Pats Depth Chart: an Early Look

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With so many holes filled over these last heady few days, how do people see the current list of draft priorities for the Pats?

It seems so obvious to say QB is their top need, and I agree, but assuming that the first 5 are all gone by the time the Pats are on the clock, or that the Pats don't see value in anyone who might fall to them, who then becomes their top target with 15?

Will they try to move up a bit, maybe to 11 or 12 to get Parsons or Pitts? Do they trade down, maybe for a 2022 first? Or do they jus sit tight and go BPA at 15?
I think you look to 2022 with the draft. Cam, both OTs, Hightower, Gilmore, JC Jackson, and McCourty are all hitting free agency. Maybe they'll extend a couple of those guys, but there's definitely a lot of areas they need to augment for the near future.
 

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I think you look to 2022 with the draft. Cam, both OTs, Hightower, Gilmore, JC Jackson, and McCourty are all hitting free agency. Maybe they'll extend a couple of those guys, but there's definitely a lot of areas they need to augment for the near future.
Stuck making my way home from work so I can’t look this up, but between all those guys and Chung, aren’t we looking at another 35-40 mil in cap space next year? Plus the 20ish expected in the cap bump?
 

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Stuck making my way home from work so I can’t look this up, but between all those guys and Chung, aren’t we looking at another 35-40 mil in cap space next year? Plus the 20ish expected in the cap bump?
They're currently on the books for $168m next year per Spotrac. Plus whatever of the Chung retirement hit they roll into next year.
 

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That includes them picking up 5th year option on Wynn @ $10.4m & Sony @ $4.5m, so if it's actually both tackles like SN mentioned, there's extra $ in there beyond that.

Spotrac is using a $209m cap # for 2022.
 

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Stuck making my way home from work so I can’t look this up, but between all those guys and Chung, aren’t we looking at another 35-40 mil in cap space next year? Plus the 20ish expected in the cap bump?
OTC has it under $30 MM now (projected $203 MM cap), though they haven't accounted for everything (including Trent Brown's contract re-negotiation and some of the lesser signings, like Justin Bethel). This offseason's spending spree has taken the team from #1 in projected 2022 cap space to 23rd.
 
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Safety and OL are massive needs. QB, DL, WR are bigger ones and even LB possibly.
As far as QB, I was going with a hypothetical that they do not address QB this offseason unless they go big and move up. I could see DL, but in addition to S and OL, I would go with CB and 3rd down back, (unless they think Taylor is the answer here), before WR and LB.

They just got two relatively young receivers in addition to Meyers being a restricted FA in 2022, so they control him likely at a reasonable cost. Plus I think Gunner develops into something a little more than just a special teams ace. (I'm writing off Harry as a total bust.) With their two new and two young TE's, I'm happy to roll with what they have for now at WR, although I would love to bring back Byrd for cheap money if they can.

I also wouldn't address LB since they've gotten younger there as well with Judon, Uche, Hall, Jennings, and the admittedly disappointing Bentley.

Of course, if a stud player that they like falls to them, even at a position of strength, they should always jump on that imo.
 

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I think the key take home is that Stidham completed all of his passes. Future QB problem solved.
 

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I just added number counts for each position as currently under contract. By my quick count, it totaled 56. That number does not include JC Jackson or any other unsigned FA (White, JMac, being the biggest names).

It only includes two at QB. I could see a +1 there, although Stidham or a late-round draftee could be destined for PS.

The totals for offense are close to in line with how we ended last season. But there is a definite glut at FB/TE with Keene, Asiasi, LaCosse, Johnson and Vitale likely battling it out over two slots. I think all of those guys, with the exception of Vitale (maybe?) are PS-eligible, so I bet one or two end up there.

On defense, there seems to be a shift from DL (last year 8, this year 6) to LB (last year 5, this year 8), but the combined total is pretty much as per last year. I would imagine that Bentley, Hall, Jennings, McMillan, and probably a draft pick or two are battling it out over two slots. Ability on ST will likely weigh heavily on those final spots, probably giving McMillan the inside edge.

DBs when looked at in toto, -- and I think that only makes sense considering how many of them will shift from CB to S -- is down one from last season, but if JCJ accepts the tender, then we're back to even. This certainly looks like an area for draft pick additions, both to push the bottom of the depth chart (Williams, Bryant) and to groom for 2022 when Gilmore, JCJ, and DMac might all be gone (assuming they are all backing 2021).
 

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I just added number counts for each position as currently under contract. By my quick count, it totaled 56. That number does not include JC Jackson or any other unsigned FA (White, JMac, being the biggest names).
You're definitely missing some guys ... the real count is 76 or 77 under contract. I'm guessing you're short a lot of the longshots to make the roster. Like you listed 2 QBs, but they actually have three with Jake Dolegala. They've got 10 DL and 12 LB, all told, etc.

The totals for offense are close to in line with how we ended last season. But there is a definite glut at FB/TE with Keene, Asiasi, LaCosse, Johnson and Vitale likely battling it out over two slots. I think all of those guys, with the exception of Vitale (maybe?) are PS-eligible, so I bet one or two end up there.
They carried 4 TE / FB last year, when they were primarily a 3 WR offense, so I'd expect them to carry at least one more TE / FB this year with the two TE sets figuring to be the primarily personnel look. Asiasi and Keene would figure to have the inside track on the backup TE spots, with Johnson the front-runner at FB, though maybe the pickups of Henry and Smith suggest they might think the book is written on one or more of the young guys.
 

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You're definitely missing some guys ... the real count is 76 or 77 under contract. I'm guessing you're short a lot of the longshots to make the roster. Like you listed 2 QBs, but they actually have three with Jake Dolegala. They've got 10 DL and 12 LB, all told, etc.


They carried 4 TE / FB last year, when they were primarily a 3 WR offense, so I'd expect them to carry at least one more TE / FB this year with the two TE sets figuring to be the primarily personnel look. Asiasi and Keene would figure to have the inside track on the backup TE spots, with Johnson the front-runner at FB, though maybe the pickups of Henry and Smith suggest they might think the book is written on one or more of the young guys.
Fair point about a much higher number, but as you said, many of those are the long shots to make the roster, or even the PS.

I can't see them going with more than 4 TE/FB unless at least one of them proves to be a worthy multi-ST player. For example, I think Bolden, and even Burkhead, helped secure a roster spot with their play on ST. Ditto for Winovich and others. I don't recall seeing Asiasi or Keene or Johnson on any ST.
 

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Fair point about a much higher number, but as you said, many of those are the long shots to make the roster, or even the PS.

I can't see them going with more than 4 TE/FB unless at least one of them proves to be a worthy multi-ST player. For example, I think Bolden, and even Burkhead, helped secure a roster spot with their play on ST. Ditto for Winovich and others. I don't recall seeing Asiasi or Keene or Johnson on any ST.
Last year:

Johnson played 37% of offensive snaps & 43% of special teams stats.

Keene played 14%/2%.

Asiasi played 21%/0%.

In 2019, Vitale played 16%/53% with the Packers.

So it seems Johnson/Vitale have ST value but Keene/Asiasi probably don't.
 

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With all the moves over the last 10 days, I thought it would be interesting (to me, at least) to look at the Pats depth chart, position by position. I'll keep it updated as more changes happen.

2020 listing refers to the end of the season. 2021 ranking, where noted, is my opinion.

I've moved all the guys who seem to be ST-only guys (e.g. Slater, Bethel, Davis) to their own category along with the usual ST specialists.

QB:
2020 -- (3) Newton, Stidham, Hoyer
2021 -- (2) Newton, Stidham.
Comments/Needs: I expect we will see at least one more, and likely two more added before training camp, a vet and a rookie to compete with Newton (to start) and with Stidham (to backup). I could see the final 53 with either 2 QBs or 3.

RB:
2020 -- (5/6) Harris, White, Michel, Taylor, Johnson, Burkhead (IR)
2021 -- (6) Harris, Michel, Taylor, Johnson, Bolden, Vitale
Comments/Needs: They likely need to bring in someone toat least compete to fill the 3rd-down, pass-catching role. I doubt that's White (I think he goes to TB). I wouldn't be surprised to see Burkhead re-signed to a vet min deal, with playing time incentives, and a likely PUP designation. Vitale and Johnson will likely copter for one FB spot. I wouldn't be sad if nothing else changes here from the group listed.
EDIT (3/18): Apparently Johnson was an exclusive rights FA, but they re-signed him anyway. No change to the chart, just a bit of bookkeeping.

WR:
2020 -- (5/6) Byrd, Meyers, Harry, Olszewski, Moncrief, Edelman (IR)
2021 -- (6) Agholor, Bourne, Meyers, Edelman, Harry, Lee, Olszewski (plus a bunch of PS/futures types)
Comments/Needs: Does Edelman or Harris get traded? Still room to upgrade, but clearly better than last year. I wonder if Byrd gets a deal similar to last year's. I'm tempted to move Gunner to the ST grouping, as he might be a WRINO, like Slater.
EDIT (3/18): Lee has been "terminated" (sounds worse than released, hmmm?).

TE:
2020 -- (2/3) Asiasi, Keene, Izzo (IR)
2021 -- (5) Henry, Smith, Asiasi, Keene, Izzo, LaCosse
Comments/Needs: At least two of the latter 4 are gone next year, and possibly three, if the Pats bring in another vet or rookie. I'd still like to see them bring in a Dwayne Allen-type road-grader. But assuming one or both of Asiasi/Keene can make the proverbial 2nd-year jump, then this position is notably improved.
EDIT (3/16) to add Henry. I'll leave my previous comments, as they seem fairly prescient. I imagine BB was confirming the deal with Henry while I was typing.
EDIT (3/18): Reflecting trade of Izzo to HOU.


OL:
2020 -- (9/11) Eluemenor, Thuney, Andrews, Mason, Onwenu, Herron, Ferentz, Cunningham, Martin (who?!!), Wynn (IR), Cajuste (IR)
2021 -- (9) Wynn, Onwenu, Mason, Brown, Herron, Cunningham, Cajuste, Karras, Andrews
Comments/Needs: Losing Thuney hurts and obviously a gaping hole at center, both starter and backup. Re-sign Andrews and all will be good here as I feel confident they can find some 3rd day draft picks to fill in the backup IOL. But until starting center is solved, this line is incomplete.
EDIT (3/17): Added Karras. Looking like Andrews won't be back.
EDIT (3/18): So happy to cross out my edit above to note that Andrews is back!


DL:
2020 -- (8/10) Winovich, Guy, Cowart, Simon, Wise, Butler, Bower, Spence, Davis (IR), Allen (IR)
2021 -- (6) Wino, Godchaux, Anderson, Wise, Davis, Allen, Adams
Comments/Needs: Butler and Guy remain unsigned free agents. I imagine one, but not both, get re-signed. I would expect we will see some Day 2 and/or Day 3 draft capital used here.
EDIT (3/18): Allen failed his physical so he's gone. Added Adams.
EDIT (3/19): Butler is off the possible returnee list.


LB:
2020 -- (5) Bentley, Hall, Uche, Jennings, Calhoun
2021 -- (8) Hightower, Judon, Bentley, Hall, Uche, Jennings, Van Noy, McMillan
Comments/Needs: High and Judon make for a HUGE upgrade here, pushing everyone else down a notch. Hall impressed me more than Bentley in the middle last year. I wonder if we might see High moved to OLB with Hall in the middle. I'd feel a lot better about their run D if we have Judon and High manning the two edges.
EDIT: So happy to add KVN back to the mix here. Assuming they run a 4-3, they will have a completely new starting LB corps compared to last year, without losing anyone. So last year's starters are this year's backups.
EDIT (3/19): Added McMillan


CB:
2020 -- (5/6) Jackson, JMac, Jones, Bryant, Williams, Gilmore (IR)
2021 -- (5) Gilmore, Mills, Jones, Bryant, Williams
Comments/Needs: Will JCJ get re-signed? Will Gilmore get extended or traded? Have we seen the last of JMac chasing guys? Will Williams play his way into a rotational spot? Did Bryant show us the next UDFA to starting CB or has he reached his ceiling? I expect we will see a CB drafted here on Day 3.

Safety:
2020 -- (4) DMac, Phillips, Dugger, Brooks
2021 -- (3) DMac, Phillips, Dugger, Chung
Comments/Needs: Will DMac get extended? Let's hope a year off has Chung fully healed up, and raring to go. I expect we will see a rookie drafted here on Day 3.
EDIT (3/18): Chung retires. I probably should move one of the CB's, be that Mills or Bryant or Williams over here. But I'll leave it as is for now.

ST:
2020 -- (6) Folk, Bailey, Cardona, Slater, Bethel, Davis
2021 -- (6) Folk, Bailey, Cardona, Slater, Bethel, Davis
Comments/Needs: Folk and Davis remain unsigned; I expect Folk (definitely) and Davis (probably) will get re-signed. Otherwise I don't see much happening here, other than Rohrwasser competing in camp.
EDIT (3/17): Davis re-signed (as expected).
EDIT (3/17): Folk re-signed (as expected).
White and Guy added back and just replying so this is on page 2.
 

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I still can’t get over that this team signed all those quality FAs and THEN brought back Andrews, White, and Guy. I would have predicted no more than 1 of these guys returning before all this started.
 

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Cross-posting from the offense thread

Pats Picker has been updated - they are going to have to trade and/or cut some guys with talent. It's tough getting to 53.
 

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My first shot at it:

QB (2) M.Jones, C.Newton
RB (4) S.Michel, J.White, J.Taylor, D.Harris
WR (6) N.Agholor, K.Bourne, J.Meyers, N.Harry, M.Slater, G.Olszewski
TE (3) J.Smith, H.Henry, D.Asiasi
C (2) D.Andrews, T.Karras
G (2) S.Mason, M.Onwenu
T (4) I.Wynn, W.Sherman, J.Herron, T.Brown
DE (2) D.Wise, H.Anderson
DT (4) L.Guy, C.Barmore, D.Godchaux, B.Cowart
ILB(3) D.Hightower, J.Bentley, T.Hall
OLB(6) M.Judon, K.VanNoy, C.Winovich, R.Perkins, A.Jennings, J.Uche
CB (7) S.Gilmore, J.Jackson, J.Williams, J.Bethel, J.Mills, M.Bryant, J.Jones
SS (3) K.Dugger, A.Phillips, J.Bledsoe
FS (2) D.McCourty, C.Davis
ST (3) N.Folk, J.Bailey, J.Cardona

Total players: 53
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I think they "redshirt" Stevenson. Keene goes bye-bye. Stidham gone, only 2 QBs. No FB because they go with the 2 TEs a lot. Lots of DBs.

I'm sure there'll be changes though. This was just a back-of-the-envelope kind of shot at it here.
 

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My first shot at it:

QB (2) M.Jones, C.Newton
RB (4) S.Michel, J.White, J.Taylor, D.Harris
WR (6) N.Agholor, K.Bourne, J.Meyers, N.Harry, M.Slater, G.Olszewski
TE (3) J.Smith, H.Henry, D.Asiasi
C (2) D.Andrews, T.Karras
G (2) S.Mason, M.Onwenu
T (4) I.Wynn, W.Sherman, J.Herron, T.Brown
DE (2) D.Wise, H.Anderson
DT (4) L.Guy, C.Barmore, D.Godchaux, B.Cowart
ILB(3) D.Hightower, J.Bentley, T.Hall
OLB(6) M.Judon, K.VanNoy, C.Winovich, R.Perkins, A.Jennings, J.Uche
CB (7) S.Gilmore, J.Jackson, J.Williams, J.Bethel, J.Mills, M.Bryant, J.Jones
SS (3) K.Dugger, A.Phillips, J.Bledsoe
FS (2) D.McCourty, C.Davis
ST (3) N.Folk, J.Bailey, J.Cardona

Total players: 53
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I think they "redshirt" Stevenson. Keene goes bye-bye. Stidham gone, only 2 QBs. No FB because they go with the 2 TEs a lot. Lots of DBs.

I'm sure there'll be changes though. This was just a back-of-the-envelope kind of shot at it here.
Looks about right although I’d rather give Taylor’s 53 roster spot to Stevenson in lieu of a redshirt year. If we lose Taylor, so be it.

Definitely some tough cuts/trades to make. Camp will be extremely competitive. Really underscores why making that Barmore trade was perfectly fine. Even 4th rounders would struggle to make this team.
 

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My first shot at it:

QB (2) M.Jones, C.Newton
RB (4) S.Michel, J.White, J.Taylor, D.Harris
WR (6) N.Agholor, K.Bourne, J.Meyers, N.Harry, M.Slater, G.Olszewski
TE (3) J.Smith, H.Henry, D.Asiasi
C (2) D.Andrews, T.Karras
G (2) S.Mason, M.Onwenu
T (4) I.Wynn, W.Sherman, J.Herron, T.Brown
DE (2) D.Wise, H.Anderson
DT (4) L.Guy, C.Barmore, D.Godchaux, B.Cowart
ILB(3) D.Hightower, J.Bentley, T.Hall
OLB(6) M.Judon, K.VanNoy, C.Winovich, R.Perkins, A.Jennings, J.Uche
CB (7) S.Gilmore, J.Jackson, J.Williams, J.Bethel, J.Mills, M.Bryant, J.Jones
SS (3) K.Dugger, A.Phillips, J.Bledsoe
FS (2) D.McCourty, C.Davis
ST (3) N.Folk, J.Bailey, J.Cardona

Total players: 53
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I think they "redshirt" Stevenson. Keene goes bye-bye. Stidham gone, only 2 QBs. No FB because they go with the 2 TEs a lot. Lots of DBs.

I'm sure there'll be changes though. This was just a back-of-the-envelope kind of shot at it here.
Looks pretty good. I think we keep at least one more skill position guy and at least one less defender. Four TEs seems like a strong possibility, especially if we’re planning to run out a lot of 12 personnel. Unless he really looks like a dog, Keene probably gets another chance.
 

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Looks pretty good. I think we keep at least one more skill position guy and at least one less defender. Four TEs seems like a strong possibility, especially if we’re planning to run out a lot of 12 personnel. Unless he really looks like a dog, Keene probably gets another chance.
Yeah, I'd agree with this. Keene stays, and one of Jennings/Wino ends up as a surprise cut.
 

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Yikes. I hope that they don't cut Wino for Keene. The former has his dipshit moments, but the latter has no moments at all.
Yeah, I'm basing it off a guesstimate future production opposed to past. It's a hot take, I guess.

Best player available, sure, but the drafting of Perkins says something. The signing of Judon and KVN says something. I expect Uche to be a better player than Wino. Judon/KVN/Uche/Perkins should all get more burn than Wino and Jennings.

Wino doesnt protect the edge well against the run, showed nothing in pass coverage the few times he dropped, and really had to play with his hair on fire to try and generate pressure. In fact, when I see people cite "pressures without sacks" for Wino, I think "seems about right", but not in a good way.

Hes easily neutralized by bigger and more skilled tackles - especially in the run game - and he doesnt ever require a double team or a chip by a TE to even help pull pressure off others.

Does he have the attitude we like? Absolutely. Love the guy. But if he is wiped out against the run, cant cover, and can only generate marginal pressure by going 150 percent? You can get that production from a JAG.

I know that's not a popular take, but its mine. I'll own it. Hope I'm wrong and he gets 15 sacks this season.
 

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My first shot at it:

QB (2) M.Jones, C.Newton
RB (4) S.Michel, J.White, J.Taylor, D.Harris
WR (6) N.Agholor, K.Bourne, J.Meyers, N.Harry, M.Slater, G.Olszewski
TE (3) J.Smith, H.Henry, D.Asiasi
C (2) D.Andrews, T.Karras
G (2) S.Mason, M.Onwenu
T (4) I.Wynn, W.Sherman, J.Herron, T.Brown
DE (2) D.Wise, H.Anderson
DT (4) L.Guy, C.Barmore, D.Godchaux, B.Cowart
ILB(3) D.Hightower, J.Bentley, T.Hall
OLB(6) M.Judon, K.VanNoy, C.Winovich, R.Perkins, A.Jennings, J.Uche
CB (7) S.Gilmore, J.Jackson, J.Williams, J.Bethel, J.Mills, M.Bryant, J.Jones
SS (3) K.Dugger, A.Phillips, J.Bledsoe
FS (2) D.McCourty, C.Davis
ST (3) N.Folk, J.Bailey, J.Cardona

Total players: 53
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I think they "redshirt" Stevenson. Keene goes bye-bye. Stidham gone, only 2 QBs. No FB because they go with the 2 TEs a lot. Lots of DBs.

I'm sure there'll be changes though. This was just a back-of-the-envelope kind of shot at it here.
FWIW. The Patriots have until tomorrow (May 3) to pick up the 5th year option on Sony Michel which according to SI seems unlikely. Wynn is in the same boat and according to that article also unlikely to be picked up. I could see a Sony trade to make room for Stevenson. I'd like to see Wynn stick around but his injury history is concerning.
 

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My only pet peeve is I think Slater should be grouped with the special teamed. He is not a functional WR and I think it throws off the true perception of depth
 

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Anytime slater is out there running Go routes is not a great time for the pats offense. Agreed that he’s not really a WR.
 

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My only pet peeve is I think Slater should be grouped with the special teamed. He is not a functional WR and I think it throws off the true perception of depth
Agreed. But that’s how the program works.
 

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I don't think Keene gets cut unless he's bad in camp--which isn't a revelation, but I just think they understand that last year was almost a lost year for some of these rookies and they knew that going in.
 
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I think there could be a few trade (possibilities) with the Houston Caserios - like Wino and/or JoeJuan Williams for some picks in 2022. (Edit: And/or Harry and Michel?)
 

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I think there could be a few trade (possibilities) with the Houston Caserios - like Wino and/or JoeJuan Williams for some picks in 2022. (Edit: And/or Harry and Michel?)
Yeah, I was thinking this would be a good season to offload some depth for some 2022 draft capital.
 

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Here's my crack at it:

QB (2) C.Newton, M.Jones
RB (6) D.Harris, J.White, S.Michel, J.Taylor, R.Stevenson, J.Johnson
WR (6) N.Agholor, K.Bourne, J.Meyers, N.Harry, G.Olszewski, M.Slater
TE (3) J.Smith, H.Henry, D.Asiasi
C (2) D.Andrews, T.Karras
G (2) S.Mason, M.Onwenu
T (4) I.Wynn, T.Brown, Y.Cajuste, J.Herron
DE (2) D.Wise, H.Anderson
DT (4) L.Guy, C.Barmore, D.Godchaux, B.Cowart
ILB(2) D.Hightower, R.McMillan
OLB(6) M.Judon, K.VanNoy, C.Winovich, J.Uche, R.Perkins, A.Jennings
CB (5) S.Gilmore, J.Jackson, J.Jones, J.Williams, J.Bethel
SS (2) K.Dugger, A.Phillips
FS (2) D.McCourty, J.Mills
ST (3) N.Folk, J.Bailey, J.Cardona

Total players: 51
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QB: Pretty straight forward here. Stiddy was never the answer and as much as I want to see Mac just to see something new, Cam likely starts the year as QB1.

RB: Tough cut here. I love Bolden. The guy plays hard and is amazing on ST. IF Stevenson gets "redshirted" Bolden creeps in. Vitale never had a chance. Johnson makes it due to his above average run blocking.

WR: Part of the reason I have 51 players is because I hope they add someone to this room. I have the slimmest hope that Harry has a mini breakout, just due to the fact that he was hurt his first year and then had a QB trying to learn the system on the fly during COVID in his second.

TE: Keene is another tough cut but there's no way they can afford to keep 4 TEs.

C: Andrews was one of the most important offseason re-signs and Karras is a decent backup.

G: The other reason I have 51. I fully expect them to add another interior olinemen. Mason and Onwenu are no brainers for your starters. Some of the tackles and Karras can backup here but I'd like to see one more body.

T: Wynn and Brown are your starters. Cajuste and Herron should be solid backups at G or T if healthy.

DL: Wise, Anderson, Guy, Barmore, Godchaux and Cowart are a lot of beef. These guys will be mixed around in 3 and 4 man fronts. Barmores addition makes Adams expendable.

LB: I fully expect McGrone to be "redshirted" while he heals up. I expect the chef to beat out Bentley. King or Reynolds could bounce someone out due to their ST contributions but I don't see it happening.

CB: Gilmore and Jackson are your starters. Jones is your slot guy. Williams could play FS in a pinch. Bethel is a ST ace.

S: Dugger is your in the box guy, with Phillips who looked surprisingly ok as a backup. DMC is the centerfielder and Mills can literally play anywhere in the secondary.

ST: Yup.

So yeah. Hopefully we see another WR, (Tre Nixon maybe?) and another olinemen (Najee Toran??) and then bring on 2021.
 
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Here's my crack at it:

QB (2) C.Newton, M.Jones
RB (6) D.Harris, J.White, S.Michel, J.Taylor, R.Stevenson, J.Johnson
WR (6) N.Agholor, K.Bourne, J.Meyers, N.Harry, G.Olszewski, M.Slater
TE (3) J.Smith, H.Henry, D.Asiasi
C (2) D.Andrews, T.Karras
G (2) S.Mason, M.Onwenu
T (4) I.Wynn, T.Brown, Y.Cajuste, J.Herron
DE (2) D.Wise, H.Anderson
DT (4) L.Guy, C.Barmore, D.Godchaux, B.Cowart
ILB(2) D.Hightower, R.McMillan
OLB(6) M.Judon, K.VanNoy, C.Winovich, J.Uche, R.Perkins, A.Jennings
CB (5) S.Gilmore, J.Jackson, J.Jones, J.Williams, J.Bethel
SS (2) K.Dugger, A.Phillips
FS (2) D.McCourty, J.Mills
ST (3) N.Folk, J.Bailey, J.Cardona

Total players: 51
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QB: Pretty straight forward here. Stiddy was never the answer and as much as I want to see Mac just to see something new, Cam likely starts the year as QB1.

RB: Tough cut here. I love Bolden. The guy plays hard and is amazing on ST. IF Stevenson gets "redshirted" Bolden creeps in. Vitale never had a chance. Johnson makes it due to his above average run blocking.

WR: Part of the reason I have 51 players is because I hope they add someone to this room. I have the slimmest hope that Harry has a mini breakout, just due to the fact that he was hurt his first year and then had a QB trying to learn the system on the fly during COVID in his second.

TE: Keene is another tough cut but there's no way they can afford to keep 4 TEs.

C: Andrews was one of the most important offseason re-signs and Karras is a decent backup.

G: The other reason I have 51. I fully expect them to add another interior olinemen. Mason and Onwenu are no brainers for your starters. Some of the tackles and Karras can backup here but I'd like to see one more body.

T: Wynn and Brown are your starters. Cajuste and Herron should be solid backups at G or T if healthy.

DL: Wise, Anderson, Guy, Barmore, Godchaux and Cowart are a lot of beef. These guys will be mixed around in 3 and 4 man fronts. Barmores addition makes Adams expendable.

LB: I fully expect McGrone to be "redshirted" while he heals up. I expect the chef to beat out Bentley. King or Reynolds could bounce someone out due to their ST contributions but I don't see it happening.

CB: Gilmore and Jackson are your starters. Jones is your slot guy. Williams could play FS in a pinch. Bethel is a ST ace.

S: Dugger is your in the box guy, with Phillips who looked surprisingly ok as a backup. DMC is the centerfielder and Mills can literally play anywhere in the secondary.

ST: Yup.

So yeah. Hopefully we see another WR, (Tre Nixon maybe?) and another olinemen (Najee Toran??) and then bring on 2021.
You don't think Hall will make the cut at IL?
 

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I think there could be a few trade (possibilities) with the Houston Caserios - like Wino and/or JoeJuan Williams for some picks in 2022. (Edit: And/or Harry and Michel?)
Not HOU... but I wonder if Miami would be a fit for Sony. Their RB room is okay, but not great, he probably makes their roster pretty easily.
 

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Looking at some of these 53-man rosters, I realize that there is almost certainly going to be a trade or a surprise cut in the DBs. There are 7 legit starting level vets, for what is 4-6 regular spots: Gilmore, JCJ, Jones, Mills, DMC, Phillips, and Dugger. Considering that DMC and Gilly tend to play 95%+ of the snaps, that's really 5 guys for 2 starting spots, plus nickel and dime.
 

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Looking at some of these 53-man rosters, I realize that there is almost certainly going to be a trade or a surprise cut in the DBs. There are 7 legit starting level vets, for what is 4-6 regular spots: Gilmore, JCJ, Jones, Mills, DMC, Phillips, and Dugger. Considering that DMC and Gilly tend to play 95%+ of the snaps, that's really 5 guys for 2 starting spots, plus nickel and dime.
Trades can be a good way to add draft picks in 2022 and beyond, restocking the draft shelves.
 

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Here's my crack at it:

QB (2) C.Newton, M.Jones
RB (6) D.Harris, J.White, S.Michel, J.Taylor, R.Stevenson, J.Johnson
WR (6) N.Agholor, K.Bourne, J.Meyers, N.Harry, G.Olszewski, M.Slater
TE (3) J.Smith, H.Henry, D.Asiasi
C (2) D.Andrews, T.Karras
G (2) S.Mason, M.Onwenu
T (4) I.Wynn, T.Brown, Y.Cajuste, J.Herron
DE (2) D.Wise, H.Anderson
DT (4) L.Guy, C.Barmore, D.Godchaux, B.Cowart
ILB(2) D.Hightower, R.McMillan
OLB(6) M.Judon, K.VanNoy, C.Winovich, J.Uche, R.Perkins, A.Jennings
CB (5) S.Gilmore, J.Jackson, J.Jones, J.Williams, J.Bethel
SS (2) K.Dugger, A.Phillips
FS (2) D.McCourty, J.Mills
ST (3) N.Folk, J.Bailey, J.Cardona

Total players: 51
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RB: Tough cut here. I love Bolden. The guy plays hard and is amazing on ST. IF Stevenson gets "redshirted" Bolden creeps in. Vitale never had a chance. Johnson makes it due to his above average run blocking.

TE: Keene is another tough cut but there's no way they can afford to keep 4 TEs.
How many times are they going to need a fullback with Henry and Smith playing a majority of the snaps? I think there's a chance Keene is kept as a hybrid and they move away from a fullback on the roster and simply get creative with the TEs.
 

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I don't think Keene gets cut unless he's bad in camp--which isn't a revelation, but I just think they understand that last year was almost a lost year for some of these rookies and they knew that going in.
Relative to my expectations, Keene played more than I expected and Asiasi contributed less. I think both are likely to make the 2021 roster, but it wouldn't be shocking to see them cut either.
 

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QB (3) C.Newton, M. Jones, J. Stidham
WR (4) N.Agholor, K.Bourne, J.Meyers, N.Harry
RB (5) D.Harris, J.White, R.Stevenson, S.Michel, D. Keene (FB/H-Back)
TE (3) J.Smith, H.Henry, D.Asiasi
C (2) D.Andrews, T.Karras
G (3) S.Mason, M.Onwenu, W. Sherman
T (4) I.Wynn, T.Brown, C. Herron, Waiver wire/TBD
DL (5) L.Guy, D.Godchaux, D.Wise, H.Anderson, C.Barmore
ILB(3) D.Hightower, J.Bentley, J. Uche
OLB(5) M.Judon, K.VanNoy, C.Winovich, R.Perkins, A.Jennings
CB (5) S.Gilmore, J.Jackson, J. Jones, J.Williams, M.Bryant
SS (2) A.Phillips, K.Dugger
FS (2) D.McCourty, J. Mills
ST (7) N.Folk, J.Bailey, J.Cardona, G.Olszewski, M.Slater, C.Davis, J. Bethel

The last spot came down to Stidham, JJ. Taylor, Bolden, Hall, and McMillan. I went with Stidham for the extra layer of depth at QB considering a 17 game season combined with the potential of COVID still being out there/quarantine scenarios where you don't want to be the Denver Broncos playing a practice squad WR as your starting QB because you're out of options.

For the final OL spot, I think they'll look for a cut-down candidate who they like better than Cajuste, Cunningham, Marcus Martin, etc. Maybe they trade for a guy, IDK.
 

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I believe Keene may still be eligible for the practice squad in 2021. I'm fairly certain Asiasi is not. That could play into some of the decisions at TE as well. Given that both were 3rd round picks, I do wonder if either would have any trade value (future 5th/6th or similar) if it came to that.
 

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I believe Keene may still be eligible for the practice squad in 2021. I'm fairly certain Asiasi is not. That could play into some of the decisions at TE as well. Given that both were 3rd round picks, I do wonder if either would have any trade value (future 5th/6th or similar) if it came to that.
There are exceptions to the eligibility rules (it was 6 guys last year with expanded PS; 2 before) so either will work ... if they can get through waivers.