaughter and that's their motivation for seeking custody,
Timeout. When did I ever say that it was? It was clearly a hypothetical when I mentioned it. In other words, if they believed they could provide better resources, wouldnt that be one of multiple possible explanation for wanting to stay more involved? However.
Myt1 said:
exactly which part of not seeking custody would prohibit them from establishing an educational trust or otherwise paying for her education anyway?
I suggested the primary motivation might be to maintain a meaningful relationship with their granddaughter. I think merely being the funding source for college, while a nice contribution, doesnt count as having a meaningful relationship.
Myt1 said:
I mean, besides your straw man false equivalency between not seeking custody and being completely cut off from their grandchild.
I dispute that it actually was a straw man given some of the comments made by other posters. In any event, you say I was using a false equivalency, yet you claim that me merely suggesting it is not clear that the Martels would be better equipped to raise Arianna means I was looking to draw every possible conclusion against the Martels. No, I simply raised some questions, and have been far less judgmental about people than most here.