Worth noting... Daniels isn't really a late riser. He rose during the NCAA season, he just wasn't hyped pre-season. Later riser is usually reserved for guys who rise after combines, workouts etc. I don't think anyone thinks of him as not a top 10 lock by the time he played his last game.
The leverage is convincing the Cardinals that the LAC may try to jump to #3 and take MHJ. Of course, the Cardinals could then say "do it. We'll trade #4 to someone that wants a QB and you get no one."
WR has been a glaring need as well and Harrison likely has a lower chance to bust than the QBs. If we draft say, Daniels a little high and he busts, there's a pretty good chance Harrison will be a star somewhere and the pick will look bad. You don't pick based on what will look good or bad but the Pats evaluation better be really good generally and especially if they pick a QB as they failed that test with Mac not long ago.
Totally fair. I guess what I mean is it seems well within the realm of reason that we enter the draft week with Daniels like 6? 7? on teams' boards and/or in popular consensus. In which case it almost definitely makes sense for NE to just take him at 3 imo, but would also be a scenario where it's not preposterous a team really coveting MHJ would want to move up to 3.
If you have him top 10 and have an inkling that even one other team is sniffing around, just take him. Now if you have him more at mid to late first round, but others don't then maybe you deal.
If Caleb/Maye/Daniels busts they can try again next year with another high pick.
I agree, you have to take a shot on that upside if you think a guy is a legit top QB prospect. You can't hold back because he might not pan out.
Agree in general, but it took 3 years to figure out Mac was a bust not 3. What if next QB has same trajectory?
Then they'll still be bad and picking in the top 10. Also, if you use #3 on a QB this year and that QB is shaky in 2024 there's nothing stopping you from trying again in 2025. Hell, they could even do what Washington did by taking RG3 and Cousins in the same draft if they felt like it.
If they draft MHJ and waste 3 years of his tenure faffing about trying to find a QB, they're no better off. Probably worse since WRs tend to have shorter careers. Solve the QB riddle, then build a team around him is the way.
Don’t you need tackles (and guards and a younger center) first so you don’t destroy the QB?
How many playoff games did Joe Thomas play? That's a top 10 guy at his position in NFL history.
One thing to me is... I can't find any history at all recently of a team who did not have their QB and took a WR at the top of the 1st and it worked. Few did it, but 2014 Bills with Watkins... nope, 2012 Jags with Blackmon... nope.
They certainly wouldn't hurt, but if we can get someone who's (in theory) able to move and avoid hits rather than a more stationary Jones/Maye type we might be able to make something happen.
There are a lot of first round QBs on that list...
That's a lot of 1st rounders. Really only Purdy, Dak and Hurts aren't. (I'm not counting Rudolph since the bulk of the Steelers wins were with Pickett).
Yes, it's the chicken and the egg. Or we can draft the tackle, have him protect dreck for 4 years and be in same boat.
8/12 in the first round and I think 11/12 were among the first 5 QB’s selected in their draft year.
4 of the 1st rounders are not with the team that drafted them. 1 that is was gone by the 3rd pick. That is 5/8. Two of the rest are the back half of the 1st round which every team has a shot at. And it’s hard to argue that Watson was a good use of resources by the Cleveland Browns. You can add the 49ers to the list of teams whose Super Bowl odds would go up if they had taken someone other than a 1st round QB. Imagine the 49ers with Chase or Micah Parsons.
Awesome, and the Rams have to Pro Bowl level receivers drafted in the 3rd and 5th rounds. Good thing they didn't waste earlier picks on WRs and got those guys instead.
I don’t disagree. But the truth is they have needs everywhere on offense. Some are pushing the idea that any pick other than a QB is a bad pick when you don’t have one. I wanted to push back against that.
As soon as I read this, Michael Irvin/Troy Aikman immediately came to mind.
Worth noting that 2 of the 4 are not with the team that drafted them because..... they were traded for each other. (also Watson was acquired with 3 first round picks, which was probably a bad trade, but shows how you get QBs).
You still have to get it right. That's kind of the problem - do you trust Bill to spend the pick on the right guy?
I kind of agree but I think that I need someone to sell me on Maye. I don't have the skills to see his talent, the three games of his I watched this year it wasn't like I fell out of the chair salivating over the possibility of getting him.
I’m with you. The good news is that when a Boston team has a top 5 pick, things usually go well.
Arizona taking Larry Fitzgerald when their QB was Josh McCown, instead of Philip Rivers
I've only watched youtube videos and what I see is a college qb throwing to receivers who are open by an average of 12 yards type of highlights. He does seem to have a reasonably strong arm and can run a bit.
I'd much rather they try to fill the WR need with their picks at the top of R2 and R3. MHJ looks like a great prospect, but they can find talent there later down the board. The WR class is strong this year.
All true, but my response was based on his qualifier of "and it worked".
My ideal draft is probably a QB at 3, a OT at the top of the 2nd (though there might not be a viable on left at which point you could pivot to WR) and a WR like Corley, Wilson or Polk in the 3rd (or move up into the 2nd for a Walker/Franklin) I think there is surprising WR depth in the draft.
He won’t have to choose. Of course things may and probably will change by draft day but I expect there will be a consensus top 3 guys and BB will likely pick the one that is left. I expect QBs will go 1,2,3. At most, he’ll have the choice between two. There’s no sure thing with these guys and as long as he doesn’t trade down and grab the QB from Navy we will be happy.
Sure you would think they could find a good receiver without it being the third player picked, maybe if there are different people making those picks it will happen, but the people that have been doing it for the Patriots the last few years have been really bad at evaluating receivers, so here’s one they don’t really have to evaluate.
So obviously I think the delta between the top QBs and the bottom is huge where WR is more about risk than what they could be (and I think recent drafts kind of back that up, 2nd round WRs bust some, but also some of the top WRs in the league went in the 2nd, where QB..... not so much).
He's got an extremely live arm, and he's been timed at 4.60 in the 40 (to put that in context, Mahomes ran a 4.80 at his combine).
I think most draft hype is garbage, but isn't ACC football kind of garbage, too?
this is the first time ive seen drake maye play .......not real impressed.his ball placement is terrible......he never hits a reciever is stride.........his receivers always seem to have 4 or 5 yards separation and his offensive line gives him a lot of time ........he reminds me of mac jones at alabama.......great receivers a killer line .......never hurried or pressured......not sure how he will do with our receivers and nonexistant offensive line
Would be wild to see so many skill positions in first round, leaving a ton of defensive talent available. I think we all need to get ready for many to start talking up Daniels as the #1 pick, so I doubt he’s available at #3. So it’s likely Maye and hopefully Egbuka or Mitchell. If not, maybe trade back and see if you could get a top WR, OT, and one of Ewers or McCarthy.
No offense BBJ, but this is completely useless given we don't know who the coach or the GM are at the moment.
