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Nets down by 20 in 4th. Assuming they don't mount huge comeback, they're going to be under .500.
Down by 28 with two minutes to go. It seems like the one who jilted people here had a poor showing too. I harbor no ill will towards Irving though its undeniable that he is a difficult personality. However I will be very surprised if they don't start winning more games soon. Its still very, very early in the season.
 

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In PDX, Portland leads ATL 105-102 with ~ 30 seconds to go and does a good job d-ing up a struggling to shoot (but not score) Trae Young. Yet they cannot secure a rebound off a Jabari Parker miss and Kevin Huerter nails a three to tie with 27.2 seconds left.

Edit: After Dame drives in for a sick layup - he cut through the Hawks entire D to score - Huerter hits a layup. 107 all with 0.7 seconds left. Blazers fans have suffered a lot this early NBA season...will they ever get a break?

Edit 2: Ant Simons, who has had a good night with 20 points (8-12), misses a three at the end.

We are on to overtime.
 
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Watching Toronto-Lakers, and several times this game Anthony Davis has made a play and immediately grabbed his right shoulder. Came with a lot more wincing and discomfort the last time a few minutes ago. Something to monitor.
 

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And Portland's long regional night mare is over. They will get their first win at home, their first win in five tries and rumors of their demise may be way too premature. Dame, CJ, Simons, Whiteside and Bazemore all had very good games.
 

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Damn Masai is good at finding and developing talent. He may be the best in the league at it. Pascal Siakam is really, really good at basketball. He didn't even have a good shooting night but he was still amazing, especially on defense.
 

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Damn Masai is good at finding and developing talent. He may be the best in the league at it. Pascal Siakam is really, really good at basketball. He didn't even have a good shooting night but he was still amazing, especially on defense.
Masai (and Toronto as a franchise) have a real knack for finding role players that can really contribute. They always find guys like Rondae Hollis-Jefferson who play really hard and know their role. RHJ is an interesting story; he came into the league as a raw athlete with the idea being he would develop into a wing. While he never quite developed the skills necessary to play as a wing, through his knowledge and length, he became an undersized post defender and a small-ball center.

I'm surprised Boucher didn't stick around with the Warriors. He seemed like their kind of reserve player with his length and versatility at the 5.
 

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Can someone remind me why Baynes was traded? Did they really need to cut his salary to sign Kemba?
Yeah, the unfortunate thing is that if he had been a free-agent, as opposed to opted in, they could have just renounced his rights, and then signed him with the room exception that was later used for Kanter. But with him under contract, the only way to clear room was to trade him, which precludes him from being traded back for unless/until he goes to a 3rd team.

All that, along with Stevens' comments post-trade, indicate to me that Kemba's availability was a very sudden development that took the organization by surprise. I think almost everyone, Kemba included, was expecting Charlotte to offer him the supermax (given that they idiotically hadn't traded him at the deadline or prior). Bad franchises gonna bad franchise...
 

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Wiggins is no great shakes, either, but at least he's a long 6-7 and at 24 could maybe molded into something a bit better than he is. Small sample, but his numbers this season are significantly up across the board.
He's arguably been aveage/slightly above average. His assist % is at 15.9% atm, his career it's 10.0%. All his other rate stats are basically the same or the sample sizes are too small this early on (blk%, stl%). He's been blocking a ton of shots in the early going too though.

His shot selection has drastically changed as well.

Percentage of Shots between 10-23 ft
14-15: 38.7%
15-16: 37.5%
16-17: 39.2%
17-18: 33.2%
18-19: 30.3%
19-20 19.8%.
 

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He's arguably been aveage/slightly above average. His assist % is at 15.9% atm, his career it's 10.0%. All his other rate stats are basically the same or the sample sizes are too small this early on (blk%, stl%). He's been blocking a ton of shots in the early going too though.

His shot selection has drastically changed as well.

Percentage of Shots between 10-23 ft
14-15: 38.7%
15-16: 37.5%
16-17: 39.2%
17-18: 33.2%
18-19: 30.3%
19-20 19.8%.
Often these shot selection changes are effects, not causes. I had mostly ignored Wiggins/written him off, but I went and watched some of his recent highlights, and his handle is a lot better and a big reason he's getting to the basket more. It's similar to what we've seen with Jaylen this year.

Would be a big development for Minnesota, although there's still the whole "playing defense" thing.
 

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I thought the rumor was that Kemba would have declined the supermax even if offered, such that both sides could save face by agreeing to move on. I mean he had someone write some nice things in the Players Tribune, the whole deal.
 

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I thought the rumor was that Kemba would have declined the supermax even if offered, such that both sides could save face by agreeing to move on. I mean he had someone write some nice things in the Players Tribune, the whole deal.
I've never heard that he was going to decline. Everything I've read or heard was that he wanted to stay and was blindsided by the offer. Even in the lead-up to the game there the other day there were quotes saying he didn't really want to leave, that he had always assumed they were going to offer the max.
 

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Masai (and Toronto as a franchise) have a real knack for finding role players that can really contribute. They always find guys like Rondae Hollis-Jefferson who play really hard and know their role. RHJ is an interesting story; he came into the league as a raw athlete with the idea being he would develop into a wing. While he never quite developed the skills necessary to play as a wing, through his knowledge and length, he became an undersized post defender and a small-ball center.

I'm surprised Boucher didn't stick around with the Warriors. He seemed like their kind of reserve player with his length and versatility at the 5.
Twitter was alight last night with the list of players whom the Raptors have unearthed who were undrafted including VanVleet, Boucher and Terrence Davis and that list doesn't include Alfonzo McKinnnie who got run (admittedly mostly because of injuries) in last year's playoffs/finals. Furthermore, it doesn't count guys like Norman Powell or OG Anunoby who were acquired or drafted relatively low. The Raptors are simply elite at talent evaluation.
 

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the dog whistle shot at Baynes was loud and clear on that analogy :rolleyes:
No it wasn't. Stop with this.

If I offended anyone with that post - and I clearly did - I apologize but it didn't even occur to me that a using a famous, brutal movie scene to describe a blow-out (and I am not the first to reference that movie in this sort of context) would trigger anyone.

As a side note, why do you feel the need to pile-on in this forum? Why don't you stick to emojis and "me-too" posts?
 
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Anyone watch any Orlando games? What did you come away thinking of Jonathan Isaac? He's something to watch on defense and his offensive game is coming along nicely though he's still pretty raw.

It's only 10 games, but he has the 10th best DBPM of all time at the moment. The only players who have ever finished with a higher DBPM of 6.13 are Ben Wallace (5 times), Marcus Camby (twice), Manute Bol and David Robinson. That's some pretty good company.

I've watched a few games to see Fultz play but Isaac has been a beast.
 

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No it wasn't. Stop with this.

If I offended anyone with that post - and I clearly did - I apologize but it didn't even occur to me that a using a famous, brutal movie scene to describe a blow-out (and I am not the first to reference that movie in this sort of context) would trigger anyone.

As a side note, why do you feel the need to pile-on in this forum? Why don't you stick to emojis and "me-too" posts?
Instead of attacking me now maybe you should consider that using an offensive neo-Nazi character as an analogy for Aron Baynes (especially with his appearance) might not be appreciated.
 

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Instead of attacking me now maybe you should consider that using an offensive neo-Nazi character as an analogy for Aron Baynes (especially with his appearance) might not be appreciated.
Explain to me your exact logic as to how I did that.

Where did I mention Baynes appearance exactly? And Dev addressed that it bothered him which is fine but you feel compelled to pile on and somehow take it even further - really to a ridiculous extent imho. But I will listen to you if you can explain why what I posted compared Baynes appearance to Nazis rather than describing one team blowing out another.

Finally, FYI, I had family members and friends who suffered at the hands of the Nazis so please tread lightly in your accusations.
 

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Explain to me your exact logic as to how I did that.

Where did I mention Baynes appearance exactly? And Dev addressed that it bothered him which is fine but you feel compelled to pile on and somehow take it even further - really to a ridiculous extent imho. But I will listen to you if you can explain why what I posted compared Baynes appearance to Nazis rather than describing one team blowing out another.

Finally, FYI, I had family members and friends who suffered at the hands of the Nazis so please tread lightly in your accusations.
if you want to PM me on this feel free

but this thread doesn't need this garbage
 

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Andrew Wiggins' last 4 games:

30 PTS | 6 ASTS | 2 STLS
40 PTS | 5 REBS | 7 ASTS
25 PTS | 4 REBS | 5 ASTS
33 PTS | 6 REBS | 5 ASTS

Breakout year?
Its interesting - he is taking way more shots per game (20.8 vs a career average of just over 16) to start the season than in previous years and it looks like he is taking it to the rim & making it more than in previous years . He is also hitting his FTs at a bit of a better rate than the past two seasons so his TS% is up but his 3P% is down on increased 3PA as well. His rebounds per game are roughly in line with his career averages while he is logging almost one more assist per game. His defense remains pretty poor thus far.

Its still very early and he has time to regress. However, its not beyond the pale that he is improving a touch at age 24. I think the TWolves will take more efficient production out of Wiggins now but I also suspect that as the season goes on, advanced analytics may show that he isn't really turning as much of a corner as it seems.
 

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Anyone watch any Orlando games? What did you come away thinking of Jonathan Isaac? He's something to watch on defense and his offensive game is coming along nicely though he's still pretty raw.

It's only 10 games, but he has the 10th best DBPM of all time at the moment. The only players who have ever finished with a higher DBPM of 6.13 are Ben Wallace (5 times), Marcus Camby (twice), Manute Bol and David Robinson. That's some pretty good company.

I've watched a few games to see Fultz play but Isaac has been a beast.
TimeLord was at 9.1 coming into tonight. Of course he's probably immortal.

Like you said, it's only 10 games.
 

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The Raps at Clippers game is pretty good. LAC up by five with 5:32 to go. The story of this game is a tired Raptors team (second half of a LA B2B) gutting it out and making anyone but Leonard beat them. It was working until a few minutes ago.

In other late game news, one guess which player just got the first ejection ever at the Chase Center...

Edit: Clips dig this one out 98-88. Chris Boucher may be another Masai find though...

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Its interesting - he is taking way more shots per game (20.8 vs a career average of just over 16) to start the season than in previous years and it looks like he is taking it to the rim & making it more than in previous years . He is also hitting his FTs at a bit of a better rate than the past two seasons so his TS% is up but his 3P% is down on increased 3PA as well. His rebounds per game are roughly in line with his career averages while he is logging almost one more assist per game. His defense remains pretty poor thus far.

Its still very early and he has time to regress. However, its not beyond the pale that he is improving a touch at age 24. I think the TWolves will take more efficient production out of Wiggins now but I also suspect that as the season goes on, advanced analytics may show that he isn't really turning as much of a corner as it seems.
I forget which thread I mentioned it in, but when I've watched him this year, his handle has improved a lot. That's by far the most important factor in an explosive wing taking a step forward, so I wouldn't be shocked if this is real. The amount he's getting to the rim also indicates that he's made some real skill improvements: NBA defenders do their damnedest to not let exactly that happen.

The big issue for Wiggins is that even if he can put it together offensively, he's still a defensive disaster. Who knows though--maybe seeing improvement on one end will encourage him to work on the other.
 

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Pacers look like they will go 7-1 since Myles Turner has gone down with an injury. A Sabonis/Turner combo struggles in the modern NBA. Wouldn't be shocked if they moved Turner, he could land a decent haul.

also, Evansville, coached by Walter McCarty, just beat #1 ranked Kentucky in Lexington
 

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Cavs beating 76ers by 1 point with 22 seconds left. Unfortunately Cavs seem committed to blowing this.
 

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And yup ... they lose by 1 after leading by 5 with a little over 2 minutes to play.
 

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And yup ... they lose by 1 after leading by 5 with a little over 2 minutes to play.
Love misses an open three in last few seconds.

Harris was 0-11 from three-point land. Horford a DNP. Also, Horford's sister spotted wearing a Celtics hoodie and catching grief on twitter for it.
 

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Love got a great look with a wide open three, then helpfully took himself out of the play by backpedaling to mid court. The shot hit the back rim and went right back to where he initially took the shot. The clock expired as the [other] players fought for possession.

On an unrelated note, Kevin love has missed the playoffs in all nine of his non Lebron seasons.
 

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Nets put up 68pts on the Jazz in the first half, up 15.

With Conley and Dono on the floor, the Jazz had Joe Ingles cover Kyrie. Quin must have the over
 

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LP night in America. Three games are coming down to the wire in the fourth. Lakers at Suns (LAL 109-108 with ~5 mins left), Hawks @ Nuggets (Hawks 107-101 with ~6:20 left) and Nets @ Jazz (Jazz 99, Nets 98 with ~ 8:20 left). This is when your account pays for itself...

Trae Young this evening: 42 points on 13-21 shooting (8-13 from Ice Traeland) and 11 dimes. He is damn good.

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Also, I’m pretty sure Kyrie just missed his last 47 shots in Utah. #leadership
He just missed a three with ~ 14 seconds left that would have given the Nets the lead. He didn't have to take that quick of a shot and Rudy Gobert was able to close out on his shot at the last second without falling and got enough hand in Irving's airspace such that it likely affected it. Jazz win 119-114 coming back from down 15 and outscore BKNY by 9-2 in the last few minutes to seal the win.
 

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He just missed a three with ~ 14 seconds left that would have given the Nets the lead. He didn't have to take that quick of a shot and Rudy Gobert was able to close out on his shot at the last second without falling and got enough hand in Irving's airspace such that it likely affected it. Jazz win 119-114 coming back from down 15 and outscore BKNY by 9-2 in the last few minutes to seal the win.
He nearly fell down, maintained his dribble. Pulls up from three with about 8 seconds left and hits the front of the rim.

2-12 from 3 tonight, 10-30 overall.
 

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This is just filthy. It's hard to say if the shooting or the passing is more impressive. He already might be the best passer in the league, but to go 8/13 from three from where he is pulling from...damn. Also, after wandering around Chicago and Washington last season, Jabari Parker must think he has died and gone to heaven playing with Ice Trae. Filling in for John Collins, he is averaging 17 ppg on 56 percent shooting. He can still catch Andrew Wiggins in the "Wiggins or Parker?" debate. It's not too late!

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