Can't argue with anything in that assessment.For those without access, he has Daniels #2 to Washington, but says it's really close.
That pass block win rate is vomitous.
Can't argue with anything in that assessment.For those without access, he has Daniels #2 to Washington, but says it's really close.
I think I like him the least.I actually like Maye out of the 3 so this makes me happy.
And Mel agrees with you.I think I like him the least.
On the plus side I see the Herbert Comps with size, mobility (though I don;t think his arm is close to Herbert's) but.....
If you told me one of the top 3 was a total bust, I'd pick Maye as most likely. He has a lot of Wentz in him, his instincts seem terrible, he does weird things with his release/arm action that cause inaccuracies...and I really dislike dumb QBs, and he seems really dumb on the field.
To me, Maye has the 2nd highest ceiling probably, but also the lowest floor (reasonable floor, every player's floor is just not NFL quality).
The result would be a rule change and a loss of the Patriots 2025 first rounder.Do the Pats have the juice to head fake the Commanders to take the guy they don't want, letting the guy they do want fall to them?
Patriots actually were just docked the 3rd pick because of the possibility.The result would be a rule change and a loss of the Patriots 2025 first rounder.
Yeah, I'd say the difference i have is I don't see an Allen style runner in Maye, I see a Herbert/Lawrence type where he can take off sometimes, but he's not going to be a true weapon like AllenAnd Mel agrees with you.
Now I haven't watched all three extensively, but I have watched all three. I just like Maye's size and mobility to an Allen comp. And you can say Allen is a "dumb QB" as well with some of his decision making, but the pluses are there.
I just think if you are gonna have a mobile QB, better to have one with some size.
You just never know with any of these guys until they are in the show.
I still can’t believe that Ainge had the nerve to make that Tatum trade.Do the Pats have the juice to head fake the Commanders to take the guy they don't want, letting the guy they do want fall to them?
Yeah, as someone who also at least prefers Maye to Daniels (and may to Williams as well), its hard to see Maye as a Josh Allen value runner. That said, I think he has a bit more in him as a designed runner (as compared with a guy who can bring value when a play breaks down) than Herbert/Lawrence, but its more of a matter of some small incremental benefit in the same general tier than a guy who is likely to be able to dominate the run game in the way like Allen can.Yeah, I'd say the difference i have is I don't see an Allen style runner in Maye, I see a Herbert/Lawrence type where he can take off sometimes, but he's not going to be a true weapon like Allen
Fucking irony of all ironies that this happened. I'm still salty too.Edit - And fuck our idiot kicker who’s one big kick all year, and cost us a draft spot.
Yeah. I guess i should have said closer to Allen than the other two.Yeah, as someone who also at least prefers Maye to Daniels (and may to Williams as well), its hard to see Maye as a Josh Allen value runner. That said, I think he has a bit more in him as a designed runner (as compared with a guy who can bring value when a play breaks down) than Herbert/Lawrence, but its more of a matter of some small incremental benefit in the same general tier than a guy who is likely to be able to dominate the run game in the way like Allen can.
That and he missed the Giants kick that would've sent it to OT against DeVito. Kinda evens out, and in the whole Ryland probably contributed more to them being 3 than costing them 2.I mean, they could’ve easily won in OT anyways.
You and me both.I actually like Maye out of the 3 so this makes me happy.
Isn't there a very good chance that whatever QB we draft, especially if it's Maye, is going to sit most of next year? That gives us two years of drafts and free agency to clean up the OL.Yeah. I guess i should have said closer to Allen than the other two.
I may be just worried too much about our OL and getting whoever we select killed.
I’d be pretty surprised, I think they’re probably hoping for something like what happened with Stroud and Houston.Isn't there a very good chance that whatever QB we draft, especially if it's Maye, is going to sit most of next year? That gives us two years of drafts and free agency to clean up the OL.
Not if it's a QB they pick at 3. They may feign a competition in camp but you'd think any of the top 3 guys would easily win that competition against Mac/Zappe/flotsam.Isn't there a very good chance that whatever QB we draft, especially if it's Maye, is going to sit most of next year? That gives us two years of drafts and free agency to clean up the OL.
I think there's a chance. Very good? I wouldn't count on it. Especially if the room stays the same.Isn't there a very good chance that whatever QB we draft, especially if it's Maye, is going to sit most of next year? That gives us two years of drafts and free agency to clean up the OL.
1st round QB's don't really sit a year anymore. The only outlier in recent drafts are Trey Lance and Jordan Love. Lance was drafted behind Jimmy G and obviously Love was behind Rodgers so it wasn't pressing. Basically all the other QB's were either week 1 starters or eventually took over in year 1 (Pickett, Haskins).Isn't there a very good chance that whatever QB we draft, especially if it's Maye, is going to sit most of next year? That gives us two years of drafts and free agency to clean up the OL.
The only reason for the Pats to sit a rookie QB is if they do nothing to address the abysmal OL situation. Assuming that they spend some FA and draft capital on tackles and some WR/TE help, may as well let the man learn on the job.1st round QB's don't really sit a year anymore. The only outlier in recent drafts are Trey Lance and Jordan Love. Lance was drafted behind Jimmy G and obviously Love was behind Rodgers so it wasn't pressing. Basically all the other QB's were either week 1 starters or eventually took over in year 1 (Pickett, Haskins).
Last two years of college rushing:Does anyone understand what a monster Josh Allen is? Maye has some run in him but comparing him to Allen in any way as a runner is folly.
To be fair he'd be DUMB to make these moves.I love that we are ripping on Mayo for moves that we are imaging him make
But who is the #3 QB? Couch was taken #1 when Akili went #3. Zach Wilson went #2 when Lance went #3.Count me as being extremely nervous about a QB at 3. Only twice in the last 50 years has the #3 QB been taken at 3, and those were Akili Smith and Trey Lance. No thanks.
That's kind of a very specific data point. #3 being the #3 QB. I think you probably want to look at the overall sample of the first 3 QB's selected in a draft.Count me as being extremely nervous about a QB at 3. Only twice in the last 50 years has the #3 QB been taken at 3, and those were Akili Smith and Trey Lance. No thanks.
Who'd he say Chicago took? I assume Williams being there for DC means he didn't have them trading.For those without access, he has Daniels #2 to Washington, but says it's really close.
Going back a bit further (to a similarly stacked QB class), Roethlisberger was the 3rd QB behind Eli Manning and Rivers. Of course, you have Christian Ponder (12th overall), Josh Freeman (17th overall), Kyle Boller (19th overall) who didn’t work out quite as well.That's kind of a very specific data point. #3 being the #3 QB. I think you probably want to look at the overall sample of the first 3 QB's selected in a draft.
2023: Young, Stroud, Richardson
2022: Pickett, Ridder, Willis
2021: Lawrence, Wilson, Lance
2020: Burrow, Tagovailoa, Herbert
2019: Murray, Jones, Haskins
2018: Mayfield, Darnold, Allen
2017: Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson
2016: Goff, Wentz, Hackenberg
2015: Winston, Marriota, Grayson
Obviously there are plenty of busts in here but generally speaking the best QB's are among the first 3 QB's off the board in their draft class regardless of what the actual number pick it is.
CHicago too Williams... WAS took Jayden Daniels over Drake Maye.Who'd he say Chicago took? I assume Williams being there for DC means he didn't have them trading.
I don't have their High School and PeeWee stats to back me up, so I'm afraid you have caught me in a moment of snarky exaggeration. But I still don't like the comp. And you may very well be right....Maye will develop into a true dual threat who frightens opponents with both arm and legs. The best comp ever for Allen as a running QB might be Bobby Douglas who unfortunately couldn't hit a bull in the ass with a snow shovel and never did develop his throwing as Allen has. But both were powerhouse running backs with Allen having the added advantage of being a rocket-armed thrower (like Douglas) who actually refined his passing (Douglas never did). You are correct in saying that such certainty on my part was a bit of folly. I should have just made my case and left it at that.Last two years of college rushing:
Allen: 142 attempts, 523 yards, 3.7 ypc, 7tds
92 carries, 204 yards, 2.2ypc, 5tds
Maye: 184 carries, 698 yards, 3.8ypc, 8tds
112 carries, 449 yards, 4.0ypc, 9tds.
Drake Maye is a better runner than Josh Allen was at this point in his career. Saying Maye will be a better or even equal runner to Allen in the pros is folly, but claiming he has no chance is also a folly.
I agree with you on this, with the caveat that I’m not enamored of Daniels either. I think the best argument for Maye (in NE) is that he has the size/mobility to survive that o-line. (Seriously, that line is going to get someone killed. Can NE not hire Scar to train a replacement?) The offensive side in NE is so depleted that there’s no way to fix it all in a few picks, so I threw my hat in the “trade down and try build out the offense enough that one of the next three guys can make a go of it”.I think I like him the least.
On the plus side I see the Herbert Comps with size, mobility (though I don;t think his arm is close to Herbert's) but.....
If you told me one of the top 3 was a total bust, I'd pick Maye as most likely. He has a lot of Wentz in him, his instincts seem terrible, he does weird things with his release/arm action that cause inaccuracies...and I really dislike dumb QBs, and he seems really dumb on the field.
To me, Maye has the 2nd highest ceiling probably, but also the lowest floor (reasonable floor, every player's floor is just not NFL quality).
You can understand the fear, the Bears traded up for Trubisky, who turned out to be the tenth best QB of the 2017 class.Am I being unreasonable in thinking so little of Maye because his competition has been so-so at best. Trubiskaphobia?
Kind of where I am at too. It would be great of Daniels also weighed in at 220 or so. Whatever his weight, I worry about his durability, particularly if our line does not improve and he's having to make plays with his feet.I’m praying that Daniels runs a sub 4.5 at the combine and the Commanders reach for him at #2 thinking he’s a more durable version of RG3. Drake Maye is a more complete QB prospect and I’d be psyched if the Pats land him with the third pick. Most of Maye’s issues can be resolved with better coaching and film study. You can’t fix the lack of arm strength with Daniels.
Unreasonable? Maybe. Because when someone dominates in a conference like the SEC, we sometimes downgrade them because of all the weapons.Am I being unreasonable in thinking so little of Maye because his competition inbthe ACC has been so-so at best. Trubiskaphobia?
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t!Unreasonable? Maybe. Because when someone dominates in a conference like the SEC, we sometimes downgrade them because of all the weapons.
I think the thinking is they should be able to solve 2 of those positions with 3 and 35.QB, LT, WR1 — all desperately needed.
Most here seem to think the first round pick should be QB, but what about the other two? Free agent vet vs 2nd round pick (or later).
If we could convert that #3 pick into something like #8 and #20-ish, I’d be tempted in the hopes that you could solve two of those positions.
The FA market at OT is garbage (Tyron Smith consensus #1, most have the two Patriots tackles #2 and #3 if they have Onwenwu at T), WR market isn't great, once the franchise tags hit decent chance Bourne is one of the best guys out there.QB, LT, WR1 — all desperately needed.
Most here seem to think the first round pick should be QB, but what about the other two? Free agent vet vs 2nd round pick (or later).
If we could convert that #3 pick into something like #8 and #20-ish, I’d be tempted in the hopes that you could solve two of those positions.
They're probably not going to be able to solve all those issues in one year. But they have to take the shot to solve QB if they think any of the guys available at 3 has a chance to develop into a top ten guy.QB, LT, WR1 — all desperately needed.
Most here seem to think the first round pick should be QB, but what about the other two? Free agent vet vs 2nd round pick (or later).
If we could convert that #3 pick into something like #8 and #20-ish, I’d be tempted in the hopes that you could solve two of those positions.
I wouldn't necessarily call it unreasonable. I just think it's less of a concern for QB's than virtually any other position. The other side of the equation is they are also playing with inferior talent and inferior coaching as well.Am I being unreasonable in thinking so little of Maye because his competition inbthe ACC has been so-so at best. Trubiskaphobia?
This is a great and interesting post. Thanks for it, I'll think of this often through this draft process.But when you look around the NFL, you see QB's succeed out of non-SEC schools.
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I feel completely differently when it comes to skill guys though. I think the skill position guys in the NFL on both sides of the ball are so, so athletic and talented that they need to have faced a level of competition in college to prepare them for the speed of the NFL game.
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Young QB's, IMO, are almost all, with very few exceptions, projects.