Remy returning to the booth

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Come Back Jerry!  All is forgiven after Psycho last night!
 
One psycho possibly destroys Remy's career; another unintentionally preserves it.
 

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I'm happily on an island on this one. I much prefer Psycho to the Rem-dog. Jerry checked out years ago, and the added baggage of his family turmoil was the tipping point.
This is exactly how I feel. Island is alone no more.
 

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It isn't that Lyons provided poor analysis, irrelevant sidebars, or boring stories. Because he really didn't.
 
It's that he just WOULD NOT SHUT THE FLYING FUCK UP.
 

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I swear to God I must have been the only person to listen to Alex Speier do color for the Sox in spring training...
 
Edit: Wait--I think SF121 did too.
 
Speier was on WEEI during the game Lyons broadcast. It wasn't much in the way of info or time, but he sounded fine. 
 

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I heard Speer do the radio during the one game as well He was decent and informative but I'm not sure I'd want him for all 150 games or so.
 

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It isn't that Lyons provided poor analysis, irrelevant sidebars, or boring stories. Because he really didn't.
 
It's that he just WOULD NOT SHUT THE FLYING FUCK UP.
 
That's what working in the same market as Vin Scully will do to you... learning incessant/repetitive babble from The Master, Psycho made up for lost time...
 

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The other night some guy held up a sign about it being his 21st b-day and asking Remy for a hot dog. Remy said something like "I don't have any money for hot dogs". It took about .03 seconds for the "lots of legal bills, eh?" joke to be made in our house. I didn't look in the game thread but I ASSume it was made there too. And probably all across New England.
 

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The other night some guy held up a sign about it being his 21st b-day and asking Remy for a hot dog. Remy said something like "I don't have any money for hot dogs". It took about .03 seconds for the "lots of legal bills, eh?" joke to be made in our house. I didn't look in the game thread but I ASSume it was made there too. And probably all across New England.
Caught that as well and thought the same exact thing. Kinda' strange for him to even say that. Freudian slip? Perhaps some awkward thinking out loud?
 

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The Napkin said:
The other night some guy held up a sign about it being his 21st b-day and asking Remy for a hot dog. Remy said something like "I don't have any money for hot dogs". It took about .03 seconds for the "lots of legal bills, eh?" joke to be made in our house. I didn't look in the game thread but I ASSume it was made there too. And probably all across New England.
 
Wow. Can't believe NESN didn't fire him on the spot.
 

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Thank you, I appreciate the compliment, but let's try to stay on topic, fella.
 
Enough.
 
Jesus.
 

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Please don't take HIS name in vain. But I agree Mr. Keeps is on a short leash.
 
Thank you for your approval of whatever leash is given.
 
I'll use the language I want though.
 

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I don't think this has yet been posted.
 
The Globe did a report on Sunday with the first interview with the Martels. 
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/05/17/planning-escape-jennifer-martel-said-days-before-death/ZKlTo1nRsvR1QQzdWje6mJ/story.html
 
Most of the new information is about how controlling Jared was. 
 
Remy belittled the Martel family as “trailer trash,” ordered the women to their rooms for mandatory naps, and forbade them to eat until he declared it was time, said Patty Martel.
 
The Martels visited their daughter about once a year after that. Remy made no secret of his distaste for them and refused to allow them to meet his own parents. “He didn’t want us to embarrass him,” Patty said, remembering Remy’s frequent critique of the Martel clan: “They’re fat, they’re gross, they’re lazy, they smoke, they smell.”
 
The Martels remained silent for months after the killing, wary of jeopardizing a three-way court battle for guardianship of Arianna, now 5. That case was settled by a sealed agreement this spring that called for Jennifer’s brother, Brian Jr., and his wife, Andrea, to raise Arianna with their children — the little girl’s first cousins —while granting both sets of grandparents visitation rights.
 
They are angry at the court system and the Middlesex prosecutors who did not hold Remy last summer or in his numerous previous brushes with the law, but they are mostly forgiving of his family. They know the Remys loved Jennifer and Arianna; Patty thinks they simply misjudged Jared, believing their son had stabilized after several years without a violent arrest.
“I don’t know,” Brian said. “I know they know their son’s past. . . . I think there should’ve been more caution taken.”
Though they understand why the Remys wanted guardianship of Arianna, they wished they had not pressed the case. The custody battle meant the girl spent seven months in state care and grew attached to her foster mother — bringing another kind of loss after the trauma of witnessing her mother get killed, Patty said.
 
 

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I don't think this has yet been posted.
 
The Globe did a report on Sunday with the first interview with the Martels. 
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/05/17/planning-escape-jennifer-martel-said-days-before-death/ZKlTo1nRsvR1QQzdWje6mJ/story.html
 
Most of the new information is about how controlling Jared was. 
 
"Remy’s frequent critique of the Martel clan: “They’re fat, they’re gross, they’re lazy, they smoke, they smell.”"
Jerry could very well be talking about himself.
 

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"Remy’s frequent critique of the Martel clan: “They’re fat, they’re gross, they’re lazy, they smoke, they smell.”"
Jerry could very well be talking about himself.
Let's be careful not to mix up our Remys...
 

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Why would he plead guilty to first degree?  What would he have to lose by going to trial then?
 

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Why would he plead guilty to first degree? What would he have to lose by going to trial then?
Perhaps he realized the affect a trial would have on his family. There's NFW he was going to get off.

Jerry no longer has his son's trial hanging over his head and can move on with his life.
 

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I hope he considered the effect it would have on the Martells as well.  Hopefully they can move on from this too.
 
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Well thank god Jerry won't be further inconvenienced by the monster he set loose on the world. 
 
I'm not sure Jerry has asked for sympathy, but regardless, I'm pretty sure that adults bear some responsibility for their own actions, too.  Other than those recognized as mentally incompetent by the State, I suppose, which isn't even argued as being the case here.  Either way, while Jerry Remy isn't up for sainthood anytime soon, I'm still having a hard time visiting the sins of the father upon the son.
 
I would sincerely like to hear a non-snarky explanation of why people are allocating blame to Remy Senior here, rather than just viewing him as a (very interested) bystander to a crime and tragedy.
 

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I'm not sure Jerry has asked for sympathy, but regardless, I'm pretty sure that adults bear some responsibility for their own actions, too.  Other than those recognized as mentally incompetent by the State, I suppose, which isn't even argued as being the case here.  Either way, while Jerry Remy isn't up for sainthood anytime soon, I'm still having a hard time visiting the sins of the father upon the son.
 
I would sincerely like to hear a non-snarky explanation of why people are allocating blame to Remy Senior here, rather than just viewing him as a (very interested) bystander to a crime and tragedy.
 
I think that stringing up Jerry for the actions of his kid is a bit extreme and I do have some sympathy for him.  But when this story came out there was a lot of talk about how the parents enabled the son and may have been able to prevent some of his damage.  I don't think anyone would place the majority, or even a decent chunk, of the blame on Jerry.  But there were definitely many people who thought he deserved at least a small portion of it.  I'm sure someone can dig up the articles that describe the timeline and various events that may suggest this.
 

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Say what you want about Remy, I can't imagine what this whole thing has been like for him and particularly what he must be going through right now.
 

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FWIW (especially considering the details of the murder included in the story):
 
“I would like to say, ‘Blame me for this and not my family,’” Remy said just before his sentencing. He said Martel and his family “both loved each other and I’m the bad apple.
And if you asked my family, they’d rather have me dead than her.”
 
 

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Remy also said this in his statement (video link below):
 
 
"I would like you to know that I always told Jen she could leave, but do not threaten me with my daughter.  That night Jen had a knife in her hand and threatened me with my daughter.  So I killed her.  I don't think it's right when women use their kids against their fathers.  And to all the people that have blamed my family: go clean your clock and go clean your closet.  I am an honest, loyal, and a person of my word, and everything I have said today is the truth, and I have nothing to lie about."
 
http://www.myfoxboston.com/video?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=10204579
 

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Not sure, but to the extent that anyone considered my selected quote to somehow consider the Son in a better light, since this is the "Remy the Broadcaster" thread, I left out the considerable amount of "Remy's son is a monster who should never be free to walk the streets" info in the story. 
 
Yeah, he didn't exactly throw himself on the mercy of the court there did he? Wow.
 
To get to GHoff's question, I'm spitballing here but my guess is that his daughter is the last thing he really cares about besides himself and his lifeline to humanity. I mean, in real life you basically never get stabbing murders with this many eyewitnesses. At the end of the day, any money he blew on a pointless trial is money out of his daughter's pocket some time down the road. And if he cares about his parents at all, maybe he doesn't want to completely bankrupt them either. But he wasn't winning this one.
 

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Yeah, he didn't exactly throw himself on the mercy of the court there did he? Wow.
 
To get to GHoff's question, I'm spitballing here but my guess is that his daughter is the last thing he really cares about besides himself and his lifeline to humanity. I mean, in real life you basically never get stabbing murders with this many eyewitnesses. At the end of the day, any money he blew on a pointless trial is money out of his daughter's pocket some time down the road. And if he cares about his parents at all, maybe he doesn't want to completely bankrupt them either. But he wasn't winning this one.
 
I get that and I agree.  I guess more than wondering why he pleaded guilty I'm wondering why he couldn't get a better deal to plead guilty to a lesser charge.  Did he offer to plead guilty to second degree and the DA said no?  If so, why? 
 

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I get that and I agree.  I guess more than wondering why he pleaded guilty I'm wondering why he couldn't get a better deal to plead guilty to a lesser charge.  Did he offer to plead guilty to second degree and the DA said no?  If so, why?
I'm not a criminal lawyer but I have watched a lot of Law & Order, partiuclarly SVU. 
 
My therefore uneducated guess is that a DA would say no to that if he thought he had a very strong case on first degree and the weight of the evidence made it hard for him to settle for less from a public relations and interests point of view.
 

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I'm just guessing and really only asking a question of those more familiar with the criminal justice system, but is it possible that his plea could have been negotiated to give him a "better" prison or better living arrangements in that prison?
 

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This is more than a little chilling - no doubt certain "men's rights" groups will hold this sick, sick man up as a martyr:
 
"I would like you to know that I always told Jen she could leave, but do not threaten me with my daughter.  That night Jen had a knife in her hand and threatened me with my daughter.  So I killed her.  I don't think it's right when women use their kids against their fathers. "
 

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I would like you to know that I always told Jen she could leave, but do not threaten me with my daughter.  That night Jen had a knife in her hand and threatened me with my daughter.  So I killed her.  I don't think it's right when women use their kids against their fathers.
 
Psychology is weird.
 

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Yeah, can't imagine why she might have wanted to arm herself when he started going into another one of his rampages. Shit, he probably could've gotten off on self defense!
 

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Tragic.
The interpretation of his statement is she threatened to take his daughter out of the house and reduce his time with the child. So his brain justified taking an action that would certainly result in never seeing his daughter again, beyond all the rest of the horrific consequences.

(Just in case anyone was thinking of holding him up as a paragon of logical thought.)