Red Sox fire Juan Nieves
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Wouldn't Bob Kipper be the most logical choice? Bring up Barnes and E-Rod for the pen to ease them in
Tyrone Biggums said:
Sean McAdams is reporting Carl Willis, pitching coach of Cleveland's AAA team, as the #1 candidate.
http://www.csnne.com/boston-red-sox/next-boston-red-sox-pitching-coach-gm-ben-cherington-has-small-list
McAdams also adds, that if the Indians don't give Willis permission to leave, then Kipper is the most likely alternative.
strek1 said:
It's like no one read the interview with Mike Silverman! (Not directed just at you, strek1 — everyone seems to be pining for Pedro to take this job.)
I look at SoxJox list and I can't help but think that David Wells would make a fine leader of young men.
YTF said:
He's a very articulate guy and was always a strong clubhouse presence. I'd love to see David Wells out on the field again.
I don't get how Nieves didn't get production out of the starters. They are what they are. Besides Porcello, they stink. They just don't have the talent to be good starting pitchers, besides Porcello and sometimes Clay.
The right move would have been to move Miley to the bullpen and call up Rodriguez.
The right move would have been to move Miley to the bullpen and call up Rodriguez.
foulkehampshire said:
I bet he'd do it if they let him wear a PokerStars.com hat instead of that one with the "B".
Coaches are hired to be fired. Nieves can be cut loose at minimal cost, and he's not the only one to go, now that we have seen the last of the Mujican. At the very least, I'm pleased that the Red Sox are not taking failure with complacency.
David Wells? Absolutely not -- he's a rebel, not a leader. He'd have the starters chowing down on beer and chicken as his first intervention.
Jason Varitek? No. He still carries the stench of jealousy and bed-hopping from the 2011 collapse.
Rodriguez, Johnson and Owens need more time in AAA, which means that Miley and Masterson will get more time to rediscover their 2012 magic. Miley's control can't be as bad as it has looked since his first start.
David Wells? Absolutely not -- he's a rebel, not a leader. He'd have the starters chowing down on beer and chicken as his first intervention.
Jason Varitek? No. He still carries the stench of jealousy and bed-hopping from the 2011 collapse.
Rodriguez, Johnson and Owens need more time in AAA, which means that Miley and Masterson will get more time to rediscover their 2012 magic. Miley's control can't be as bad as it has looked since his first start.
1. He doesn't need the money.
2. He probably wants to stay home with his family. That's worth something.
3. Working with high schoolers is rewarding. You make a difference.
Similarly, his teammate Tom Glavine, coaches midget hockey.
2. He probably wants to stay home with his family. That's worth something.
3. Working with high schoolers is rewarding. You make a difference.
Similarly, his teammate Tom Glavine, coaches midget hockey.
It may not be Nieves fault but it absolutely is his responsibility. Rosenthal's better pitchers comment is horseshit as others have posted how every member of the staff is underperforming!budcrew08 said:
aksoxfan said:
Not sure why, considering the Red Sox have the 8th most run scores in the majors but the 29th worst team ERA.
SoxJox said:
- That's a good thought, but isn't "significant compensation" due when you hire a coach away from another professional club?
My concern with Schilling is that he wouldn't know how to lead pitchers who lack his approach to game research and overall preparation. It would be great if every pitcher had that intensity of focus and preparation, but I am not sure G38 could force it on others.RGREELEY33 said:
In short, I picture him struggling to lead people who aren't like him personality wise.
I hope whoever they pick is the right fit to develop the youngsters. At this point that should be top priority bc masterson/buch/Miley/kelly have a collective ceiling that won't likely deliver another WS.
Speaking of Schilling, this is his tweet on the subject:
Worst days of a season. When you know your performance has cost a man his job. Worst possible feeling.
And that isn't just from the pitchers, the hitters feel exactly the same way.
Worst days of a season. When you know your performance has cost a man his job. Worst possible feeling.
And that isn't just from the pitchers, the hitters feel exactly the same way.
johnnydrama said:
If it were an election, absolutely yes to Varitek. He reigned in a lot of personalities and got them to focus on their best stuff.
I don't think anyone could have done the job he did, as long as he did it, that successfully during the time he played. Think about how rough Beckett was during his first season (I remember him for all the cussing) and how calm he seemed by comparison in subsequent seasons.
IMHO that's what's missing.
I'm shocked the starters only had 7 starts not getting to the 5th (not the Tequila). Seemed higher than that.soxhop411 said:
Are people just throwing out the names of MLB players because that's what they know off the top their heads? It seems to me like most pitching coaches are not those guys; the list of potential candidates we know of now includes no names like that, and is there any evidence that just because a certain player was good at something while playing, he can actually teach it?
It's the Shiny Object Game. You can only demand that EdRod be called up to save the rotation so many times, you know.OCD SS said:
We can complain about starters underperforming their peripherals all we want, but I don't believe pitchers just figure it out on their own all the time and the universe corrects itself. Adjustments are made to make themselves more effective, and as part of a result of that, they inch closer to their true talent. That is the pitching coach's job. They are much more hands on than hitting coaches. Clay has been waaaay below his peripherals for two straight years now. There have to be other factors contributing to them.
As an aside -Rubby De La Rosa had a nice line against the Padres last night: 7IP 3 hits 0 runs 2 walks 7 k's. Seriously . . .WTF?!?
As an aside -Rubby De La Rosa had a nice line against the Padres last night: 7IP 3 hits 0 runs 2 walks 7 k's. Seriously . . .WTF?!?
Schilling would be awesome, and he may actually need the money (like most of US). Would love to see him and hear "Red Light" pontificate on a daily basis again. Unlike the haters, I found most of what he had to say very interesting, regardless of its frequency, volume, or his (irrelevant) personal politics. Still wish he hadn't shaken off Tek's sign though with two outs in the ninth against Oakland....
That gives him two good outings, two meh outings, and two disaster starts on the season. He'd fit right in here.grimshaw said:
cptcarl said:
Never actively thought about it, but he might be a good candidate in terms of raw pitching knowledge. However, I wouldn't hand Schill the keys to the MLB pitching staff without some kind of established track record on his part. And some way of sewing his mouth shut re: the press. He has the potential to be a Valentine-eque figure in terms of alienating players.
So do some of you guys know which celebrity is for sure "a good guy" by his appearances on Letterman. We know Schilling is perfect? We know Tek brought egos together?
It seems some of you think what you see in the media gives you a complete picture of the person.
The best coach is probably somebody not famous. People are just listing their mancrushes.
It seems some of you think what you see in the media gives you a complete picture of the person.
The best coach is probably somebody not famous. People are just listing their mancrushes.
Would they ever think about trying to bring back Dave Wallace? He's currently with the Braves as a special assistant/minors pitching coordinator. He left under good terms - really for health reasons more than anything.
He worked well with guys like Pedro, Hershiser and others, and took the Red Sox "places" :bravo: after taking over for Cloninger in 2003. Also, he and Valentine didn't get along when they were both with the Mets, so he has that going for him.
He worked well with guys like Pedro, Hershiser and others, and took the Red Sox "places" :bravo: after taking over for Cloninger in 2003. Also, he and Valentine didn't get along when they were both with the Mets, so he has that going for him.
Not a chance, he's Baltimore's pitching coach.SoxJox said:
http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/team/coach_staff_bio.jsp?c_id=bal&coachorstaffid=123855
He wouldn't have to force that regimen, in that in theory he'd be doing a lot of that research and preparation, then passing it on to the staff.twibnotes said:
Could he be a long term solution? Maybe not. But, I think he has respect for Farrell and the ownership and would likely follow their orders. He could be an interesting interim solution, perhaps to bridge them to the off season. I don't think the staff can get much worse.
Ouch. I missed that. I thought he was still with the Braves' organization. Thanks for the update. Nice to know it appears his health issues have apparently resolved.Laser Show said:
I don't think Schill was anyone's favorite teammate and that probably wouldn't translate too well into a full time coaching position.
Joe Kerrigan used to unintentionally irritate guys left and right with his demeanor despite the fact he knew what he was talking about (on the pitching side).
My gut feeling would be the same with Schilling. Probably not a good idea to bring in a pitching coach more famous and vocal than the manager.
Plus - he'd have to leave his WoW guild.
Joe Kerrigan used to unintentionally irritate guys left and right with his demeanor despite the fact he knew what he was talking about (on the pitching side).
My gut feeling would be the same with Schilling. Probably not a good idea to bring in a pitching coach more famous and vocal than the manager.
Plus - he'd have to leave his WoW guild.
The same Curt Schilling who has several times said in media that he thinks Clay Buchholz lacks the physical and mental toughness to be an ace and questions his desire? Yeah, that oughta' work well.
If I were Ben, I'd reach out to Leo Mazzone. He was reportedly interested in the Phillies job before last season.
Despite the fact that it is early, I think the RS top brass has seen enough ---
Varvaro gone
Mujica gone
Nieves gone
There will be more changes to come over the next couple of weeks.
I am sure they are working the phones hard to bring in a top of the rotation starter at an acceptable price in terms of prospects and dollars. For the pen, I would guess that they will first give Barnes a shot to become reliable reliever.
Varvaro gone
Mujica gone
Nieves gone
There will be more changes to come over the next couple of weeks.
I am sure they are working the phones hard to bring in a top of the rotation starter at an acceptable price in terms of prospects and dollars. For the pen, I would guess that they will first give Barnes a shot to become reliable reliever.
I agree. Look at what the Cardinals are doing without Wainwright. I said as far back as February, trade for Hamels. Does one pitcher turn this around? No. But its a step in the right direction. I find it funny that they fire the same man who was pitching coach when the Sox won the WS in 2103! I fault the FO more than Nieves because they knew of masterson's regression, Kelly's never having had any solid background/experience and of course Buchholz's glass arm. Maybe Schilling was right when he said Buchholz doesnt want it bad enough.Snoop Soxy Dogg said:
Id rather see the likes of Eduardo Rodriquez being brought up and let Barnes mature in pen before firing the pitching coach. Can the Sox learn to handle success?
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