Patriots select OG Cole Strange

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I initially thought the pick was a reach, but if BB thought Strange wouldn't be available much longer I have to trust his take. Looking back at round 1, I watched the Jets take 3 incredible talents and wonder if Strange wouldn't be a perfect addition for them early in the 2nd round. The media would forgive them "reaching" because they had already locked in 3 major "skill" players and picking an incredibly athletic LG who Saleh fell in love with at the Senior bowl would be reported as a great use of draft capital. I think as the days go by more and more real experts (GM's and coaches) will come forward and acknowledge that they had Strange higher on their boards than initially thought.
 

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I generally don't pay attention to draft grades, so feel free to pick this apart or add teams, but I feel like it's always Dallas and Baltimore that get lauded for the best draft classes the Monday after the draft. It's been almost 10 years since either of them have played in/won a Super Bowl. The whole "winning the draft" thing is so asinine and is part of the a larger obsession with "winning" arguments on the internet. How has that become the most valued commodity in the world?
Good point about Baltimore. We rightly laud them for being such a well run organization but they haven’t won jack in forever. Oh, and they finished last in their division this past year.
 

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Good point about Baltimore. We rightly laud them for being such a well run organization but they haven’t won jack in forever. Oh, and they finished last in their division this past year.
I suspect Baltimore gets a little more praise than they should for drafting because (1) Kiper is buddies with DeCosta and others in the Ravens organization so they get some praise from him, (2) they use a ton of picks, (3) their draft profile is "highly rated relatively low risk player from a big program" so if you pick up 12 guys who were close to the top of the board when you picked it works out pretty well for drafting.

They've been a pretty damn good team for the past 25 years though, were 14-2 recently, have been to the playoffs 4 times in 10 years since the superbowl despite losing a whole bunch of hall of famers/near hall of famers at about that time, so I think it's fair to give them at least some praise.
 

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Those knowledgeable people seem to be frequently wrong, often due to their outright expectation biases, that it’s hard to accept their evaluation as being correct. Several examples of the experts misjudging past Pats drafts have been shared in this thread. I recall those same experts calling McCourty’s ceiling as a special teams contributor and praising the selection of Harry.
Oh, I agree. I like the pick. My only quibble is I wish they had bundled later and/or future picks to move up instead of moving down from 21.

But the only comparison to Dugger is in the eyes of casual fans who would question any non-FBS player picked so early.
 
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Good point about Baltimore. We rightly laud them for being such a well run organization but they haven’t won jack in forever. Oh, and they finished last in their division this past year.
Two things can be true: they draft well and that’s not the only, or even the primary, means to a SB.
 

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I'm starting to warm up a little to the pick. Would have fairly happy with this guy if it was at 54, especially with their history of drafting at the speed positions in the 2nd round. Happy they didn't take him at 21. But hey if he creates holes for Ram and Har, and protects Mac, not a waste. Still a better pick than Ken Sims.

/ducks
 

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I think some of you are familiar with Arif Hasan at the Athletic? If not... I love the guy. Great work.

Arif does the Consensus Big Board every year. The consensus big board:

We’ve compiled a list of the top 300 prospects in the NFL Draft, and we will continue to update it until the day of the draft. Right now, there’s input from 82 different draft analysts.

This method has done a phenomenal job of predicting how the draft will go and where players are generally slotted. The consensus of these experts does a better predictive job than individual experts, and among those 80-plus analysts, the board itself has ranked in the top 10 in predicting draft order in each of the last three years — which is not something any individual expert can claim.
Cole Strange was 76th overall but I was higher on him, 53rd overall. I wondered how high I was on him vs the other 82 boards. I asked him this morning and he replied:

"Out of 82 boards, you were 11th-highest on Cole Strange. Had one person rank him 29th and one rank him 34th so I guess some people were as high on him as the Patriots were."

So there was a chunk of us (~12.5%) who saw him higher than others. It's still not great that he's so low on the CBB but at least there is a small minority that saw it as not-so-big of a reach.

If you listened to Scar on The Athletic podcast with Robert Mays (you should) he talks about small school prospects. How does he evaluate them and when would he not really care about them being in a small program? Scar replied that you watch them vs better programs first and see how they did (He dominated Kentucky) and then you see if they dominated their level of competition (6th highest graded OG via PFF last year + his tape backs that up so another check). And then they have to fit in the whole smart, athletic, and tough thing but we've been over that so it's another check.

If you want to hear Scar check out this link to the podcast.
 
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They've been a pretty damn good team for the past 25 years though, were 14-2 recently, have been to the playoffs 4 times in 10 years since the superbowl despite losing a whole bunch of hall of famers/near hall of famers at about that time, so I think it's fair to give them at least some praise.
In a league where 7 teams out of 16 make the playoffs, 4 times in 10 years isn't very good. Even with only 6 playoff teams, you'd expect to make the playoffs 3.75 times in 10 years on average. I don't think they deserve any kind of special credit for their performance over the past 10 years.
 
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I know you've been at this for a bit and take it very seriously (it shows in the extreme quality of your posting). I'm curious how you evaluate your progress or performance at your draft assessment. [Perhaps an opportunity for another thread, or perhaps an opportunity to point me at an existing thread? lol] Do you keep your picks year over year in a spreadsheet and inject some year end player performance value(s) into your own draft scores to create a draft grade/accuracy result for yourself? If so, how do you normalize that year X was a bad draft crop versus other years, or that position X was a bad year versus others? Do the folks at the CBB publish a ranking of the 82 contributing boards and rank you all for a predictive success of the draft outcome, and/or tracking success for where player performance reality is (like my previous question)?

Additionally, do you keep a sheet of weighting factors that you use to address the quirks/preferences of the NFL as a whole to make your draft predictions more accurate? In other words SMU_SOX has evaluated 2 OG players and you've given them both a grade of 80. But the small school flag or weighting factor means that OG Strange is weighted only 95% of your assessment grade when trying to predict where he lands. I ask out of general curiosity, I don't know if your goals/efforts at all lean towards caring about winning a mock draft, versus evaluating the players in general.

Just curious about the generalized mechanics that you use to measure yourself as time goes on. Not asking for any trade secrets or anything. Thank you!
 

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The extra year option is nice too.
This is where I'm at. If they can get the 5th year (age 29 for him) at a the 29th pick amount for an interior OL (pro bowls change this), that can be quite valuable at salary management. If he slides to the second and we grab him there, he ends up like Thuney grabbing a huge deal out of the cap budget.

Mac Jones' will end up being a number because he's a QB (the pro bowl kicker doesn't factor in since he was an alternate).
 

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Jim Murray says the Patriots are beyond stupid and anyone who disagrees is an idiot.

I'm 100% in on the Strange pick now.
 

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@RetractableRoof We were just mentioning that in the slack. So what I do every year is I take a look at the top 100 or so guys on my board and see how they did year 1, 2, 3, etc. I’ve learned a lot of lessons. I was reviewing the 2020 draft which is the first year I gave grades out. I made so many mistakes.

But let me give you one lesson as an example of what I do. So at the time there was a lot of love, myself included, for Patrick Queen. Now I didn't think he was a Patriots fit but I liked him. What I try to do is in my notes is talk about what the guy's strengths and weaknesses were so I know, ok Patrick Queen, he has really good vision and processing and athleticism but he is bad at taking on OL and stacking and shedding and gets washed out of a lot of plays. He's small too.

Then I checked his PFF grade out and googled and searched on twitter for how he performed. Patrick Queen, as smart and fast as he is, has struggled adjusting to life in the NFL. His issues pre-draft have unfortunately played out and despite his athleticism and processing he isn't able to execute against OL blockers and even some tight ends. So. This year. When we are talking about UGA ILB Nakobe Dean I am thinking - are there any guys like him in the NFL who I looked at before? Oh... right... Patrick Queen. Hmm, he has a similar profile to him and Queen has been a disappointment in his first 2 years. Dean has the same trapdoor that Queen did.

It's a sample size of 1 and I won't overgeneralize and say because Queen failed Dean will fail but it makes me consider how high I want to put Dean and if I think he has a lot of risk to his profile.
 

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@SMU_Sox - You're one of the best I know at this, but it just goes to show how frigging hard it is to get this stuff right. Even for the guys who do this for a living. You gotta get the player right, and then plug him in the right system, and even then a million things can go wrong, but just like any hire, you never REALLY know if it's a good hire until the person shows up to work. In every field, tons of prospective hires look great in the interview and then royally suck at their jobs. And of course the converse is true; some of the best people in their respective fields look like they're not going to be successful, and struggle to get hired; when they finally DO get hired, they crush it.
 

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I finally watched that McVay clip and I don't think he is clowning on BB whatsoever. He's laughing at himself for wasting time on the player thinking he might be available much later and the unpredictability of the draft in general.
 

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Let me give you another example. So I liked Odafe (Jayson was his Americanized nickname back then) Oweh from PSU. Now Oweh was a terrific run defender, with great size, length (IIRC), athleticism, and a great run defender. He got pressures but didn't have a sack in the 2020 college football season. His issue was he needed more pass rush moves. This year he had 5 sacks, 10 hits, and I think 34 hurries or something like that. His issue in college was he didn't have many pass rush moves. Didn't have a good plan of attack. This year the guy has added a bunch of moves and showed a much more solid pass rush attack plan. So when I think about prospects like him who have the kind of athleticism and other good traits he had but lacked pass rush moves I can now think to myself - I know it's at least POSSIBLE to get better with your use of hands and pass rush plan. Because sometimes with projecting guys it's hard to know which flaws are the easiest to fix vs the hardest. The only way to do that is by tracking how your past guys did.
 

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@RetractableRoof We were just mentioning that in the slack. So what I do every year is I take a look at the top 100 or so guys on my board and see how they did year 1, 2, 3, etc. I’ve learned a lot of lessons. I was reviewing the 2020 draft which is the first year I gave grades out. I made so many mistakes.

But let me give you one lesson as an example of what I do. So at the time there was a lot of love, myself included, for Patrick Queen. Now I didn't think he was a Patriots fit but I liked him. What I try to do is in my notes is talk about what the guy's strengths and weaknesses were so I know, ok Patrick Queen, he has really good vision and processing and athleticism but he is bad at taking on OL and stacking and shedding and gets washed out of a lot of plays. He's small too.

Then I checked his PFF grade out and googled and searched on twitter for how he performed. Patrick Queen, as smart and fast as he is, has struggled adjusting to life in the NFL. His issues pre-draft have unfortunately played out and despite his athleticism and processing he isn't able to execute against OL blockers and even some tight ends. So. This year. When we are talking about UGA ILB Nakobe Dean I am thinking - are there any guys like him in the NFL who I looked at before? Oh... right... Patrick Queen. Hmm, he has a similar profile to him and Queen has been a disappointment in his first 2 years. Dean has the same trapdoor that Queen did.

It's a sample size of 1 and I won't overgeneralize and say because Queen failed Dean will fail but it makes me consider how high I want to put Dean and if I think he has a lot of risk to his profile.
I get the feeling that Cole Strange would devour players like Queen and Dean. Big physical mismatch against that type of linebacker.
 

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@RetractableRoof We were just mentioning that in the slack. So what I do every year is I take a look at the top 100 or so guys on my board and see how they did year 1, 2, 3, etc. I’ve learned a lot of lessons. I was reviewing the 2020 draft which is the first year I gave grades out. I made so many mistakes.

But let me give you one lesson as an example of what I do. So at the time there was a lot of love, myself included, for Patrick Queen. Now I didn't think he was a Patriots fit but I liked him. What I try to do is in my notes is talk about what the guy's strengths and weaknesses were so I know, ok Patrick Queen, he has really good vision and processing and athleticism but he is bad at taking on OL and stacking and shedding and gets washed out of a lot of plays. He's small too.

Then I checked his PFF grade out and googled and searched on twitter for how he performed. Patrick Queen, as smart and fast as he is, has struggled adjusting to life in the NFL. His issues pre-draft have unfortunately played out and despite his athleticism and processing he isn't able to execute against OL blockers and even some tight ends. So. This year. When we are talking about UGA ILB Nakobe Dean I am thinking - are there any guys like him in the NFL who I looked at before? Oh... right... Patrick Queen. Hmm, he has a similar profile to him and Queen has been a disappointment in his first 2 years. Dean has the same trapdoor that Queen did.

It's a sample size of 1 and I won't overgeneralize and say because Queen failed Dean will fail but it makes me consider how high I want to put Dean and if I think he has a lot of risk to his profile.
Interesting answer. Thank you. Follow up question given your answer would be: does it make sense then to go back into the last season or two and invert your analysis. Identify 10 or so players who had unexpected results (maybe start with "redrafting the year X draft" lists and grabbing the top 5 or 10 risers from 2 straight years and do an honest eval of the players as if they were new draftable players and see what/where your process would have/did differ. What skills did you not value enough - or was the success a function of the system they were drafted into. Some of that might be opportunity though (player X would never have had so many tackles in team Ys system, because he couldn't have gotten the game reps behind so and so). I guess I'm trying to express if "small school" is a discount flag for most teams, are there other positive flags for success (that's the holy grail, right?) that teams tend to undervalue. BB tends to have a leadership flag that he values in a way that other teams might not. Seems most teams have a "Nick Saban" flag or an SEC flag perhaps. [Note: your Odafe Oweh is the kind of thinking I am getting at. Sounds like there is a positive flag for Greek Freak athletes with a high motor who maybe haven't had adequate time (or caoching quality) to be coached up yet. A post draft riser.] [Edit, this example of mine is dead obvious, right - I just mean what other indicators can be mined from re-examining 'over looked/undervalued' players.]

Thanks again.
 
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I finally watched that McVay clip and I don't think he is clowning on BB whatsoever. He's laughing at himself for wasting time on the player thinking he might be available much later and the unpredictability of the draft in general.
I've kind of been afraid to say that since the consensus on the board seemed to be that he was being an asshole here.

I genuinely thought he was impressed at how high he went and laughing a little bit at how everyone thinks they know what's going to happen, but that there's no such thing as "secrets" in the NFL draft.

The better story is that he was mocking Belichick. And who wants to deny a good story? But the truth is that was probably a mile away from what was truly in his head.
 

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I finally watched that McVay clip and I don't think he is clowning on BB whatsoever. He's laughing at himself for wasting time on the player thinking he might be available much later and the unpredictability of the draft in general.
I agree. Especially when you had in how reverential he's been about BB my interpretation of the joke was "we thought we were smart looking at this guy with our first (104) pick and then the greatest coach every takes him 29, shows how silly we were thinking he would last".
 

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@RetractableRoof We were just mentioning that in the slack. So what I do every year is I take a look at the top 100 or so guys on my board and see how they did year 1, 2, 3, etc. I’ve learned a lot of lessons. I was reviewing the 2020 draft which is the first year I gave grades out. I made so many mistakes.

But let me give you one lesson as an example of what I do. So at the time there was a lot of love, myself included, for Patrick Queen. Now I didn't think he was a Patriots fit but I liked him. What I try to do is in my notes is talk about what the guy's strengths and weaknesses were so I know, ok Patrick Queen, he has really good vision and processing and athleticism but he is bad at taking on OL and stacking and shedding and gets washed out of a lot of plays. He's small too.

Then I checked his PFF grade out and googled and searched on twitter for how he performed. Patrick Queen, as smart and fast as he is, has struggled adjusting to life in the NFL. His issues pre-draft have unfortunately played out and despite his athleticism and processing he isn't able to execute against OL blockers and even some tight ends. So. This year. When we are talking about UGA ILB Nakobe Dean I am thinking - are there any guys like him in the NFL who I looked at before? Oh... right... Patrick Queen. Hmm, he has a similar profile to him and Queen has been a disappointment in his first 2 years. Dean has the same trapdoor that Queen did.

It's a sample size of 1 and I won't overgeneralize and say because Queen failed Dean will fail but it makes me consider how high I want to put Dean and if I think he has a lot of risk to his profile.
Thanks for this and your other anecdote.

Going back and re-teaching your system is a tremendous amount of work and also critical to becoming more accurate. I think that I speak for everyone here in thanking you for the efforts.
 

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Honest question: even if you think the guy you like at, for example, 21 will still be available at, say, 40, can it possibly still be worthwhile to take him in the first round because of the extra year of control?
 

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Honest question: even if you think the guy you like at, for example, 21 will still be available at, say, 40, can it possibly still be worthwhile to take him in the first round because of the extra year of control?
Maybe depending on the position? But honestly you can tag the second round guy after four years for a number not too too different from the fifth year option so I'm not sure it matters that much in practice.
 

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Don't have an opinion on OG Strange and his relative value, not my skill set. Just an observation though. As more and more former Patriot FO personnel (coaches, assistants, GMs, scouts) are scattered around the NFL things evolve. I think it was a couple of years ago (can't remember the details) that the Vrabel jumped one or two draft spots ahead of BB to grab a player that was almost universally seen as BB's pick in waiting. I think when Patricia was in Detroit he grabbed a defensive player I thought BB was in line for. It stands to reason that defensively the Vrabel's might want what the Pats want, offensively the McDaniel's might want what the Pats want. In that climate (which I think it is a degree or two more specific than 'most teams in the NFL are after similar profiles') I can't blame BB for reaching first into a limited pool at a position where he wants a player. If there really are only 2 interior OL guys left that meet the Pats criteria (which I think is what @SMU_Sox indicated) at that position, and they valued adding a body at the position - why wait/hesitate? Imo, if he waits there is a higher chance they get beaten to the player than another team might experience. In some ways, it's the same process for why BB often 'reaches' for or 'overvalues' high end special team players. He's paying a premium to take those players before other teams, knowing/banking they will contribute for years at impact positions - and often have a longevity that makes the premium paid easily justified.

Who knows, maybe in early draft discussions Strange was identified as a player to watch and McDaniels was part of the discussion before he left? That in itself could be enough for BB to pay a premium for him if the draft grade was high enough. 7th highest OG grading in how many years seems like a good reason to pay a bit more. In the end only BB (and staff) know how much of a premium they felt they were paying relative to their internal grading, right?
 

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Maybe depending on the position? But honestly you can tag the second round guy after four years for a number not too too different from the fifth year option so I'm not sure it matters that much in practice.
It delays the compounding of the franchise tag that happens on a second, third, etc (not that many people ever go for a third tag since it gets so expensive)
 

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It delays the compounding of the franchise tag that happens on a second, third, etc (not that many people ever go for a third tag since it gets so expensive)
That's definitely true but I don't think it's common enough to justify picking someone all that much higher in the draft. How often does someone get double tagged or get a fifth year option then tagged? It can make sense, i'd rather have the optionality, but can't imagine it's worth more than a couple picks
 

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I finally watched that McVay clip and I don't think he is clowning on BB whatsoever. He's laughing at himself for wasting time on the player thinking he might be available much later and the unpredictability of the draft in general.

Hm. That I could kinda see maybe. It's a far more charitable interpretation.
 

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I read the McVay video as a bit of both. Legitimate interest in the player, legitimate surprise at him going 29, and amusement likely at both the hope they could have had him at 104 and the perceived reach. Even in the least flattering reading, who cares? You win the Super Bowl, you get to talk some harmless shit without it being a serious slight.

And personally, as much as I love the Patriots and there are a couple teams I truly loathe, I can't do the us against the world outrage thing outside of select times when it's part of the fan experience like the 2001 run and Deflategate. Just not a fun way to be a fan of the sport, imo, but to each their own.
 

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Don't have an opinion on OG Strange and his relative value, not my skill set. Just an observation though. As more and more former Patriot FO personnel (coaches, assistants, GMs, scouts) are scattered around the NFL things evolve. I think it was a couple of years ago (can't remember the details) that the Vrabel jumped one or two draft spots ahead of BB to grab a player that was almost universally seen as BB's pick in waiting. I think when Patricia was in Detroit he grabbed a defensive player I thought BB was in line for. It stands to reason that defensively the Vrabel's might want what the Pats want, offensively the McDaniel's might want what the Pats want. In that climate (which I think it is a degree or two more specific than 'most teams in the NFL are after similar profiles') I can't blame BB for reaching first into a limited pool at a position where he wants a player. If there really are only 2 interior OL guys left that meet the Pats criteria (which I think is what @SMU_Sox indicated) at that position, and they valued adding a body at the position - why wait/hesitate? Imo, if he waits there is a higher chance they get beaten to the player than another team might experience. In some ways, it's the same process for why BB often 'reaches' for or 'overvalues' high end special team players. He's paying a premium to take those players before other teams, knowing/banking they will contribute for years at impact positions - and often have a longevity that makes the premium paid easily justified.
Good memory here.

I had forgotten about this and flashed back to it reading this.

In 2018 Tennessee jumped from #22 to #25 to take LB Rashaan Evans one pick ahead of Pats spot where they took Isaiah Wynn.
 

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Sean McVay reached out to Bill Belichick, Cole Strange after viral video from first-round - masslive.com
“What I would add to that is: I wish that it wouldn’t have gotten misunderstood,” McVay said. “It was more of a reflection of — I was actually giving Les some (expletive) because when we started watching him, I think we both were in agreement there’s no way he’d be there because we like the player so much. And if there’s anybody that has more respect for Coach Belichick, what he’s done, than I do, I’d like to see him. Because I have tremendous respect for this profession, for the players that play at this level, and I would never want it to get misunderstood for Cole Strange or the Patriots organization, that anything but respect for the player. That was my reaction, and any misunderstanding was my fault for the way that I probably communicated that.”
 

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As a Pat fan the NFL draft is the equivalent of a socks and underwear Christmas morning. I'm used to it. I expect it. It still hurts.

Please don't come at me with logic or facts. I know I NEED socks and underwear.

That is all.
 

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As a Pat fan the NFL draft is the equivalent of a socks and underwear Christmas morning. I'm used to it. I expect it. It still hurts.

Please don't come at me with logic or facts. I know I NEED socks and underwear.

That is all.
But wouldn’t a flashy new jacket also be nice?
 

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Strange went back and edited his IG posts---so now there's video of him visiting the Bucs facility and below it it says "Let's go Patriots!"
 

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So he's 7th of 1300 in the athleticism rating, any idea how the others at the top of that have fared? Is that at all an indicator of success?
I believe this has the list (filter by position)
  1. Brandon Brooks - 3rd rounder, 10 year career, 3x Pro Bowl
  2. Evan Mathis - 3rd rounder, 11 year pro, PFF all-decade team, 2x Pro Bowl, 1x All-Pro
  3. Justin Sands - undrafted, no career
  4. Blake Muir - undrafted, bounced around some teams, out of football
  5. Eric Steinbach - 2nd rounder, 9 year pro, started a lot of games but I think a mostly undistinguished career.
  6. David Baas - 2nd rounder, 8 year pro, up and down, injury issues
  7. Chasz Wright - undrafted, didn’t catch on
  8. Strange (tied with Wright)
  9. Ali Marpet
  10. Steve Hutchinson (Hall of Fame)
 

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So he's 7th of 1300 in the athleticism rating, any idea how the others at the top of that have fared? Is that at all an indicator of success?
Brandon Brooks- Drafted in the 3rd, 108 starts, went to the Pro-Bowl 3 consecutive years
Evan Mathis- Drafted in the 3rd, 94 starts (134 games) 2 pro-bowls, a 1st team All-Pro.
Justin Sands- undrafted, didn't make the Bills roster
Blake Muir- bounced around rosters for 3 years, never played a game
Eric Steinbach - picked in the 2nd, 124 NFL starts (1 pro-bowl alternate)
David Baas- picked in the 2nd, 84 starts (122 games)

Just after him are:
Chasz Wright who went undrafted in 2019 and never sniffed the league.
Ali Marpet- drafted in the 2nd, Started 101 games, made the pro-bowl last year, retired early at only 29
Steve Hutchinson- drafted 17th overall, started 169 games, made 7 pro-bowls and 7 All-Pro teams oneof the best all time

Edit- just got beat. I'd say that based on this... 7 of 10 got drafted... every single one who got drafted had at the very least a long-term NFL career, and 4 of the 9 were approaching Pro-Bowl level players or better.
 

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Maybe the mobile site is tripping. I was on that page & saw nothing of the sort, even though I've messed with RAS filters a lot in the past.

Thx.
 

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As a Pat fan the NFL draft is the equivalent of a socks and underwear Christmas morning. I'm used to it. I expect it. It still hurts.

Please don't come at me with logic or facts. I know I NEED socks and underwear.

That is all.
Yes exactly. A part of me died back when they picked Mankins and he made all-pro and all decade so I’ve just had to let go.

Like the tweet from Chatham up thread, this Strange pick plus the $ and resources spent in past years on Mankins and Thuney (franchise tag instead of trying to trade ? !) really says BB values LG much closer to LT.
 

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Brandon Brooks- Drafted in the 3rd, 108 starts, went to the Pro-Bowl 3 consecutive years
Evan Mathis- Drafted in the 3rd, 94 starts (134 games) 2 pro-bowls, a 1st team All-Pro.
Justin Sands- undrafted, didn't make the Bills roster
Blake Muir- bounced around rosters for 3 years, never played a game
Eric Steinbach - picked in the 2nd, 124 NFL starts (1 pro-bowl alternate)
David Baas- picked in the 2nd, 84 starts (122 games)

Just after him are:
Chasz Wright who went undrafted in 2019 and never sniffed the league.
Ali Marpet- drafted in the 2nd, Started 101 games, made the pro-bowl last year, retired early at only 29
Steve Hutchinson- drafted 17th overall, started 169 games, made 7 pro-bowls and 7 All-Pro teams oneof the best all time

Edit- just got beat. I'd say that based on this... 7 of 10 got drafted... every single one who got drafted had at the very least a long-term NFL career, and 4 of the 9 were approaching Pro-Bowl level players or better.
Thanks!
 

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I believe this has the list (filter by position)
  1. Brandon Brooks - 3rd rounder, 10 year career, 3x Pro Bowl
  2. Evan Mathis - 3rd rounder, 11 year pro, PFF all-decade team, 2x Pro Bowl, 1x All-Pro
  3. Justin Sands - undrafted, no career
  4. Blake Muir - undrafted, bounced around some teams, out of football
  5. Eric Steinbach - 2nd rounder, 9 year pro, started a lot of games but I think a mostly undistinguished career.
  6. David Baas - 2nd rounder, 8 year pro, up and down, injury issues
  7. Chasz Wright - undrafted, didn’t catch on
  8. Strange (tied with Wright)
  9. Ali Marpet
  10. Steve Hutchinson (Hall of Fame)
I will pretty much die on the hill of "BB felt very strongly that Tampa was going to draft Strange with pick 33." As it turned out the next OG (albeit an OT who many think can play OG) drafted after Strange was by Tampa Bay at pick #57, and a pick where they felt strongly enough about that they traded up to get.