The Bills will take DT Jay Bromley. Nice depth with Raji's inconsistencies and McDonald getting long in the tooth.
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At 35 years old I was already looking for a C replacement for Raiola even before he was stolen. There were two Cs in this draft who were believed to be at the top of the position. Weston Richburg and this guy.
The San Francisco 49ers select: C, Marcus Martin
He's young (20), big (6'3" 311lbs), and has great flexibility (was a G and transitioned to C). I think he could battle for the starting C position this year and would make for a great backup O/G if it takes him a little time to get accustomed to the NFL.
The San Francisco 49ers select: C, Marcus Martin
He's young (20), big (6'3" 311lbs), and has great flexibility (was a G and transitioned to C). I think he could battle for the starting C position this year and would make for a great backup O/G if it takes him a little time to get accustomed to the NFL.
Question for RFP since there isn't a ton of talk in here anyway.
After a ton of deliberating I took Brock in the first round. Was anyone else looking at him? Think he would have made it to me here? I probably would have gone with best available but I had two positions of need going into this draft and wanted to make sure I hit on both. CB and C. Didn't see a good CB falling here (I guess I was half right but maybe Brock would have been available), and that would have also pushed me out of the top Cs available.
With 2 rounds in the books, I'm interested in what people think of rookies vs veterans.
After a ton of deliberating I took Brock in the first round. Was anyone else looking at him? Think he would have made it to me here? I probably would have gone with best available but I had two positions of need going into this draft and wanted to make sure I hit on both. CB and C. Didn't see a good CB falling here (I guess I was half right but maybe Brock would have been available), and that would have also pushed me out of the top Cs available.
With 2 rounds in the books, I'm interested in what people think of rookies vs veterans.
I was looking at Marcus Martin and Richburg for round 3 but didn't think either would fall to me. Brock was not on my radar.
KFP and I have looked at some vets vs. rookies. Obviously we decided on a vet QB but we went for a rookie WR over veteran options. Why? Do you go with a low floor but proven commodity or someone with a high ceiling? There is no right answer. For teams that are close to the cusp making sure you don't have any huge holes and plugging them in with medium floor guys isn't a bad idea.
KFP and I have looked at some vets vs. rookies. Obviously we decided on a vet QB but we went for a rookie WR over veteran options. Why? Do you go with a low floor but proven commodity or someone with a high ceiling? There is no right answer. For teams that are close to the cusp making sure you don't have any huge holes and plugging them in with medium floor guys isn't a bad idea.
DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
I'm shocked that all the productive, entrenched veterans weren't snapped up by now. Lots of rookies sound good but every year a bunch of them turn out to not be good. Taking the veterans was always my particular strategy but I am surprised at how few have been taken and how many raw, questionable rookies have gone instead.
SMU_Sox said:
Yeah this was my feeling as well. I was close last year and with most of my squad back I think it's more valuable to add guys who can contribute this year than to take a chance on a bunch of rookies. Especially towards the end of the first and second rounds it seems like so many of these guys are wild cards that I'd rather have the sure thing. I can see why plenty of people in this draft haven't had the same strategy, particularly those without a QB or with too many holes to count. In those positions I think they may be better off throwing as many darts at the board and trying to hit a few high end starters.
I had Brock as the best available veteran CB, but probably wouldn't have looked at him until round 3. Given Eli's age I think it was a reasonable pick.DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
I don't see a lot of "productive, entrenched veterans," to be honest. This draft is full of players who either we didn't think good enough to draft in 33 rounds last year, or drafted but then dropped. The veterans drafted - Clark, McCown, Brock, Daniels, Jackson, Collins - are all guys who had pretty unimpressive track records coming into last year. That doesn't make them bad picks, but there's a degree of risk not dissimilar from that of a high draft pick.soxfan121 said:
Broncos take... Carlos Hyde, RB
Pretty excited to get this guy, who has all the tools to be a feature running back in the NFL. My RB position was a huge weakness last year, but I think a Hyde/Ahmad Bradshaw combo in the backfield is a pretty good one-two punch. With my strong offensive line and a decent passing game, I think my offense has taken a big step forward this offseason... assuming Rivers can come close to repeating his 2013 season.
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Pretty excited to get this guy, who has all the tools to be a feature running back in the NFL. My RB position was a huge weakness last year, but I think a Hyde/Ahmad Bradshaw combo in the backfield is a pretty good one-two punch. With my strong offensive line and a decent passing game, I think my offense has taken a big step forward this offseason... assuming Rivers can come close to repeating his 2013 season.
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DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
I had him on my radar and would've considered him in round 2. I probably would've had him ranked behind the all of the rookie CB's taken so far with the exception of Jean-Baptiste (who has a higher ceiling but could take a season or two to learn to play CB at this level).
I wouldn't feel bad about the pick, though. Guys like him aren't sexy names, but you should have a better idea of what you're getting from him next year and he was the top veteran CB on my board. You got yourself a plug and play guy who has shown he can play well for one of the top defensive units in the NFL.
Hyde was on my short list but wasn't at the top of it. Good pick though....
So here's the thing...the Falcons are coming off a Super Bowl loss, and they clearly are a competitive team. But there are a few holes. Do I need a RB? Hell yes. Do I need a TE? Maybe (I think Gresham will have a big 2014 personally)...I definitely need some LB depth. But what I think I need most is to replace the 2 CB I lost in the steal round. I got one last round in a rookie who may be the best in this year's draft class.
Here's the 2nd...
Nickell Robey, CB
I generally agree that there are not a ton of great vets out there at this point. But there are some finds and I think Robey is one. He's tiny. He doesn't look the part. And for that reason, the kid was undrafted and lucked his way into the lineup in Buffalo. But what an impact he did once he got there. He was all over the field, amassing numbers along the way. In addition to a solid if unspectacular +2.8 in coverage (which figures to improve in his 2nd year), he surrendered only 0.87 yards/cover snap.
This gets our secondary at (in my opinion, potentially slightly better) than it was last season, and figures to be a strength for our defense in our attempt to defend our conference crown.
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So here's the thing...the Falcons are coming off a Super Bowl loss, and they clearly are a competitive team. But there are a few holes. Do I need a RB? Hell yes. Do I need a TE? Maybe (I think Gresham will have a big 2014 personally)...I definitely need some LB depth. But what I think I need most is to replace the 2 CB I lost in the steal round. I got one last round in a rookie who may be the best in this year's draft class.
Here's the 2nd...
Nickell Robey, CB
I generally agree that there are not a ton of great vets out there at this point. But there are some finds and I think Robey is one. He's tiny. He doesn't look the part. And for that reason, the kid was undrafted and lucked his way into the lineup in Buffalo. But what an impact he did once he got there. He was all over the field, amassing numbers along the way. In addition to a solid if unspectacular +2.8 in coverage (which figures to improve in his 2nd year), he surrendered only 0.87 yards/cover snap.
This gets our secondary at (in my opinion, potentially slightly better) than it was last season, and figures to be a strength for our defense in our attempt to defend our conference crown.
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I'll start this by saying I liked Robey a lot when I first put my board together. His PFF numbers are impressive and he seemed to carve out a role as a slot CB. But then the Bills went out and signed Corey Graham, another slot CB. I guess you can never have enough good DBs, but I just worry that he could lose snaps to the more experienced Graham. There is also the possibility that the Bills try Graham at safety after losing Jarius Byrd.
Super Nomario said:
This sums up my thoughts exactly. I had a couple of the vets that were taken on my board, but wasn't looking at them until round 3 or later. The first two rounds of the actual draft yield some good picks and I think this year, with knowing the situation they're going into, we've all been given enough information as to how much these guys are going to be given a chance to start or how their going to be used in general. After the third round is when I feel the darts will start being thrown.
Steelers still celebrating the addition of Mack and Daniels on the defensive and a bit hung over.
So without further ado, FO continues to bolster the lines and go with our RT of the future (replacing the disappointing Kelechi Osemele):
RT Cyrus Kouandjio
Comes from the Saban tree, with ideal length and athleticism. Not fully polished yet as a pass blocker, but is already a powerful run blocker.
Often compared to D.J. Fluker, Steelers FO thinks "Cujo" will grow into a future Pro Bowler and an all-around RT for years to come.
Like the DL, our OL has been vastly improved:
Lookout AFCN!
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So without further ado, FO continues to bolster the lines and go with our RT of the future (replacing the disappointing Kelechi Osemele):
RT Cyrus Kouandjio
Comes from the Saban tree, with ideal length and athleticism. Not fully polished yet as a pass blocker, but is already a powerful run blocker.
Often compared to D.J. Fluker, Steelers FO thinks "Cujo" will grow into a future Pro Bowler and an all-around RT for years to come.
Like the DL, our OL has been vastly improved:
- LT Tyron Smith (+28.3)
- LG TBD (Amini Silatolu as a backup)
- C Dominic Raiola (+18.6)
- RG Brandon Fusco (+14.5)
- RT Cyrus Kouandjio (rookie)
Lookout AFCN!
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I need to continue to upgrade the OL and in particular the guard position. I'm going with a guy with size and good mobility for that size. He also has experience at the top level of college football, so I think he'll be a good fit here. The Seattle Seahawks select Trai Turner, G, LSU
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The Necks will take Malcolm Smith
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sleepyjose03 said:
Thanks guys.SMU_Sox said:You and me both Sleepy. Once again, nice pick gentlemen. You mothers are so not picking in the top ten next year.
OK, Malcolm Smith. Smith has been a very good player for a long time, but only recently got to show us. He came to USC as a four star prospect and the eighth highest ranked linebacker. Then he dealt with some weird stuff like a throat infection or something before the draft. Despite running a 4.4 and jumping 39 inches, he fell to the seventh round where his former USC coach picked him up. Since then he's been getting healthy, bulking up, and increasing his snaps each year until taking on a major role in 2014. In 2014 he played 631 snaps, put up a 11.5 PFF rating, and excelled in coverage and run stopping - like any Seattle LB. On film it's hard not to compare him to the other Seattle LBs. He's plays a lot like them - super fast in coverage, closing ability, high motor, good hitter. For us Smith will take over for the aging Desmond Bishop, and play next to Sean Lee. He gives us a fourth LB who excels in coverage, so we should be able to do some fun things on defense.
That's a great pick. I was wondering how long it would take for the Superbowl MVP to get drafted. If he fell to me I was going to pick him and play him at SS. He should see an increased role in real life this year.
The Jets pick DT Timmy Jernigan. I need somebody to anchor the line and I think Jernigan is that guy at this point in the draft. It's good value for someone who is a 1st round talent.
Still looking to shore-up my secondary and Brandon Taylor and Duke Williams being my only safeties, I'll go with a guy who came out of nowhere last season and played decent football on the Panthers:
Robert Lester, S
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Colts take CB Lamarcus Joyner. On the small side, but he's quick, strong, and capable of playing safety and CB.
Time to improve our D. Having already grabbed Stephen Tulloch, it's time to grab an outside linebacker.
Carl Bradford, LB.
He was a DE/OLB in college but will likely be too small to play at the line in the NFL -- he's undersized, but he's fast for his size (250 lb and a 4.71 40 time). He's got a super high motor, and he's tough as nails. Excited to have him.
There were a few other linebackers I considered, but they aren't necessarily fits for our 4-3 scheme.
Carl Bradford, LB.
He was a DE/OLB in college but will likely be too small to play at the line in the NFL -- he's undersized, but he's fast for his size (250 lb and a 4.71 40 time). He's got a super high motor, and he's tough as nails. Excited to have him.
There were a few other linebackers I considered, but they aren't necessarily fits for our 4-3 scheme.
Happy to see so much reaction to the Fiedorowicz pick. I wasn't sure if I was better off looking at another position than TE with that pick, but I just didn't like the options after CJ, and felt there was enough of a drop-off that it was now or never if I wanted to address TE at all in this draft. Also kind of glad that Malcolm Smith was nabbed, as I was really struggling with whether or not I could justify going DEF again given the state of my offense.
CJ will be paired with Jared Cook on the Vikings and should help solidify the TE position for us, as I think they're natural compliments to one another. CJ will instantly help our O-line by providing a well needed boost with his blocking skills, his sure-handedness offers Manuel/Palmer another safety valve option on check-downs, as well as giving us a much needed big bodied Red Zone presence. We believe he will also make Cook better as well, as Jared will no longer be depended on to block as regularly (to say he struggles is putting it mildly) and allowing us to make more creative use of his offensive mismatch potential.
CJ will be paired with Jared Cook on the Vikings and should help solidify the TE position for us, as I think they're natural compliments to one another. CJ will instantly help our O-line by providing a well needed boost with his blocking skills, his sure-handedness offers Manuel/Palmer another safety valve option on check-downs, as well as giving us a much needed big bodied Red Zone presence. We believe he will also make Cook better as well, as Jared will no longer be depended on to block as regularly (to say he struggles is putting it mildly) and allowing us to make more creative use of his offensive mismatch potential.
Super Nomario said:
Is Al "OFT" Davis fighting with his GM over this pick or something? Running out of time on the draft clock is very un-Raider-like.
But yeah SN, I'm pretty sure that's right (11:32 if we go by Laddies post). I'll shoot Myt a PM to let him know he's up in 15 minutes.
If I am not mistaken isn't OFT a pretty busy guy who has to travel a bit? I don't think he's being lazy here - probably just caught up in something. Then again we all know the rules and if we get skipped, eh, it's RFP. I'll only half murder someone over it. Never go full Aaron Hernandez.
Overly generous, but thank you. Being on West Coast time makes it a little tougher.
Give me five, I'll have a pick up.
Give me five, I'll have a pick up.
Trent Murphy, LB, Stanford. Like Plunkett before him, we expect Trent to go from the Farm to a hall of fame caliber NFL career, only to see the Raider Haters among the voters spurn him.
We didn't like what we got from the ILB position last year and will take undersized Zach Thomas clone Chris Borland. He makes a ton of tackles and has a high motor.