HallelujahCenters don't have to shoot from the outside if everyone else does, look at Baynes, Capela, Bogut when GS was dominant, Thompson, etc. etc. There is still a role for the defending, rebounding, screen-setting hard rolling big in the league.
Are there benefits of Golden State doing a "Durant sign and trade" to up his total pay package and make it a 5-year deal (Nets may even want that extra year guaranteed) for more money?Folks on ESPN Radio this morning giving off strong indications that KD to Nets should be leader in clubhouse.
Yup, they took away that option to try and give incumbents more of an advantage in FA. It didn't work at all, because incumbents have an almost infinite advantage in RFA anyway, and players on their 3rd deal generally don't care about the money at all. Even CP3, after working hard to get 5-year deals for the olds in the new CBA, was fine doing his 5th year with Houston as only a partial guarantee iirc.Can't do the 5 year sign and trades. There is no benefit to the player in sign and trades - besides going to a team that does not have the cap space to sign him outright
The Thunder might move Steven Adams to save $$$.Centers don't have to shoot from the outside if everyone else does, look at Baynes, Capela, Bogut when GS was dominant, Thompson, etc. etc. There is still a role for the defending, rebounding, screen-setting hard rolling big in the league.
No, Al would make more, and they're trying to shed luxury tax.Adams would only be a two-year commitment instead of four, and at less money that it would take to bring in Vucevic.
Is that a possible Al sign-and-trade destination?
WCS from Sacramento might become an UFA. He has no three-point range to speak of at this point, and his FT shooting doesn't give a lot of confidence that he'll get any. He can run the floor though, but not sure he fits.The Thunder might move Steven Adams to save $$$.
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/free-agent-and-trade-options-celtics-go-big-man-hunting-summer
When a center gets played off the floor, it’s almost always due to his defense, not his offense, so I don’t worry as much about the shooting part there.WCS from Sacramento might become an UFA. He has no three-point range to speak of at this point, and his FT shooting doesn't give a lot of confidence that he'll get any. He can run the floor though, but not sure he fits.
One rumor was that KD might sign a 5 year deal on the premise that he’d spend the next year rehabbing with them and then get traded to a team of his choice next summer. He’d get an extra $57 million in security, and Golden State would get something (if only a trade exception) in return.Can't do the 5 year sign and trades. There is no benefit to the player in sign and trades - besides going to a team that does not have the cap space to sign him outright
According to @WindhorstESPN, a potential scenario the Warriors are discussing is signing Kevin Durant to a 5-Year contract, take care of him financially, rehab him, and then potential work with him to be traded.One rumor was that KD might sign a 5 year deal on the premise that he’d spend the next year rehabbing with them and then get traded to a team of his choice next summer. He’d get an extra $57 million in security, and Golden State would get something (if only a trade exception) in return.
should this even be allowed?According to @WindhorstESPN, a potential scenario the Warriors are discussing is signing Kevin Durant to a 5-Year contract, take care of him financially, rehab him, and then potential work with him to be traded.
Go to 1:17 for Windy commentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y-ELHb9cDI
He’s free to sign elsewhere in FA, and the Warriors would be deep into the tax. Seems like a clear win-win if they do it.should this even be allowed?
CBA peeps: at what point post-signing the 5-year would he become tradeable?According to @WindhorstESPN, a potential scenario the Warriors are discussing is signing Kevin Durant to a 5-Year contract, take care of him financially, rehab him, and then potential work with him to be traded.
Go to 1:17 for Windy commentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y-ELHb9cDI
yes and no. Technically they can't have an actual agreement, so GS would hypothetically be free to either refuse to trade him after he signed, or trade him somewhere else. A S&T is one transaction, this is really just signing a guy with a non-binding promise to take care of him by sending him where he wants at the end of the year.should this even be allowed?
Couldn’t he get a no-trade to de-risk them moving him to a non-desired destination?yes and no. Technically they can't have an actual agreement, so GS would hypothetically be free to either refuse to trade him after he signed, or trade him somewhere else. A S&T is one transaction, this is really just signing a guy with a non-binding promise to take care of him by sending him where he wants at the end of the year.
One of Rhode Island's best basketball players the past couple of decades. I still remember him playing Boogie Cousins man to man in a box and one defensive scheme when WVU upset Kentucky in the NCAA tournament in 2010.The Celtics are hiring Fairmont (WV) State coach Joe Mazzulla as an assistant coach, league sources tell ESPN. Mazzulla made a strong impression with Celtics G League staff before returning to college two years ago. He played for John Beilein at WVU.
--Woj
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1142957795618279425
That would be my guess, too.Going to come back on a 1 + 1 I betcha.
Given the history of Achilles injuries and 30+ year-olds, it’s not that crazy. It’s not hard for me to imagine that he and the organization have enough trust/overlapping incentives to work that out—not every relationship has to be contractually mediated.I don’t buy that KD would give up control over his destination to GS just to get guaranteed money four years from now.
What are the odds KD never comes back from this injury? Is it 10%. Plus what are the odds he is a lesser KD on his return (he will be a year and half older)Given the history of Achilles injuries and 30+ year-olds, it’s not that crazy. It’s not hard for me to imagine that he and the organization have enough trust/overlapping incentives to work that out—not every relationship has to be contractually mediated.
If the Warriors do this, it indicates they feel a need to do right by him to maintain themselves as a FA destination, which is further incentive for them to behave well.
I just can't see a way either party agrees to this -- there's just so much downside for everyone. If GSW gives him the supermax with the plan on trading him to where he wants to go next year, they have to forecast out a year for whichever franchise(s) are on his list to make sure money matches up. Maybe he doesn't recover fully and the handshake deal falls apart, and they're paying a ton of money they never planned on paying.Given the history of Achilles injuries and 30+ year-olds, it’s not that crazy. It’s not hard for me to imagine that he and the organization have enough trust/overlapping incentives to work that out—not every relationship has to be contractually mediated.
If the Warriors do this, it indicates they feel a need to do right by him to maintain themselves as a FA destination, which is further incentive for them to behave well.
No, it is not allowed, but it would depend on the circumstances. If GS and Durant have agreed to the terms of a delayed sign-and-trade then it would be a clear circumvention of the salary cap and the league would likely punish them heavily. If it's just a "make-good, we'll trade if you want later" type of thing then it's more of a gray area.Why shouldn't it be?
FYI, there is no supermax for 10 year vets. We use that designation for players signed to DVPE deals which involve a premature step-up (i.e. a seven year vet signing a 35% max deal). Once you've been in the league ten years there is no more supermax, because 35% is the maximum cap figure for a contract to start at. And to be eligible for the DVPE you need to still be with the team that drafted you.I just can't see a way either party agrees to this -- there's just so much downside for everyone. If GSW gives him the supermax with the plan on trading him to where he wants to go next year, they have to forecast out a year for whichever franchise(s) are on his list to make sure money matches up. Maybe he doesn't recover fully and the handshake deal falls apart, and they're paying a ton of money they never planned on paying.
If you're KD you're putting all of your faith in GSW to not trade you to a place you don't want to go to and that your recovery will go as planned. He'd have to know that once he signs a contract, he's just an asset and GSW can do whatever they like with him and his contract. And I don't care how much goodwill he's engendered with the Warriors, the NBA is a business firs The Clippers retired Blake Griffin's number then traded him three months later.
Exactly, re the bolded. Humans are quite good at navigating these multi-iteration, multi-party trust games without contracts. Particularly when the game is limited in scope and number of players.FYI, there is no supermax for 10 year vets. We use that designation for players signed to DVPE deals which involve a premature step-up (i.e. a seven year vet signing a 35% max deal). Once you've been in the league ten years there is no more supermax, because 35% is the maximum cap figure for a contract to start at. And to be eligible for the DVPE you need to still be with the team that drafted you.
As for Golden State, they would basically be committing harakiri at the agent level by pulling something like that. They'd be announcing to everyone that that front office could never be trusted again (because this would be a handshake deal to circumvent the CBA it's not like the agent has any recourse, Durant would just be screwed after doing Golden State a solid and letting them recoup something for his exit).
Go for it. And with no KD this year, Irving can piss off whatever youngsters they keep around.Brooklyn is so confident in their chances to sign both KD and Kyrie that officials are characterizing it as "their race to lose".
https://twitter.com/LegionHoopsRoss/status/1143211078966534144
This gives us a shot at Russell (along with everyone else with the space) without them being able to match right? I think I prefer him over Vuc or Kemba.Brooklyn is so confident in their chances to sign both KD and Kyrie that officials are characterizing it as "their race to lose".
https://twitter.com/LegionHoopsRoss/status/1143211078966534144
Yes I would think the Nets would renounce Russell at that point and he'd be a UFA.This gives us a shot at Russell (along with everyone else with the space) without them being able to match right? I think I prefer him over Vuc or Kemba.
Yeah, the Celtics were very confident that they could keep Kyrie happy for a year and then lock down AD. Worked out well.Go for it. And with no KD this year, Irving can piss off whatever youngsters they keep around.
I'm here for all of it.
Make a max offer to Russell when the bell opens and force Brooklyn to let him go. Even if he’s not ideal at a first max with his uptrending he’s going to be a future trade asset.Yes I would think the Nets would renounce Russell at that point and he'd be a UFA.
Surprised that Atlanta would do this without getting some kind of pick back. I guess they shed a little salary in the process (~$600K) but Bazemore is the superior player. For Portland they get their SF insurance since they won't be able to bring back Rodney Hood this offseason.Portland has traded Evan Turner to Atlanta for Kent Bazemore.
Love this. There is nothing available next year either. They'll continue to suck for a long time if they miss out this signing period.If Knicks miss out on KD, Irving, and Kawhi they will roll over their cap space.
https://sports.yahoo.com/report-knicks-roll-over-cap-151445898.html
It’s not really fun for me anymore, just sad.Love this. There is nothing available next year either. They'll continue to suck for a long time if they miss out this signing period.