To be fair I would take Cesar or Oscar over any of our outfielders this year.Savin Hillbilly said:
Red Sox Deadline Discussion
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Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 17s
Cardinals are inquiring with teams about starting pitching, source says. They have Wacha, Garcia, Kelly on DL. @FOXSports1
Cardinals are inquiring with teams about starting pitching, source says. They have Wacha, Garcia, Kelly on DL. @FOXSports1
Peter Gammons @pgammo 2m
Farrell dilemma:if 1 Sox pos. player goes, Pedroia 3d in WAR@2B, Ortiz 3d @ DH, Napoli 3d @ 1B. Holt 5th @ 3B, but doesn't have qual. ABs
Farrell dilemma:if 1 Sox pos. player goes, Pedroia 3d in WAR@2B, Ortiz 3d @ DH, Napoli 3d @ 1B. Holt 5th @ 3B, but doesn't have qual. ABs
Must be all star selection. Just take Lester, although the defending WS manager usually takes some of his own that might not make it if another manager were selecting. Ah, take Pedey and Ortiz, as well as Lester. It's an exhibition game; fans want to see the long time stars. Uehara?SoxLegacy said:
There's already a thread in the media section about Gammons' butt tweets. Let's keep them there.
The first one is clearly about all star selections. It's not like the Sox would dream of trading Pedroia, Ortiz, or Napoli right now.
The second could very well be a response to a text or DM that Gammo tweeted publicly instead of directly.
The first one is clearly about all star selections. It's not like the Sox would dream of trading Pedroia, Ortiz, or Napoli right now.
The second could very well be a response to a text or DM that Gammo tweeted publicly instead of directly.
That makes more sense. My bad..Red(s)HawksFan said:
Seems like he was trying to reply to https://twitter.com/BenjBowman about trading drew
Seems ripe for the pickin':
Allen Craig is out of the Cardinals' lineup for the second straight game Friday.
Craig started the first game since Oscar Taveras' promotion but has now been benched for the last two. As suspected, he's in for a big drop in playing time.
Allen Craig is out of the Cardinals' lineup for the second straight game Friday.
Craig started the first game since Oscar Taveras' promotion but has now been benched for the last two. As suspected, he's in for a big drop in playing time.
soxhop411 said:
I actually think the opposite. He's tied up for a good chunk of change until 2018 and they have no place for him. That seems to drive the price down. They've got motivation to find a buyer. I would think he could be had fairly cheaply. Maybe Peavy.
If the Red Sox could get Craig for Peavy, I'd do it in a nanosecond. To me, it's an absolute no brainer. The money isn't really a problem for Boston. Craig has had success at the MLB level. Provides (when he's healthy and productive) RH power, which they sorely need, and can play LF or 1b. Peavy, given where the Sox are right now, is pretty useless for Boston.
Very easy call if that's truly available.
Very easy call if that's truly available.
It'll take another prospect or eating some Peavy cash....the Cards also might be more interested in Doubront.
Looks like a completely laid back guy. What's San Diego got? I know the theme is trading with contenders, but is there a contender that would want the guy?mfried said:
No team will give up anything of value for Peavy or Doubront as long as Lester remains unsigned for next year, and (assuming no extension in the next three weeks) he's probably not going anywhere until Price gets moved somewhere. If you've got assets, why not use them for the superior pitcher?
That's not even remotely true. I've read over and over again that the Blue Jays (just an example) would rather give up lesser assets to acquire a rental like Jason Hammel rather than giving up multiple top tier prospects for Shark or Price.Danny_Darwin said:
MakMan44 said:
Lester himself is a rental, though. To use your example, Hammel's 2014 performance has been a lot closer to Jon Lester's than Jake Peavy's or Felix Doubront's.
The team has essentially hung a "FOR SALE" sign on Peavy's neck for the last several weeks, yet he remains in town. I have to think that if they could get anything for him - much less an actual good MLB player like Allen Craig (recently good, anyway) - he'd be gone by now.
IMO we're just entering the seller/buyer market going into the trade deadline. Post-season wannbe teams are sorting out who may be available and who may fit their needs, and what they have to trade. If for example the MFY decided they need a 1 or 2 (with CC likely gone for the year) to compete for the ALE they are going to be looking at a different subset (eg Cliff Lee, Price or Lester-those would be interesting negotiations) than the Cards who may want to add a 4 or a 5. (Peavy or Doubront)
Maybe stop trying to be the first person to post every single tweet on here and take a second (at least) and think about what you post. Does it really add anything to discussion or is it just nonsense? Last time I checked there is no award for quickest to post tweets on here.soxhop411 said:
STL seems to be the only team other then ATL that could have an interest in Peavy or Felix... Both have had multiple pitching injuries. Other then those two, I can't think of a team that would have any interest in either of them.bankshot1 said:
Wait a couple weeks demand for a guy who can pitch 6 innings may develop and from unexpected teams. Shit happens, for example the MFY were expecting CC to start in August. Now they don't.soxhop411 said:
Red Sox are getting calls on Middlebrooks it seems
http://mweb.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24608632/red-sox-reluctant-to-deal-middlebrooks-and-heres-why
http://mweb.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24608632/red-sox-reluctant-to-deal-middlebrooks-and-heres-why
Third reason Sox may be hesitant to trade Middlebrooks: what on earth is wrong with the guy they're running out to third most games?
My thoughts exactly. They brought Mookie up to play the OF, and while he's been less than impressive out there so far, the X situation is more stark, and Holt can get back to playing a position his background has prepared him for. Or Mookie and Brock take turns, as Mookie would probably appreciate a chance to play an infield position.geoduck no quahog said:
Why would he prefer an infield position? Betts played SS, CF, and 2B in that order in high school. He then played SS for two weeks of rookie ball or so, moved to 2B, played there exclusively for about 1.5 seasons until he started taking time in the OF and shooting up to the big club.InsideTheParker said:
At this point if he's at 3B he's 1. got to prove the arm is 3B capable (his arm was the limiting factor at SS I believe) and 2. still compete with Holt and Cecchini for long term 2B starts. In CF he gets to play a more premium defensive position where his range likely to translate well and his above average but not quite starting SS grade arm would be a plus. He'd also only be competing with Jackie Bradley for playing time with RF opening up after 2015 when Victorino leaves, assuming Vic is ever healthy again.
So for Betts staying in the OF now enables him to win the most familiar position available to him (2B is blocked with Dustin, he was moved off SS post-haste in Rookie ball for a reason) with the least competition and a lower offensive bar to clear for league average by position production. If he ends up an .800 OPS guy with 15-20 steals, 30 doubles, and 10 homers that's a very good 3B. That same offensive production would make him one of the best CFers in the entire league once you discount Mike Trout.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/team.cgi?id=2b38e007Plympton91 said:
according to baseball reference, Mike Miller for 31 games, Deven Marrero for 29 games (Mookie had 13 starts at SS and 58 at 2B).
eat ALL of Peavy's cash...if we are in SELL mode and we don't plan on adding players/salary we should be eating ALL the salary and spending every last penny of the 2014 budget for the better prospect...this is one of the few times where "I don't care about the ownership making money" theory comes into playbosockboy said:
Al Zarilla said:
Looking forward we have
Xander SS (3B?) very high potential batting
Betts CF/RF/2B high potential batting, plus speed
WMB 3B (OF?) high slugging, low OBP
and
JBJ OF mid OF batting potential? trouble adjusting to MLB thus far.
Holt 3B,2B, SS, OF plus utility level bat, possibly not a starter.
and on the horizon:
Marrero SS low batting potential
Vasquez C low batting potential
Why wouldn't they hold onto WMB? The only guys in the high minors with pop are Brentz and Shaw, neither of whom is beating down the door. WMB is exactly the kind of slugging upside younger player the Sox would be trying to pick up if they didn't have WMB.
Brandon McCarthy just got traded to the Yankees for Vidal Nuno. I think Peavy is probably a decent comp to McCarthy in trade value... and Nuno is kind of interesting. On the face of it, he's not all that special. He was a minor league free agent that the Yankees picked up in 2011 who seems like sort of a late bloomer. He's really struggled for the Yankees in 2014, but in 5 starts, he just killed AAA hitters in 2013. 25 IP, 14 H, 30 K and 2 walks. He's left handed, 26 (turning 27 at the end of the month) and pretty successful in AA too.
It's kind of starting to see like the most we could expect for Peavy is someone similarly "interesting". Someone who's got a few kinks to work out but hopefully might put it all together.
Also, FWIW the Yankees dropped Soriano today, let's get him... Only partly joking about picking him up.
It's kind of starting to see like the most we could expect for Peavy is someone similarly "interesting". Someone who's got a few kinks to work out but hopefully might put it all together.
Also, FWIW the Yankees dropped Soriano today, let's get him... Only partly joking about picking him up.
Soriano at the league minimum is a no brainer for a team that was running out Nava, Sizemore, Gomes etc out in LF.BosRedSox5 said:
I strongly disagree about McCarthy being a good comp for Peavy despite the fact he has actually out pitched Peavy this year. Peavy has a great track record and could fetch a better return from an NL contender.
How would it hurt? Worst case the guy doesn't out perform Gomes and you cut him after 2 weeks. This team should be looking at every available outfielder to see if they can get lightning in a bottle.MakMan44 said:
Not only all of this, but who is losing his roster spot to acquire Soriano? Do you think he would outperform Betts? I don't. You can't just DFA Gomes and hope Soriano outperforms him, because if he doesn't, then you're out Hacksaw. Picking up the Yankees crappy scraps is no answer to the Red Sox' woes.MakMan44 said:
Just last season Soriano hit 34 homers, including 17 during a really strong stretch run for the Yankees. He seems like he might be worth a look out there, especially if he's still got the wheels to play RF in Fenway.
Absolutely not. NO interest in seeing him in RF at Fenway. He'd possibly be a cheap option if Papi were to go down, but even then I'm not sure I'd want him.BosRedSox5 said:
I would never put him in right but this is exactly the reason why adding him if he clears waivers wouldn't be a terrible move. I'm not worried about it costing the Sox wins. The current outfield configuration is doing that just fine on their own.BosRedSox5 said: