Effective mound visits. Pitching coach ideally can give struggling pitcher some physical adjustment to get him back on track. I did say ideally. Not much stopping of bleeding going on here hence a lot of short outings from starters.geoduck no quahog said:Mechanics, pitch selection, off day routines.
What else does a pitchimg coach do? He's not responsible for execution.
I'm willing to believe he fucked up on those other three things though.
I imagine Ben is next.mauidano said:
It's gonna take more than Nieves to placate the mob mentality. So now Chili Davis is on the hot seat as well? Just horrible offensive output.
Rudy Pemberton said:We know that he's responsible for the pitchers; and that the pitching absolutely sucks and is much worse than it was supposed to be.
In any business, if what you are in charge of fails spectacularly, you usually feel heat for it- whether it's fair or not.
Maybe he was the one providing the lipstick...amfox1 said:
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 1m1 minute ago
#RedSox announce firing of pitching coach Juan Nieves. Suggestion: Find better pitchers.
Pete Abraham @PeteAbe 5m5 minutes ago
#RedSox fired pitching coach Juan Nieves, team announces. There’s one fall guy.
Jason Mastrodonato @JMastrodonato 5m5 minutes ago
Juan Nieves, the fall guy? Red Sox have fired their pitching coach.
Dan Sostek @dan_sostek 20s21 seconds ago
Scapegoating Juan Nieves for the staff's issues is pretty ridiculous. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.
patinorange said:Dave Duncan would throw up his hands with this bunch of starters.
I look at it as a signal the FO is not going to settle for another bad year. Empty seats at a Yankees series and another slow start are probably not going over well.
Farrell should be looking over his shoulder. They are not breaking up this team again and starting over. The manager goes next if things don't improve.
apparently Taz and Nieves got into a heated argument in the dugout yesterday....E5 Yaz said:Farrell throws Nieves under the bus. That's just lovely.
I said ghe other day that it was too early to consider this move. I believe that still.
Scapegoat found
soxhop411 said:
Maureen Mullen @MaureenaMullen 35s35 seconds ago
Farrell: not sure "connection was made with current group" of starting pitchers by Nieves
What a bunch of cliche bullshit. Ben and Farrell need to start looking at each other. Obviously we're "not sure a connection is being made" with the current team in general.soxhop411 said:
Rob Bradford @bradfo 13s13 seconds ago
Cherington: 'Nothing happened specifically recently that precipitated this' (in regards to Nieves dismissal)
Really? I'd say it is exactly as bad as many of us expected. What performance is shocking? Miley having a tough time moving to the AL? Buchholz being enigmatic? Masterson being iffy at best? Koji being less reliable? Other bullpen arms being as unpredictable as bullpen arms always are?Rudy Pemberton said:We know that he's responsible for the pitchers; and that the pitching absolutely sucks and is much worse than it was supposed to be.
soxhop411 said:apparently Taz and Nieves got into a heated argument in the dugout yesterday....
Cellar-Door said:Maybe it is early, but, if your entire pitching staff is dramatically underperforming their career numbers I don't think canning the pitching coach is a bad idea.
I don't get the "they are bad pitchers" argument. If a pitching coach has no impact why is he here? If he does have an impact he should takes some of the blame for every guy on the staff performing well below their normal level.
Sure.E5 Yaz said:
Do they keep firing pitching coaches until they find the one with the magic elixir?
Have you completely missed all the evidence that the pitchers ate underperforming their peripherals?nattysez said:Really? I'd say it is exactly as bad as many of us expected. What performance is shocking? Miley having a tough time moving to the AL? Buchholz being enigmatic? Masterson being iffy at best? Koji being less reliable? Other bullpen arms being as unpredictable as bullpen arms always are?
But extensions for managers don't guarantee job-security. They just don't want a manager to go into a season on the last year of his contract, because too many of the veterans (with longer contracts) might tune him out, since they assume he'll be gone soon. Giving a manager an extension is cheap money if it gives him more perceived authority.rembrat said:
The ink isn't dry on his extension. Let's calm down.
8slim said:The strong attachment some seem to have to Nieves is... odd.
bosockboy said:When's the last time they have fired a coach in season?
8slim said:The strong attachment some seem to have to Nieves is... odd.
E5 Yaz said:
Do they keep firing pitching coaches until they find the one with the magic elixir?
This is pure exaggeration. Pick the worst ERA for each starter that could serve as a basis for projection - career/3 year/2014 - and the current starting staff has given up 15 more runs than that. Absolutely no one predicted this level of underperformance - or maybe you can find the guy that predicted a 7.xx ERA for Miley or the study that shows that pitchers moving from the NL to the AL have 3 runs tacked onto their ERA.nattysez said:Really? I'd say it is exactly as bad as many of us expected. What performance is shocking? Miley having a tough time moving to the AL? Buchholz being enigmatic? Masterson being iffy at best? Koji being less reliable? Other bullpen arms being as unpredictable as bullpen arms always are?
E5 Yaz said:
I think there's a difference between attachment to Nieves and cutting off a finger to cure toenail fungus
drbretto said:
Yes. Like every team. Every year.
rembrat said:
For me, it's what a move like this represents. It seems incredibly bush league.
I literally can't remember the last time a pitching coach was canned this early in the season. It's kind of embarrassing for everyone involved.
E5 Yaz said:
I think there's a difference between attachment to Nieves and cutting off a finger to cure toenail fungus
I have been told that this is impossible. Peripherals say that the pitching will improve.E5 Yaz said:
Nah, I mean this yera. If the staff isn't better in the next 6 weeks, does the new coach get canned?